Misquito Barrier

[Smallaxe]

Has any one tried using this garlic based product.
Supposed to be safe, non-odorous and effective.

http://www.mosquitobarrier.com/

The Synthetic folks are gearing up for this in my area and I want to keep them off some of my mowing jobs.

[Smallaxe]

I couldn't 'edit' the title to read: Mosquito Barrier.

Now I am forever an ignorant fool who can't spell Miss Kiyto. :)

[ICT Bill]

It is very effective and lasts 3 to 5 weeks as a repellent
You cannot claim "pesticide" or "control" though, you can say mosquito management, I believe.
This is one of those areas where it is REALLY better to be safe than sorry, you do not want the pesticide police at your place giving out tickets. be careful what you claim

It literally jams the signal that misquitos use to see. You can make it your self if you want, its not a big secret Garlic is garlic

We use garlic in our essential 1 mix.

Caution: it does attract ITALIANS

For standing water they also have the mosquito dunks which contains Bt (Israelensis) the larvae never mature into adults

[Smallaxe]

Thanks for the recommendation, Bill.

[phasthound]

Has any one tried using this garlic based product.
Supposed to be safe, non-odorous and effective.

http://www.mosquitobarrier.com/

The Synthetic folks are gearing up for this in my area and I want to keep them off some of my mowing jobs.

I've been using it for 3 years, on my own property first, then on client's. It works well.

But you'd expect me to say that since we sell it. :)
A case of 4 one gallon jugs is $190.00 plus shipping. One gallon mixes with 100 gals of water and treats 5 acres.

[JDUtah]

I wonder if mixing a little 'garlic meal' to your OM fert just before applying would have similar effects.

[NattyLawn]

I wouldn't classify this product as not having an odor, although it dissipates in a few hours.

[humble1]

It is very effective and lasts 3 to 5 weeks as a repellent
You cannot claim "pesticide" or "control" though, you can say mosquito management, I believe.
This is one of those areas where it is REALLY better to be safe than sorry, you do not want the pesticide police at your place giving out tickets. be careful what you claim

It literally jams the signal that misquitos use to see. You can make it your self if you want, its not a big secret Garlic is garlic

We use garlic in our essential 1 mix.

Caution: it does attract ITALIANS

For standing water they also have the mosquito dunks which contains Bt (Israelensis) the larvae never mature into adults

Anything that kills, controls, mitigates or repels falls under being considered a pesticide. In NH for example, they will come down on someone putting cornmeal down, or using garlic as a mosquito control product. Some states might not be as difficult , i would call if you are going to use it, fines are high.

[Smallaxe]

Anything that kills, controls, mitigates or repels falls under being considered a pesticide. In NH for example, they will come down on someone putting cornmeal down, or using garlic as a mosquito control product. Some states might not be as difficult , i would call if you are going to use it, fines are high.

We have the pesticide liscence so it is not an issue. Won't use in water or buildings. I feel sorry for you guys in NE states as far as gov't is concerned. Looks like we will all be that way soon.

Barry, I will check it out, thanks.

[phasthound]

Anything that kills, controls, mitigates or repels falls under being considered a pesticide. In NH for example, they will come down on someone putting cornmeal down, or using garlic as a mosquito control product. Some states might not be as difficult , i would call if you are going to use it, fines are high.

The EPA has exempted several low risk products from pesticide registration. The following link specifically mentions proper wording for mosquito control by exempted products.

http://www.epa.gov/PR_Notices/pr2000-6.pdf

[phasthound]

From NJ School IPM manual:

"Minimum risk" pesticides. The following lists "active" ingredients (the ingredient with the pesticide value) that are exempt from EPA regulation assuming the product meets certain conditions. If these ingredients are in a product that is properly labeled with all ingredients (both active and "inert"), does not claim to control disease-carrying pests, and does not make false or misleading claims, they are considered "minimum risk" and thus able to be used as a low impact pesticide under the law.

Castor oil (U.S.P. or equivalent)
Cedar oil
Cinnamon and cinnamon oil
Citric acid
Citronella and citronella oil
Cloves and clove oil
Corn gluten meal
Corn oil
Cottonseed oil
Dried blood
Eugenol
Garlic and garlic oil
Geraniol
Geranium oil
Lauryl sulfate
Lemongrass oil
Linseed oil
Malic acid
Mint and mint oil
Peppermint and peppermint oil
2-Phenethyl propionate (2-phenylethyl propionate)
Potassium sorbate
Putrescent whole egg solids
Rosemary and rosemary oil
Sesame (includes ground sesame plant) and sesame oil
Sodium chloride (common salt)
Sodium lauryl sulfate
Soybean oil
Thyme and thyme oil
White pepper
Zinc metal strips (consisting solely of zinc metal and impurities)

These active ingredients listed above may be combined with any of a number of "inert" ingredients from a list published by EPA. This list of minimum risk inert ingredients is known as List "4A". The up-to-date 4A list can be obtained from EPA's website.

[Tim Wilson]

Just a reminder that mosquitos only hatch out in standing water and that BT (Vectobac) in powder form is highly effective for mosquito control. > bacterial spores which the larvae (wrigglers) eat and die. We have used this on our farm for over twenty years with an 80% reduction in mosquitos.

[treegal1]

From NJ School IPM manual:

"Minimum risk" pesticides. The following lists "active" ingredients (the ingredient with the pesticide value) that are exempt from EPA regulation assuming the product meets certain conditions. If these ingredients are in a product that is properly labeled with all ingredients (both active and "inert"), does not claim to control disease-carrying pests, and does not make false or misleading claims, they are considered "minimum risk" and thus able to be used as a low impact pesticide under the law.

Castor oil (U.S.P. or equivalent)
Cedar oil
Cinnamon and cinnamon oil
Citric acid
Citronella and citronella oil
Cloves and clove oil
Corn gluten meal
Corn oil
Cottonseed oil
Dried blood
Eugenol
Garlic and garlic oil
Geraniol
Geranium oil
Lauryl sulfate
Lemongrass oil
Linseed oil
Malic acid
Mint and mint oil
Peppermint and peppermint oil
2-Phenethyl propionate (2-phenylethyl propionate)
Potassium sorbate
Putrescent whole egg solids
Rosemary and rosemary oil
Sesame (includes ground sesame plant) and sesame oil
Sodium chloride (common salt)
Sodium lauryl sulfate
Soybean oil
Thyme and thyme oil
White pepper
Zinc metal strips (consisting solely of zinc metal and impurities)

These active ingredients listed above may be combined with any of a number of "inert" ingredients from a list published by EPA. This list of minimum risk inert ingredients is known as List "4A". The up-to-date 4A list can be obtained from EPA's website.

damn straight!!! and just don't make the claim!!!! second we have been planting some S. garlic and it looks great and really helps long term.

also try some camphora and Alpinia galanga

[mrkosar]

anyone plant chamomile to repel mosquitoes?

[phasthound]

damn straight!!! and just don't make the claim!!!!

No, the point is you can make the claim with those products that are listed as exempt. You can state that you are controlling mosquitoes, but not the diseases they carry.

[Smallaxe]

No, the point is you can make the claim with those products that are listed as exempt. You can state that you are controlling mosquitoes, but not the diseases they carry.

Wow!! Just leave it to them d@m Lawyers to give you another reason to just wanna - smack them in the face... :laugh:

[treegal1]

wow!! Just leave it to them d@m liars to give you another reason to just wanna - smack them in the face... :laugh:

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[Prolawnservice]

for those that didn't feel like reading through Barrys link

QUESTION: I have found mosquito and tick repellents on the market shelf that do not have EPA registration numbers. I thought that exempted pesticide products could not be labeled to control these kinds of pests?

ANSWER: Claims that the exempted pesticide controls these kinds of pests are allowed, but no claims may be made to make the consumer believe that they would be protected by using the product from a disease that these insects can carry, such as Lyme disease.

Remember: the claim may only be for the pest, as a pest, and not as a disease vector.

Example of an appropriate claim: “repels mosquitoes and ticks.”

Examples of an inappropriate claim: “repels mosquitoes that can transmit malaria,”or,"Will repel ticks that cause Lyme disease."


QUESTION: I have seen products that say they are "the natural way to control pests," or "safe for kids and pets." Aren't these considered by EPA to be false and misleading claims?

ANSWER: No, not for exempted minimum risk pesticides. Products that meet the criteria for exemption from regulation may make safety claims if true. On the other hand, claims cannot be worded in such a way that implies or states endorsement by EPA or another federal agency or department.

[ICT Bill]

for those that didn't feel like reading through Barrys link

QUESTION: I have found mosquito and tick repellents on the market shelf that do not have EPA registration numbers. I thought that exempted pesticide products could not be labeled to control these kinds of pests?

ANSWER: Claims that the exempted pesticide controls these kinds of pests are allowed, but no claims may be made to make the consumer believe that they would be protected by using the product from a disease that these insects can carry, such as Lyme disease.

Remember: the claim may only be for the pest, as a pest, and not as a disease vector.

Example of an appropriate claim: “repels mosquitoes and ticks.”

Examples of an inappropriate claim: “repels mosquitoes that can transmit malaria,”or,"Will repel ticks that cause Lyme disease."


QUESTION: I have seen products that say they are "the natural way to control pests," or "safe for kids and pets." Aren't these considered by EPA to be false and misleading claims?

ANSWER: No, not for exempted minimum risk pesticides. Products that meet the criteria for exemption from regulation may make safety claims if true. On the other hand, claims cannot be worded in such a way that implies or states endorsement by EPA or another federal agency or department.

Great info.......very succinct

[Smallaxe]

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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I was helping a fella with his Ingles this winter and he start talking about ... liars ...lawyers ...some darn thing :)
I told him "It didn't matter. Same meaning, pronunciation is only a coloquialism". :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Chris Burisek]

Another product to try is cedar oil. I saw it at www.cedarcide.com
they have many natural products that seem safe to use. Check out I-R-S
Insect Repellent Spray. We used their PCO Choice to repel Japanese Beetles last year.

[Smallaxe]

I didn't see where the cedarcide could be sprayed on lawns. It looked good for personal dusting though.

[humble1]

The EPA has exempted several low risk products from pesticide registration. The following link specifically mentions proper wording for mosquito control by exempted products.

http://www.epa.gov/PR_Notices/pr2000-6.pdf

Trust me that was my argument about exempt products, but the state can, and has been able to enforce the law based on the intended purpose or label. So even though I could put garlic barrier and butter on a piece of french bread toast it and eat it they still fine you because if you are spraying to replel mitigate or kill a pest it is considered a pesticide, hence the need for a license. You can put corn gluten down in NH if the label doesnt say it prevents weeds, but if it has a label saying controls weeds then you need the license.

[ICT Bill]

Trust me that was my argument about exempt products, but the state can, and has been able to enforce the law based on the intended purpose or label. So even though I could put garlic barrier and butter on a piece of french bread toast it and eat it they still fine you because if you are spraying to replel mitigate or kill a pest it is considered a pesticide, hence the need for a license. You can put corn gluten down in NH if the label doesnt say it prevents weeds, but if it has a label saying controls weeds then you need the license.

Humble1,
You are exactly right
A product may be federally EPA exempt but each state controls its fertilizer and pesticide laws. You have to go by the state law in which you practice

Most states could not give a rats ass that it is safe, natural, organic or whatever, if you make pesticidal claims you had better be licensed

If you have an organic certified farm the federal EPA law is what counts, so those exemption are followed

[phasthound]

Thanks for the clarification.

I forgot to add my legalese disclaimer, "Everything I say or do has no meaning when it comes to The Law." :nono: