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Farbio
03-05-2009, 01:15 AM
Web guy says he is finished. I want to get some opinions before I give him final payment. Give me the good and bad. Thanks

http://www.spokanegreenscape.com

Ric3077
03-05-2009, 01:29 AM
Looks sharp...they did a good job!

lawnjox
03-05-2009, 08:10 AM
Web guy says he is finished. I want to get some opinions before I give him final payment. Give me the good and bad. Thanks

http://www.spokanegreenscape.com

looks great

greenbaylawns
03-05-2009, 09:14 AM
Looks very professional. I like how your not afraid to show your customers prices of what things start at.

albhb3
03-19-2009, 12:53 PM
I like the snow flakes on the snow and ice removal page

TJLANDS
03-20-2009, 10:23 PM
Nice site, for me its a little 'busy" buts thats just me.

Expensive?

Team-Green L&L
03-21-2009, 12:11 PM
Wow, I must say that a well developed site is refreshing. Did you build that in Joomla?

Farbio
03-21-2009, 11:53 PM
Thanks for the input guys. After working with the guy who built the website I was very impressed with his knowledge and affordable price. I paid $750 for everything and I get free hosting for a year. The funny thing is I found the guy on craigslist:laugh:

WebMan
03-22-2009, 11:59 AM
Not bad for $499 w/ a year's hosting IF the hosting is good. SEO was "basic" at best.
He did use a free "do it yourself' program but if you don't know how to do it yourself it's well worth paying someone. Did he include teaching you how to make changes & maintain it from now on?
I have a hosting customer who had a similar site done with the same program, he had no time to learn to build it so he hired a pro and now he can just change it or tinker with it whenever he wants. His deal included "training" on how to modify text & pages & stuff after the original was done.
With that common CMS program it's pretty easy.

I would suggest moving to a regular host next year when your contract is up. He has a reseller account with another company and it's just always better to deal straight with the people who have the servers.
Let us know what he charges for hosting...I would bet that's where he makes his real income -- from reseller accounts ( a reseller sets up with an actual host for anywhere from $15 to $30 per month-then sells as much hosting to others as he can fit on his "plan") So if he has 20 people paying $10 he makes $170-$185 w/no overhead if he has 30 or 40 --well you can do the math; but the servers are usually over-crowded & support is 2nd hand, the reseller company he uses is one known for "crowded" servers)

Farbio
03-22-2009, 04:26 PM
Yes, I did hire due to not having time or the knowledge to build my own website.

The guy did give me some free training on how to change things on the website. He also seems very accessible for answering any questions. I can send him an email and always get a answer to my question within a day.

Can you enlighten me on why it matters who hosts my website? Why would I need any customer service from them? I am ignorant on this subject so bear with me. Thanks for the info.

jblawns123
03-22-2009, 08:44 PM
Wow I think its an awesome site..... I would fix the cut off "p" in reputation on the top of the screen though

WebMan
03-22-2009, 10:12 PM
It's a LONG explanation so I'll try to make it short.

A "host" has their own servers. They sell plans to people like you to host the web site.

Many sell "reseller plans" too. (This is what your "host" has)
This is where someone gets a plan that looks just like they own the server except to someone who knows how to check and they sell plans on the server so they look like a "host"

The problem comes with overselling. That is a HUGE subject that tales a whole page... I could post a link but it's on a site I'm affiliated with and they would probably get mad here so this is how it works in a basic version...

98% of the people who buy a "plan" like XGB disk space and YGB bandwidth never actually use that amount. Most people only use a fraction; that leaves the host room to offer "resellers" & such.
So you can have a server that if everyone was using everything "promised" in their hosting plans the server would only hold 5 or 10 people (if they offer big numbers) and if they did in reality the server gets overloaded & crashes.

In reality a good-fast web server can handle an average of around 200+ or - accounts "comfortably". 300 + if it's really high powered.
But just like your car will go faster than 55 a server will go to "capacity" and between the host & the resellers I have seen people with 1,200 accounts or more on 1 server... most won't go over around 800 customers but some do. Because the host sells X then each reseller sells whatever they can so there is really no limit on the number of sites on it until the main "host" says "enough" and goes to the next server.

But just like if you ran your car "floor-boarded" all the time; on a "loaded" server things get hotter & wear faster and with 1,000 people with visitors trying to get to sites on the hard disks at the same time things get crowded & slow. Just like this site has been crawling today and I'm sure they have their own personal server just for this site. Maybe they need an upgrade or are having temporary problems, (they are usually fast).

Anyway the result for you is your "host" being a reseller-he has no way of controlling what's going on with the servers... whether the company & resellers have 300-500-1,000 or 1,500 sites on a server so he's just a "middleman" and you are out there hoping all these people do the right thing and don't overload their systems etc. BUT if they do, "your" host has no control over servers, backups, support, etc. and this is your business we are talking about.

A business host will not oversell by promising huge plans they hope nobody will ever use and then "cramming" servers. You will see fast response and they will have a link where you can see the performance of the server you are on any time as well as it's historical "uptime".
If you are dealing directly with a host that does business sites you will get daily backups (remember you have e-mail plus the changes you many make in the site) plus access to the people who actually operate the server you are on. Generally much more dependable service and fast response for your web site anytime. Plus things like good spam & AV blocking for your e-mail & such.

Your site came up pretty good for me--no problems. But after your contract is up if he is $10 a month or more I'd look for a good "business grade" host.
There is nothing wrong with a reseller like yours as long as everything goes OK "upstream".

Your guy may be the best in the world--
It's when loads get high because of some other reseller on the same server is selling porno accounts or hosting gambling (high traffic) or worse-spammers on his reseller account. And the more the main "host" allows the greater the odds.

They will cost around $10 -$9.95 (the $2.95 or $5 a month people are usually the ones "cramming" or they are using 5 year old Celeron servers that can be had for $50 a month.)
Anyway, when it's your teen-ager's "blog" go cheap.

When t's your business look for a business-related host.

Farbio
03-22-2009, 11:51 PM
Thanks WebMan! Your posts are very informative and helpful.

goog
04-02-2009, 06:27 AM
Posted in the wrong thread, site looks good though

Team-Green L&L
04-03-2009, 06:27 PM
Yes, I did hire due to not having time or the knowledge to build my own website.

The guy did give me some free training on how to change things on the website. He also seems very accessible for answering any questions. I can send him an email and always get a answer to my question within a day.

Can you enlighten me on why it matters who hosts my website? Why would I need any customer service from them? I am ignorant on this subject so bear with me. Thanks for the info.

First and foremost Webman's comment was that $499 was a good deal and it would be. $750 is about right. You made a good purchasing decision IMO. As far as web hosting is concerned. There are an abundance of hosting providers out there from 1 man and a small server all the way to Network Solutions and GoDaddy, who have thousands of servers. It is important to consider some factors when choosing a hosting provider:

1. How much information will I be storing on the site(s). I have been using a 15 GB plan for years without the need yo upgrade, but I am now getting an in-house, due to my needs and will be offering hosting when it is set up. I also host over 50 sites on my shared hosting plan, so I think that will be all you would need.

2. Customer Service is the #1 issue with hosting, mostly because of the ease of offering the service to the public. "Joe has a server and a site offering hosting, but Joe has a day job and your site is down for 20 hours while Joe is working and finally gets it up." During that time the Biggest Home Builder in your area tried to access your site because their niece had you do a landscaping project and you never got the deal. OUCH! In our business, one missed call can cost us thousands and we all have been there.

3. Network Security is an issue that is always of high priority and does not need explanation. Security is not to be compromised at any cost.

4. Uptime i important. How often does the server have maintenance or other issues. Remember that "one missed call..." analogy?

5. Where is the server located. I wouldn't want anything hosted outside the US IMO for various reasons, but mostly cyber crime.

6. Admin panel. How much control do you have over your files, data, ready-to-use scripts, etc. I like using cPanel providers myself. cPanel allows for the most options and includes Fantastico, which will install scripts like Joomla, Wordpress, Zen Cart, and more for free and automatically. What a plus for development options.

IMO, the best "bang for your buck" is with www.AptHost.com. I think they have what's right for you at $2.99 a month which is almost unbelievable. I have used them for years and they have never disappointed me in Customer Service, Video Hosting, Script Installation, or Communications. I have experienced a bit more downtime than I did with GoDaddy though, but GD's Customer Service SUCKS!!!!

Turboguy
04-04-2009, 05:23 AM
I am curious when you say GoDaddy customer service sucks if you used the online part of their service or the phone service?

The first few times I had problems I filed an online service request and yes, it wasn't anything they would want to brag about. On average I got a response in about 24-30 hours, usually with the correct answer and step by step instructions that answered my question. Sometimes it was back and forth and the final resolution could take 72 hours.

Over the last three days I have had to contact them three times and used the phone service. It was excellent. My wait time was 3-5 minutes. All three service tech's were very helpful, easy to understand, personable, patient, knowledgable and went beyond the call of duty to step me through things and to ask if there were any other questions or problems while I was on with them. I would rate their phone support among the best I have ever experienced.

Team-Green L&L
04-04-2009, 12:24 PM
I would rate their phone support among the best I have ever experienced.

Don't take this the wrong way because all reason says that this statement is true: You probably don't have much experience in Hosting Companies in order to make a fair comparison.

GoDaddy will up-sell you at every turn. They will automatically select features on the site that charge, they will attempt to get you to sign up for unrequested years of hosting to secure their market.

They will hold your domain registration to prevent you from transferring it, they will snipe purchase a domain that is in your shopping cart if it is of value in the Aftermarket.

And this is just the beginning...

Their pricing is fair at best, they have no FFmeg abilities for video streaming, they offer no Script installation, no Live Chat, only 60% US-based servers, and I can still go on and on and on...

Turboguy
04-04-2009, 02:30 PM
Don't take this the wrong way because all reason says that this statement is true: You probably don't have much experience in Hosting Companies in order to make a fair comparison.



I am using somewhere between 6 & 8 different hosting companies at the minute. I will admit that I have not had to use the customer support at many of the ones I use. I can only recall using it at HostRocket and MonteCarlo. One of my projects for this month is to get rid of a lot of the hosting companies and mostly end up with MonteCarlo and GoDaddy. We expect to end up hosting about 50 sites on GoDaddy.

I would never say you are wrong but personally I have not had any of the problems you talk about. Usually if I check a domain name and it is available I don't wait to snatch it so perhaps if I did I would experience the problem you talk about. As far as domains go I love GoDaddy and have 3 or 4 domains with Network Solutions who I totally dislike. I would take GoDaddy any day.

Team-Green L&L
04-04-2009, 10:47 PM
As far as domains go I love GoDaddy and have 3 or 4 domains with Network Solutions who I totally dislike. I would take GoDaddy any day.

I agree with you here. I have 145 domains registered with GoDaddy and have very complaints about their registration, except the before-mentioned. I am a Domainer on the side. You can see some of my domains at www.PipeDreamDomains.com, but anyways. The point is that my domaining activities and SEO business move at light-speed and I tend to experience more issues than most by "just moving" I am sure.

Turboguy
04-05-2009, 05:24 AM
Yes you do have a lot more experience with domains than most. A few of your domains made me laugh a bit. Mostly starting with a P, like the P???4profit one.

I only have about 30 with GoDaddy and about 5 elsewhere. I can't really say I bought any with the idea of reselling but but did snag a few that I either thought I might have some use for in the future or might at some day resell. I see also you have taken a flier on some with the not so popular endings. I didn't do any with .tv but one I grabbed just in case the funky endings have some value some day is lawns.ws