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FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 08:16 AM
Finishing up Cadillac Desert. Gets to be a tough read after awhile but I'm determined to finish it. Somehow I totally missed the Teton Dam collapse in 1976. Maybe I was still hungover from High School graduation. Best video I could find was this one:

http://videos.idahostatesman.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1780703&genre_id=2730

Anybody got a good real video or unbelievable pic? I watched the MODERN MARVELS version.

AI Inc
03-07-2009, 08:42 AM
Wow , it collapsed while being filled huh? Pretty wild.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 08:46 AM
Wow , it collapsed while being filled huh? Pretty wild.

The untold story is how lucky they got. If it happens at night thousands get killed plus they avoided the domino effect of downstream dams collapsing due to the water inrush.

AI Inc
03-07-2009, 08:48 AM
So what makes Caddilac desert a tough read , boring?

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 08:53 AM
So what makes Caddilac desert a tough read , boring?

Lots of names and detail on water projects. Politics of water projects. CA water projects. AZ water projects. No sex...:cry:

I'm enjoying it though. Real eye opener and lays the flavor of where I'm heading.

Wet_Boots
03-07-2009, 08:56 AM
No sex? ::removes it from library list::

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 08:57 AM
Cool footage. Any idea why it collapsed? Unlicensed contractors? :laugh: Poor engineering?

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 09:01 AM
Cool footage. Any idea why it collapsed? Unlicensed contractors? :laugh: Poor engineering?

Two words: Government Project

Seriously it was arrogance. Years of successful DAM building made the CORP think they were unable to ever have a disaster. They overlooked structural issues, poor foundation, filled too fast, ignored warning data. That chapter alone is worth reading.

Wet_Boots
03-07-2009, 09:06 AM
Bad natural foundation for the Teton dam - never should have been a dam erected there.

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 09:07 AM
Two words: Government Project

Seriously it was arrogance. Years of successful DAM building made the CORP think they were unable to ever have a disaster. They overlooked structural issues, poor foundation, filled too fast, ignored warning data. That chapter alone is worth reading.

Did they have inspectors overlooking things? Or nothing inspected at all?

I took a mini tour of the Hoover damn years ago. Pretty cool how it was built. Not that I advocate all damming, but the project was incredible.

AI Inc
03-07-2009, 09:09 AM
You guys need them out there, Around here they are starting to take them down.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 09:09 AM
Did they have inspectors overlooking things? Or nothing inspected at all?

I took a mini tour of the Hoover damn years ago. Pretty cool how it was built. Not that I advocate all damming, but the project was incredible.

They had inspectors but warnings were overlooked or understated. Really is similar to our economic meltdown and I mean that in a non political way.

LindblomRJ
03-07-2009, 09:27 AM
Two words: Government Project

Seriously it was arrogance. Years of successful DAM building made the CORP think they were unable to ever have a disaster. They overlooked structural issues, poor foundation, filled too fast, ignored warning data. That chapter alone is worth reading.

It was not a Army CORP of engineers dam it was a Bureau of Reclamation project.

The type of rock was fissured anlong with the soil type was quite permeable thefore allowing seepage.

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 09:32 AM
Peter - since you are moving to the area, and are a water guy, do you know of the Big Thompson Flood of '76 (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4112461)? Lots to read online about it. This was just the first one I found for ya.

hoskm01
03-07-2009, 09:38 AM
Peter - since you are moving to the area, and are a water guy, do you know of the Big Thompson Flood of '76 (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4112461)? Lots to read online about it. This was just the first one I found for ya.
Ive heard all about that big boy, having the river in the backyard these days. Something sick like 12" of rain in 2 hours or so. Unfathomable.

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 09:40 AM
Ive heard all about that big boy, having the river in the backyard these days. Something sick like 12" of rain in 2 hours or so. Unfathomable.

That was the first thing I thought of when you said that was the Big T out the back window at your place. IRONICALLY - it was the same year as the Teton Dam collapse.

AI Inc
03-07-2009, 09:41 AM
Speaking of disasters , ever see footage of the Tacoma narrows bridge failure?

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 09:48 AM
It was not a Army CORP of engineers dam it was a Bureau of Reclamation project.

The type of rock was fissured anlong with the soil type was quite permeable thefore allowing seepage.

OOOPS sorry. One thing I've learned from reading D. C. is that Bureau vs. Corp is like Army vs Navy.

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 09:51 AM
Speaking of disasters , ever see footage of the Tacoma narrows bridge failure?

I have not. I enjoy reading about natural disasters. Not that the dam and probably your bridge failure are natural. But movies and tv shows about floods, blizzards, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. really intrigue me. There is an exhibit at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science that I am going to see soon, called Nature Unleashed - Inside Natural Disasters (http://dmns.org/natureunleashed/).

My career of choice would be in the weather or baseball industry. I'd love to report on or take video of some of the worst weather there is. Getting into the heart of a hurricane or blizzard. Chasing tornadoes. Oh yeah.

AI Inc
03-07-2009, 09:57 AM
heres a pic

AI Inc
03-07-2009, 09:58 AM
and a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 10:01 AM
Peter - since you are moving to the area, and are a water guy, do you know of the Big Thompson Flood of '76 (http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4112461)? Lots to read online about it. This was just the first one I found for ya.

Okay I got it mapped. South of where I'm going. Supposedly a big flood went down the canyon I'm at in 97? Frankly I think wildfires are a bigger issue. All those dead pines from the beetles are a powder keg waiting to happen.

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 10:05 AM
and a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs

I was just going to post that clip. Very interesting video. The guy walking the bridge was a brave dude.

DanaMac
03-07-2009, 10:08 AM
Okay I got it mapped. South of where I'm going. Supposedly a big flood went down the canyon I'm at in 97? Frankly I think wildfires are a bigger issue. All those dead pines from the beetles are a powder keg waiting to happen.

Yes the fires are a bigger threat. But the enjoyment of living within the trees outweighs the risk in my opinion. That's why I moved where I'm at.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-07-2009, 10:08 AM
and a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs

Sheeesh...did you see all the crazy airplane landing videos that brought up?

Mike Leary
03-07-2009, 10:57 AM
"Galloping Gertie" was just down the road from where I grew up, there are now two bridges across the Tacoma Narrows, one just finished last year. What most people don't know is the insurance agent figured the first bridge was safe and kept the money for the policy.....oops.

LindblomRJ
03-08-2009, 08:49 AM
OOOPS sorry. One thing I've learned from reading D. C. is that Bureau vs. Corp is like Army vs Navy.

Yup. That accurate. I live right below Lake Oahe... The largest earth filled dam in North America. It backs up water well into North Dakota.

Corp runs that dam. No real qualms about living below it.