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Landscape dawg
03-12-2009, 08:42 PM
I was thinking of buying a new trencher or a puller. I have never used a puller and do not know all the ins and outs. The labor saved by not having to backfill a trench seems like the puller should win hands down. I might buy one if I knew more about it. Any help or info would be appreciated.

irritation
03-12-2009, 09:07 PM
Plowing is the only way to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPDUvyki0jk&feature=related

JB1
03-12-2009, 09:20 PM
we had always trenched them in, I bought a used trencher with a pipe puller. Had someone showing me how to pull and all I can say is wow, don't ever plan on trenching again.

BrandonV
03-12-2009, 10:07 PM
what does everyone else in your area do? if they're not pulling pipe, there might be a reason.

Beartooth
03-13-2009, 12:56 AM
Love to pull. Especially the rezzies. I have a puller for sale!!!!!!!!!

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 06:24 AM
If I had to trench and do systems out of pvc , Im not sure I would even be in this buss.

Mdirrigation
03-13-2009, 08:23 AM
I have had a puller (vibratory plow) since 1984 , I trenched in my first system in 1983 ,it was work , bought the plow inspring of 1984 , used machines werent out there much. I paid $23,000 for my burkeen , here it is 2009 I still run that machine . Go with the plow hands down

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 08:35 AM
If you buy a used plow, treat it to a brand-new blade. A good blade can make all the difference.

Mdirrigation
03-13-2009, 09:30 AM
Find your local ditch witch and vemeer dealer , demo their units either a 410 ditch witch or a lm 42 vemeer , dont go with anything smaller , you will never regret the power. If you dont know equipment be careful on a used machine , take someone that realy knows . The price of new will shock you , but demo the machine anyway ask if they have used . New you are talking over 30 grand , good used about 12 grand . I have had great service out of my burkeen b 30 , but they are out of production for a while , soon to be back up and running according to the company who bought them .

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 09:36 AM
Is the company that bought Burkeen going to be able to support the older machines still out there?

SI2004
03-13-2009, 09:49 AM
What do all of you pull poly from? A employee or a reel?

DanaMac
03-13-2009, 10:00 AM
Here ya go.

puller for sale (http://denver.craigslist.org/tls/1072477680.html)

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 10:11 AM
Here ya go.

puller for sale (http://denver.craigslist.org/tls/1072477680.html)I'd rather have a Piper. </ringing endorsement>

Landscape dawg
03-13-2009, 10:55 AM
Everyone trenches. I trench because that is how I was taught; however, I am trying to seperate my buisiness from others in the area. I think pulling pipe would do it.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 10:58 AM
What do all of you pull poly from? A employee or a reel?

I use an employee, and on the good days he didnt drop the roll in dog s--t before letting it rub all over his chest.

Landscape dawg
03-13-2009, 11:08 AM
Do yall all pull poly or does anyone pull pvc?

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 11:09 AM
You need both an employee and patience for the roll of pipe, because a pipeholder's job is slightly more complicated than it can appear, especially if the poly pipe is over-taped.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 11:13 AM
Do yall all pull poly or does anyone pull pvc?

Ive pulled pvc on athletic fields with a 410

SI2004
03-13-2009, 11:14 AM
I pull pvc main line and poly after the valves.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 11:15 AM
You need both an employee and patience for the roll of pipe, because a pipeholder's job is slightly more complicated than it can appear, especially if the poly pipe is over-taped.

Nothing worse then double taped pipe. Charter is famous for that.

Landscape dawg
03-13-2009, 11:20 AM
typically what size poly do you pull after valves? As far as pipe sizing goes, are poly and pvc similar or the same. Sorry for all the questions I just don't know these things.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 11:25 AM
I use only 1 " everywhere, unless its a real large system with high water flow. Then I will go to 1-1/4 Mains. Maybe do that 3 times a yr. Others will disagree .

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 11:34 AM
Going all one-inch saves you a lot of head-scratching, and simplifies your inventory. If you have street-side water meters down South, you may have a lot more available flow to work with, and could use larger than one inch. Depends on the property size and water pressure.

Landscape dawg
03-13-2009, 11:40 AM
Our meters are usually at the street. I typically use 1" for mains and 1" for zones and a little 3/4" on zones. Some plantation homes require up to a 2" main.

SI2004
03-13-2009, 11:41 AM
My intent of my asking about reels or employees was that I had one of my guys build me a reel / uncoiler and since he was at it I had him built 5 to sell to pay for his time and my materials. I sold 2 to companies in my area and have one left. If anyone is interested shoot me an email and I could send you pics of it. It also has a deal on it to hold spools of wire and weighs about 35 lbs.
staggirrigation@yahoo.com

SI2004
03-13-2009, 11:47 AM
We use 1'' pvc main and 1'' poly
what brand of poly do you all use?
Crestline, Silverline, Charter, us poly, centinial, JM eagle, others?

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 12:06 PM
Oil Creek and Charter for me.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 01:20 PM
Oil Creek and Charter for me.

Same here . .

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 01:36 PM
Just steer clear of Endot non-nsf pipe, if it is offered to you. (on the other hand I got no gripes against NSF-rated poly from Endot)

txgrassguy
03-13-2009, 03:31 PM
Pipe plowing and poly doesn't work well enough in my neck of the woods - central Texas.
Rocks, heavy clay soils and temperature extremes make plowing essentially impossible on residential and small commercial sites.
Lack of traction, breaking the plow on the dense rocks plus the abrasion of poly unless placed in a clean back filled trench = trenching and pvc pipe here.

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 03:52 PM
If clay soil dries to brick-like consistency, you might as well trench. Rocks alone never stopped plowing. The blade can be all-important in tough conditions. Most plows are more confounded by tree roots than by rocks.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 03:54 PM
If clay soil dries to brick-like consistency, you might as well trench. Rocks alone never stopped plowing. The blade can be all-important in tough conditions. Most plows are more confounded by tree roots than by rocks.

Yep, and hardpan can be controledd by soaking it with a garden hose.

FIMCO-MEISTER
03-13-2009, 04:38 PM
Pulled pipe would not pass inspection here.

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 05:05 PM
You just need to hand out X-Ray Specs.

EagleLandscape
03-13-2009, 05:15 PM
those who pull pipe... besides being weird, do you all mostly use spray heads, or is it mostly rotors?

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 05:18 PM
Me for (stream) rotors, if possible.

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 05:23 PM
those who pull pipe... besides being weird, do you all mostly use spray heads, or is it mostly rotors?

Average system for me is 35 rotors and drip in the beds. If there is a strip between sidewalk and street , then 1800,s

AI Inc
03-13-2009, 05:24 PM
Most towns here have a minimum 1 to 1-1/2 acre building lot requirements.

EagleLandscape
03-13-2009, 05:30 PM
average size lot here is 5000 sq ft. try pulling here, with 50-60 spray heads.

trenching will be faster:)

Mike Leary
03-13-2009, 05:49 PM
Me for (stream) rotors, if possible.

Pics please.

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 05:54 PM
We're too honest to install 50+ sprays on a 5000 sq ft property :)

EagleLandscape
03-13-2009, 05:57 PM
Nope, just bad practice. a lot littered with trees, a/c units, proper hydrozoning...

rotors in all 4 corners wont cut it, sorry to say.

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 06:10 PM
Gee, you would have loved the old lady that was carefully pointing out the various dry and wet areas of her back yard, prior to my supplying an estimate. Two such extremes were within eight feet of each other, and both were less than ten feet from the driveway. Flat ground, too.

Mike Leary
03-13-2009, 07:35 PM
We're too honest to install 50+ sprays on a 5000 sq ft property :)

If you've got trees and shrubs in the way, so be it.

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 07:51 PM
C'mon. 5K sq ft minus house and drive and walks and patios leaves maybe 4K? Each spray would be responsible for less than a 9x9 square on average.

Mike Leary
03-13-2009, 08:01 PM
C'mon. 5K sq ft minus house and drive and walks . bed patios leaves maybe 4K? Each spray would be responsible for less than a 9x9 square on average.

Sometimes it don't work that way, Oblio, ask Arrow, he knows how pointless design can be once you get in the field.

CAPT Stream Rotar
03-13-2009, 08:03 PM
We're too honest to install 50+ sprays on a 5000 sq ft property :)

speak for yourself

Wet_Boots
03-13-2009, 08:07 PM
speak for yourselfGet off the thread, Typhoid Mary ~ :p

Mike Leary
03-13-2009, 08:14 PM
Get off the thread, Typhoid Mary ~ :p

:::::::disinfects computer and motor home:::::::::

Mdirrigation
03-14-2009, 04:17 PM
Is the company that bought Burkeen going to be able to support the older machines still out there?

When I takled to them they were very helpful and did have some parts available . They want to start making the machine next year they said.
The nice part about a burkeen that it is a machine made of components , everything is available thru other sources. I was getting bearings for my shaker box at auto zone , bushings at a local supply house ,etc. its actually a very simple machine to work on

DanaMac
03-15-2009, 06:47 PM
Vermeer for sale. Any thoughts?

Vermeer (http://denver.craigslist.org/grd/1074825583.html)

Wet_Boots
03-15-2009, 11:41 PM
No trencher or boring unit?

mitchgo
03-16-2009, 12:00 AM
is it easily available to get the adaption units?

Wet_Boots
03-16-2009, 12:14 AM
Plenty of used machines fully equipped.

Mdirrigation
03-16-2009, 08:04 AM
Vermeer for sale. Any thoughts?

Vermeer (http://denver.craigslist.org/grd/1074825583.html)

Not a bad price , without the trencher it is a very manuverable machine.
I dont have a trencher on my first machine , I have only rented a trencher 4 times in 25 years , I have pulled everything else . A boring attachment can be found cheap used , I actually have 2 in my shop off parts machines,

AI Inc
03-16-2009, 08:07 AM
I have never owned a Vermeer , but seeing DW dropped the 255 , I may go with an l45 vermeer next time around.
I have 2 255,s now . Both holding up good, only problems last yr were a few blown hoses.

SI2004
03-16-2009, 09:22 AM
For those of you who install poly, got a link to that poly reel with wire spool holder. After shipping, under $400


http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tls/1070146483.html

WalkGood
03-16-2009, 01:20 PM
For those of you who install poly, got a link to that poly reel with wire spool holder. After shipping, under $400


http://kansascity.craigslist.org/tls/1070146483.html


Yeah..... untape the poly and that holder is worth nothing.

SI2004
03-17-2009, 09:30 AM
Yeah..... untape the poly and that holder is worth nothing.

Not so true, the inner pipe gets secured. But yes the first time you cut the tape if you don't hold on to it, it will unravel a little, but not enough to get me all in a tizzy. Then when you are done using it for that day you tighten whats left up a turn or two and secure the outer pipe to one of the arms.

Thanks for the comment.

AI Inc
03-17-2009, 11:19 AM
One more thing to load unload. Ill stick with a human.

Wet_Boots
03-17-2009, 11:29 AM
One more thing to load unload. Ill stick with a human......and if the human is Rotar, it's pre-loaded :p

AI Inc
03-17-2009, 11:43 AM
Boots is on a roll today ! :drinkup: