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dwost
03-13-2009, 08:11 PM
Ok gents, here is my first mod on my new rig. I took the inspiration from MJR 63 and his recreation of the big league lawn setup. Mine is similar, however, has a few additional options. You can find his original post here: http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=192602&highlight=boat+striper+kit

The big differences are heavier gauge brackets and larger superstrut bracing. I also gave it a quick coat of paint and built a hanging kit for it as well as a stop so it won't kick back to the wheels if elevated to a point where it will swing forward. I used 1/8" cable, ferrules, and the hitch receiver. My next enhancement will be a remote lift, stay tuned!! Here are the pics:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_side2.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_side.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_rear2.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_rear1.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_cable2.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_cable.jpg

fazzy815-66
03-13-2009, 08:13 PM
s w e e t !

dwost
03-13-2009, 08:26 PM
Thanks! Forgot to add one in the raised position.

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c277/Anthrassat/Mower/stripe_rear_up.jpg

Kennedy Landscaping
03-13-2009, 08:36 PM
Looks awesome! Gotta see some pictures of them stripes too!

02DURAMAX
03-13-2009, 08:46 PM
nice!!!!!!

dwost
03-13-2009, 09:46 PM
Thanks guys, yes I know I'm chomping at the bit to get this thing on some grass!! I'll definitely post up some pics of the results as well as some feedback on cut quality. I know there are many on here interested in how the BB's perform on northern grasses. I'll do my best to provide an accurate account of its performance. I'm putting down my Dimension tomorrow!! GROW BABY GROW!!!!

Grits
03-13-2009, 10:38 PM
How does it do when backing up? Seems like it would catapult? I would like to add one to my Hustler.

dwost
03-13-2009, 10:43 PM
Absolutely no idea........LOL I just stuck it on tonight! From what I've read/heard from several on here running this version or the actual BLL model it works quite well. The key is the independant wheels allowing both forward/reverse movement when turning. I added the cable so if I were to go over a crest or somewhere where the rear end of the mower would lift to a point where the unit could pivot back under the weels it will keep the unit from doing so. Should work fine but I'll post back once I give it a test run.

If anyone is interested in building one of these you can pick up the bunk rollers dirt cheap from these guys. They were great to deal with and very fast shipping! http://www.trailerpartsdepot.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=530R-5PDF&eq=&Tp=

fiveoboy01
03-14-2009, 01:45 AM
FWIW, I put a nearly-identical striper on our ZTR last year.

I did have the pivot point mounted up on the frame(forward I mean) much further.

My concern is that you'll end up doing the same thing with that thing that I did with mine and that is while zero turning the whole thing deflects to the side and bends the two uprights.

Perhaps mine was too flimsy, I dunno..... I think the steel I used was just as thick as yours but maybe yours will work better.

For the few minutes mine did work, it did stripe very well.

dwost
03-14-2009, 08:16 AM
FWIW, I put a nearly-identical striper on our ZTR last year.

I did have the pivot point mounted up on the frame(forward I mean) much further.

My concern is that you'll end up doing the same thing with that thing that I did with mine and that is while zero turning the whole thing deflects to the side and bends the two uprights.

Perhaps mine was too flimsy, I dunno..... I think the steel I used was just as thick as yours but maybe yours will work better.

For the few minutes mine did work, it did stripe very well.

hmmmmmm that is good to know. It's supposed to warm up here today so I may give it a test run. If it looks as if there is any binding at all I'll lengthen the arms. Thanks again for the feedback!

french's lawn care
03-14-2009, 10:53 AM
here is a you tube video using your striper kit your rich lol looks like it works well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSAJRdxzAeQ&NR=1

riverwalklandscaping
03-14-2009, 10:55 AM
Looks like the two rubber mounts under the back of your mower are attaching two pieces of metal that are just bolted together in the middle so how do they help with absorption.. or am I just looking at it wrong

riverwalklandscaping
03-14-2009, 10:58 AM
here is a you tube video using your striper kit you rich lol looks like it works well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSAJRdxzAeQ&NR=1

haha I thought I was the only one who does the twice in one direction once back method when I am bored

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd7o7FLFwsU&NR=1 just noticed this after watching yours.. pretty funny

dwost
03-15-2009, 08:17 PM
Looks like the two rubber mounts under the back of your mower are attaching two pieces of metal that are just bolted together in the middle so how do they help with absorption.. or am I just looking at it wrong

You are not seeing the whole design. I'll try to snap some shot looking at it from the front. They are independent pieces of steel bolted to that cross member that are each fitted with the rubber dampeners. It works quite well!

I also made an adjustment today per the recommendation about it needing to be at a 45. I gave it a test run and it was bouncing around a bit so I added a bracket to drop the mounting point down about 4" it now sits further back and has much better ground contact.

mdlwn1
03-15-2009, 11:02 PM
"I'm putting down my Dimension tomorrow!! GROW BABY GROW"........I'm concerned that your actually serious!

South Florida Lawns
03-15-2009, 11:11 PM
bet you can't wait to cut some grass with that. Those mowers are not very common in Florida I don't know why tho.

dwost
03-16-2009, 07:49 AM
"I'm putting down my Dimension tomorrow!! GROW BABY GROW"........I'm concerned that your actually serious!

Lesco was closed so no-go till next week :)

aplusjon
03-17-2009, 06:17 PM
hey the stripe kit looks awesome it should make good stripes

2brothersyardcare
03-17-2009, 06:19 PM
nice bad boy

Cutter1
03-24-2009, 02:37 PM
why not just hang chain links??

dwost
03-24-2009, 07:28 PM
Thought about it........and may still make one if this doesn't work. I've had great results with a roller that I built for my WB, however, with the minimal clearance between the deck and rear wheels on this unit I figured this would be a good alternative. Not to mention the good feedback and results with the official BLL setup. To be honest, I'm really not wild about either setup (chain or BLL) as having something hanging off the back can lend itself to getting caught. If this isn't up to spec, I may bolt a thick flap to the back of the deck and be done with it. I'll post up pics of the result as we get into cutting season.

Cutter1
03-26-2009, 12:17 PM
I have seen pics on lawnsite of someone who hung chains links that bairly drug on the ground, seemed to work good.....might have been the late ericelm.

dwost
03-26-2009, 08:36 PM
I have seen pics on lawnsite of someone who hung chains links that bairly drug on the ground, seemed to work good.....might have been the late ericelm.

They work great no doubt about it. I just don't like something hanging off the back of my mower. We'll see, this roller setup may change my mind.

Doc66
04-30-2009, 10:17 PM
Dwost,

Very nicely done. Someday I'll get around to painting my striper to match my mower. How are the stripes coming out?

dwost
05-01-2009, 08:03 AM
Hey Doc, I saw your pics of your setup, looks great!! I've actually modified it a bit more. I dropped it even further down (mounting points) and further behind the wheels. It works much better and when I raise it, it now fits totally under the back of my mower. I also added hitch pins w/clips to attach it to the frame. I can easily pull it off now as it's not bolted down. The stripes look great, I'm hoping to cut in the next day or so and will post up some results. I'm finally cutting close to my usual 3.5" so they are getting more defined with every cut. I'll have to snap some pics.

Doc66
05-02-2009, 07:59 AM
That's the beauty of building your own... tweaking it until you get it the way you want it.

dwost
05-04-2009, 08:50 PM
Here are some recent pics with a few changes. I did need to move it further forward and wanted a quick disconnect option. I found two perfect mounting points on the bottom of the frame, installed two "L" Superstrut brackets, hitch pins, a couple washers and I'm all set. It now will come off in about 20 seconds. Works much better and now sits further forward so when it's in the raised position it is less prone to hanging up on anything that may be in the way. So far so good!!

dwost
05-05-2009, 03:00 PM
Couple shots from earlier today cut at 3". I didn't realize it but I have a large smudge on the lower right half of the lens causing some blurring but you get the idea. So far I'm extremely impressed with the cut of this mower.
:clapping:

menges21
05-05-2009, 06:41 PM
Absolutley gourgeous

hvphotog
05-05-2009, 07:52 PM
Very nice... can also get rollers at Gander Mtn i think.. www.westmarine.com too

dwost
05-05-2009, 09:39 PM
Thanks guys, yes you can get them various places but I have yet to find them as cheap as I did at Trailer Parts Warehouse. $4.58 each http://www.trailerpartsdepot.com/Itemdesc.asp?ic=530R-5PDF&eq=&Tp=

STIHL GUY
05-05-2009, 11:41 PM
sweet!! looks nice

hvphotog
05-06-2009, 07:19 AM
Will be making on myself this weekend :-)

Doc66
05-06-2009, 08:06 AM
Nice Job Dwost.

Looks like those mods are working out great for you. 4.58 is a good price for the wheels. I got mine at easternmarine.com last year. They were more than that, but the cheapest I could find them at the time.

Doc66
05-08-2009, 12:19 PM
For those who want to build their own striper, this should give you an idea. I used pvc pipe instead of washers for the spacers and drilled a hole in the end of the rod for cotter pins instead of end caps.

dwost
06-12-2009, 10:24 PM
Thought I'd post up some pics from this afternoon. The grass is finally growing at our new office and this is only the second cut. The grass was extremely tall (12" or so) and I cut it down to 3". I've been experimenting with different blade setups and I think running the Dixie Chopper solid foil high lifts are so far my favorite next to the stock fusions. That is what I used today. I tried running doubles this past week on my yard with the Dixies and gators but the results were less than desirable. I think there was way too much turbulence under the deck and I had a bunch of stringers. It also pulled down the kawi when pushing it hard up hill. I may try doubles with my stock blades and see if that helps. For now, enjoy the stripes!! Pardon the appearance on a few of them as they are a bit crooked and the quality could be better as I snapped them on my iPhone. This mower impresses me more and more every time I'm on it. :walking:

Chestnut Oaks Prez
06-12-2009, 10:58 PM
Not sure, but I think it works:dizzy:

brucec
06-14-2009, 08:15 PM
What do you do in that office?

eatonpcat
06-15-2009, 06:32 AM
Wow... Are you calling that outcome less than desirable??

Looks great to me

dwost
06-15-2009, 08:38 AM
Bruce, We own an education publishing company. We produce a web based weekly current events newspaper for individuals with special needs. We also have developed an online curriculum for this community as well. You can check us out here: www.n2yinc.com

Eaton, Yeah, it works.....I think he was being facetious? Or maybe not his cup of tea! lol

eatonpcat
06-15-2009, 02:40 PM
Bruce, We own an education publishing company. We produce a web based weekly current events newspaper for individuals with special needs. We also have developed an online curriculum for this community as well. You can check us out here: www.n2yinc.com

Eaton, Yeah, it works.....I think he was being facetious? Or maybe not his cup of tea! lol


OOPS Dwost... I misread your post... I understood the Prez was being sarcastic. I thought you didn't like the outcome (must read the whole paragraph before opening my big mouth).

Sounds like a your business is doing a great service for people with special needs .

dwost
06-15-2009, 02:49 PM
OOPS Dwost... I misread your post... I understood the Prez was being sarcastic. I thought you didn't like the outcome (must read the whole paragraph before opening my big mouth).

Sounds like a your business is doing a great service for people with special needs .

Lol, no worries. I was talking about the blade setups I've been playing with. The striping, however, is NOT an issue!

Doc66
06-15-2009, 08:51 PM
Exactly what to expect from that setup. Keep up the good work!

Glenn Lawn Care
06-15-2009, 10:05 PM
sweet. my buddy put a wench on his ztr to lift his dethatcher up and down in the spring, and i thought that was a good idea.

dwost
06-16-2009, 07:45 AM
sweet. my buddy put a wench on his ztr to lift his dethatcher up and down in the spring, and i thought that was a good idea.

Post up some pics, I'd like to check that out!

retrodog
06-16-2009, 08:14 AM
Thanks for posting pics dwost, tons of people ask for striping pics on the bb, and are always asking how is bad boy mowers cut quality in northern grasses, and I actually have a good answer now. The pics will help push some of these northern guys over the fence that were calling me and asking about them. I felt retarted sending them pics of our "trash grass" around here, even a good bermuda yard or st augustine around here just shows faint striping (even with a striping kit). I can't stress enough at what a value the lightning is at $8000. I feel that the mower you are using has got to be the best valued mower under 8 grand in the entire industry. It is by far our best seller (and my favorite mower for the price.

bobcatguy96
06-16-2009, 08:39 PM
awesome...

youryardbarbourllc
06-16-2009, 08:53 PM
i have read a lot from dwost which also made my decision in buying a bad boy. I have a 60inch Pup with a 30hp kohler. Here are some stripes from up north west NJ. Love the machine! After looking at bob cats and toros i am very happy with my choice.

No strip kit
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/cjbarbour19/0612091135.jpg

With same strip kit dwost made

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y202/cjbarbour19/0521091922.jpg

I will try to get some more this week

youryardbarbourllc
06-16-2009, 08:54 PM
sorry for the shitty cell phone pics

dwost
06-16-2009, 10:44 PM
Looking good barbour!! Glad I could help you out with your decision. I'm LOVING mine as well. I noticed you are in NJ, what part? You didn't happen to get yours at Histands in Doylestown PA did you?

demhustler
06-14-2010, 01:07 AM
FWIW, I put a nearly-identical striper on our ZTR last year.

I did have the pivot point mounted up on the frame(forward I mean) much further.

My concern is that you'll end up doing the same thing with that thing that I did with mine and that is while zero turning the whole thing deflects to the side and bends the two uprights.

Perhaps mine was too flimsy, I dunno..... I think the steel I used was just as thick as yours but maybe yours will work better.

For the few minutes mine did work, it did stripe very well.

hmmmmmm that is good to know. It's supposed to warm up here today so I may give it a test run. If it looks as if there is any binding at all I'll lengthen the arms. Thanks again for the feedback!

so, guys, did these problems presented themselves? how this been solved or what the good ways to solve it?
p.s. btw, i just have simple rubber plate between wheels on hustler and exmark

dwost
06-14-2010, 07:42 AM
so, guys, did these problems presented themselves? how this been solved or what the good ways to solve it?
p.s. btw, i just have simple rubber plate between wheels on hustler and exmark

Yup, I fixed mine by switching out the arms for shorter, thicker steel. It now sits only about 2" from the rear wheels. No issues at all. I had a rubber flap on my Gravely WB that worked good but switched to a deck mounted roller and it made a huge difference. I've really enjoyed this BLL knock off as well, it does a great job!

mtmower
02-28-2012, 01:01 PM
I know this is an old post but had to ask. Nice idea. How many $s do you think you had in the build? Have you had any problems with clearance in the back? I'm thinking about ditches and such that would raise the front of the mower pinching the stripper between the ground and the frame of the mower with the stripper in up or down position?

Another idea I had was putting a cable system to your unit that would then attach to the deck or deck lifting mech. so when the deck is raised the stripper would raise as well. This would allow for turning the stripper on and off in a sense when turning at the ends of your runs or when in transportation mode.

dwost
02-28-2012, 01:16 PM
Hey MTM, I've been runnig it problem free since the initial build. I did switch out the brackets to bring it closer to the rear wheels but have had no issues at all with it jacknifing or getting pinched by the wheels. Total build cost was around $130. Majority of the cost are the boat rollers. Definitely would recommend this setup.
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hflores3
06-03-2014, 09:29 AM
Is there "any ideas" on how to fabricate a way to "disengage/lift" the rollers off the ground whilst sitting in the drivers seat?
a) when I zero turn - I would like for the rollers to be "UP" so that I don't bend the grass whilst turning
b) It would also be "neat" to be able to "lift" the rollers from the driver's seat (i.e., lever, cable, etc.)....
c) I would surmise that this would make the striping process fast, clean and easy.
d) I have 2 acres to mow. There is one area in particular with trees - thus the "disengage/lift" from the driver's seat idea......

Your expert thoughts?

mtmower
06-03-2014, 01:20 PM
I've now have had three different stripe kits.

One was basically a mud flap/conveyor belt, sandwiched between two metal plates at the top where attatched, rubber hanging 2" off the surface from the very rear of the frame. This works well, flexes a little, but can make mower high center a little in ditches and if you cutting tall thick grass with lots of volume, can cause minor collection or pile up especially if backing. Pretty rare though. $200 from factory.

The second was basically a piece of drive shaft tube about 5" in diameter. The two rear outer anti scalp wheels where replace with brackets that held bearings supporting this. Works great as large antiscalp and allows to raise and lower, turn on and off, by raising deck. Down side is adds weight to the deck which make it harder to lift and I find I need to replace bearings about every 500 hrs. Not hard to do but around $50 in parts. I use things hard and have felt my 1500 lbs mower get light when riding on this over super rough areas. $300 from factory.

The third is on it's way and similar to the second but mounts further back on the rear deck support arms and as a result is made up of three rollers. $700 from factory. I better like it..............:dizzy:

I really like the idea of a roller vs flap and having it as close to the deck as possible for pivoting purposes. I also like the idea of it lifting with the deck so striping can be turned on and off as well as working as an anti scalp. One other down side to stripe kits if they are aggressive they can effect traction negatively on supper steep, damp, slopes. I sometimes need to float the deck to regain traction.

Hope this helps.

hflores3
07-14-2014, 08:31 AM
Installed a homemade lawn striper on my Scag Tiger Cub. How much "weight" should be over the striper to produce decent bending of the grass?

a) I'm in Houston - so grass is mostly St Augustine grass (not the best for striping - but I'm trying)
b) I'm cutting at 3.5" height
c) Did a test cut yesterday .... the TIRES of the Scag layed down better stripes - than the striper. I supposed that was because of the "weight"
d) It's not "as far back" (from the rear wheels) as appears. I'm looking for alternate attachment points.
e) The eye bolt is for attaching to an small ATV winch -- so I can be "lazy" and lift/lower using the winch. (i.e., lift to turn / lower to re-engage). Harbor Frieght had a remote control winch for $49.00.

What do you gents think?

hflores3
07-14-2014, 08:46 AM
I may have to "lower" the anchor / attachment points and move it in closer to the rear wheels. (this was my first try at making one of these - you can tell by all the bolts I used! :-)

The eye bolt is for attaching to an small ATV winch -- so I can be "lazy" and lift/lower using the winch. (i.e., lift to turn / lower to re-engage). Harbor Frieght had a remote control winch for $49.00.

The ATV winch will go on the flat plate over the "Texas" wording. I'm hoping that it can easily lift the roller from the eye bolt.

The wheels are "marine rollers." The spacers are PVC pipes/cut. The main brace is from Home Depot. The braces leading to mower were from flat steel stock - also from Home Depot. Only the L-Brackets were ready made.

What do you gents think about the weight issue? Should I add some additional weight over the rollers? I'm open to your opinions.

mtmower
07-14-2014, 10:16 AM
I would think what you have there should work well. I believe Bad Boy and maybe certain Scag models have a spring system which helps to press the roller to the ground a little. May some large springs would be an option. It should be easier on the winch/eye bolt set up I would think and no one really needs additional weight to drag around.

Weight may help give you a more extreme stripe and even out the look between the striper and the tires. It will also cause your striper to wear out quicker and may cause some tearing of turf when turning. I'm afraid it's going to be trial and error.

The mud flap/conveyor type I had put little or no down pressure but there was more friction in the process since it was drug across the grass.

My two different roller systems do stripe at different extremes depending on the height setting but under normal conditions they are not resting on the ground but is 2" or more, lower than the blade cut height.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!

hflores3
07-14-2014, 09:06 PM
I would think what you have there should work well. I believe Bad Boy and maybe certain Scag models have a spring system which helps to press the roller to the ground a little. May some large springs would be an option. It should be easier on the winch/eye bolt set up I would think and no one really needs additional weight to drag around.

Weight may help give you a more extreme stripe and even out the look between the striper and the tires. It will also cause your striper to wear out quicker and may cause some tearing of turf when turning. I'm afraid it's going to be trial and error.

The mud flap/conveyor type I had put little or no down pressure but there was more friction in the process since it was drug across the grass.

My two different roller systems do stripe at different extremes depending on the height setting but under normal conditions they are not resting on the ground but is 2" or more, lower than the blade cut height.

Good luck and let us know what you decide!

a) Excellent point on the weight leading to premature wear! Had not thought of that! Good one!!
b) Would you be willing to share the "mud flap" parts you use? This is a viable option to test.
c) a spring system is another viable option -- just need to fab up a way to do that.

hflores3
07-15-2014, 01:52 PM
I was disappointed with the "mainden run" of lawn striping .....still working on it.

southerntide
07-15-2014, 02:23 PM
I still have yet to find out a mount for my deere due to the enormous cast iron bumper seems no one else has either pisses me off I envy you lol

I think it is setting way to far back from the deck personally

hflores3
07-15-2014, 03:45 PM
I still have yet to find out a mount for my deere due to the enormous cast iron bumper seems no one else has either pisses me off I envy you lol

I think it is setting way to far back from the deck personally

Yeah...I agree. I need to find a mounting point further up -- or cut the brackets 6 inches or so.

mtmower
07-15-2014, 09:07 PM
The factory rollers on the Hustler both mount right behind the deck. The XR7 had enough room between the deck and rear drive wheels that you removed the two rear corner antiscalp wheels and replaced them with a bracket that then held bearing cups for what looks like drive shaft material.

The VX4 deck didn't have the room to do this so they made plates with u bolts that attach to the rear deck push arms. This requires three separate rollers, center and one on the out side of either push arm.

The really nice thing about this is turning doesn't effect things as much being the roller is so close to the rear drive/turn wheels, they act as a huge antiscalp wheel, and you can sort of turn on and off stripping buy raising the deck in areas to give a super nice look.

I don't have any real great pics. The one with the black lab in my seat gives you a peak of the roller bracket mount on the rear end of the deck.

The Pic with the bagger mounted mower gives you a peak at the flap style. Probably the easiest to make but least favorite of the three. Did the job though. Could cause you to high center on extreme ditch mowing and made servicing things a little tougher that would normally be accessed at the rear of the unit. Basically a strip of metal bent at the ends to mount to the sides of the frame and another strip on the front side with bolts going through everything to sandwitch the rubber.

The last is the newest roller. Almost $700 if I didn't already say!!:dizzy: Probably weighs in around 35 lbs.

hflores3
07-15-2014, 09:14 PM
Boy! Those are really good looking stripes your roller lays down!

a) I'm cutting the grass at about 3.5 inches -- long enough to bend?
b) Perhaps this St. Augestine grass is not good for striping?
c) That roller of yours looks spring loaded - yes?

What else should I be considering to "improve" the striping?

mtmower
07-15-2014, 09:15 PM
Eye candy.

And a rainbow from yesterday.

mtmower
07-15-2014, 09:20 PM
Thanks. Grass type and height may have a lot to do with it.

None of the three are spring loaded just set height.

In the case of the rubber flap, 2" from the ground no matter what height your cutting. If you went over a rough area rubber would flex even though stiff because it was about 4" tall. Like I said though I high centered many times in the 1500 hrs. I owned it. Rear wheel would get light enough to spin in the air.

The rollers are also about 1.5"-2" basically hanging as part of the deck. So on uneven areas where contact is made it lifts the deck like an antiscalp wheel.

hflores3
07-17-2014, 06:06 PM
Thanks. Grass type and height may have a lot to do with it.

None of the three are spring loaded just set height.

In the case of the rubber flap, 2" from the ground no matter what height your cutting. If you went over a rough area rubber would flex even though stiff because it was about 4" tall. Like I said though I high centered many times in the 1500 hrs. I owned it. Rear wheel would get light enough to spin in the air.

The rollers are also about 1.5"-2" basically hanging as part of the deck. So on uneven areas where contact is made it lifts the deck like an antiscalp wheel.

I'm stuck with the grass I have............

That leaves grass height. How high should I be cutting it to get "some decent" striping?

mtmower
07-17-2014, 08:12 PM
I start around 2.5" in the spring and gradually take it up to close to 4" by the heat of the summer here and then back down to 2.5" by late fall. Being that the striper rollers are connected to the deck or deck arms they adjust along with the deck adjustment unlike the rear flap style which was set at 2" all the time.

hflores3
07-17-2014, 09:00 PM
I start around 2.5" in the spring and gradually take it up to close to 4" by the heat of the summer here and then back down to 2.5" by late fall. Being that the striper rollers are connected to the deck or deck arms they adjust along with the deck adjustment unlike the rear flap style which was set at 2" all the time.

Ah! Nice move therefore -- connecting the roller to the deck.

I've "got to" figure out height & weight -- I'm stuck with St. Augestine grass. Its nice grass -- but doesn't appear to lend itself well to "striping" (for now at least)

hflores3
07-19-2014, 06:46 PM
Well, I had to resort to good old fashion "Southern Engineering" to test if additional weight would help me create a decent stripe for my lawn.

I added an "old" weight lifting 25lb plate to see if that would work.

It gave me "hope" that I'm moving in the right direction. I think 50lb might be the "sweet spot"

hflores3
07-19-2014, 06:48 PM
Apologies -- here is picture #1

hflores3
07-19-2014, 11:13 PM
Here is my "southern engineering" approach to striping.

hflores3
07-19-2014, 11:14 PM
Pictures reflect my adding at 25lb weight to "add" some grass bending pressure.

The picture is my 2nd test on our yard.

Getting there!

I may add another plate and test again.

hflores3
07-19-2014, 11:17 PM
trying to upload pictures.....something is not working.

mtmower
07-20-2014, 12:31 AM
Well given your grass type I think that looks pretty good. Do other mowers in your area produce any noticeable striping? If not, and your able to find the right set up, you may be the top dog on the porch lawn wise! Good luck!

hflores3
07-20-2014, 05:52 PM
No other mowers in our area has "any" noticeable striping. No one is actually trying. Not even the professional services. Nada! No one.

My neighbors have been giving me fun-loving shxxx / grief about what I was building (the striper). NOW....one of my neighbors is asking questions about how it works (he has 4 acres of beautiful grass)! He came over and saw the strips -- I think he's interested now!! Hilarious!

He gave me two front brake rotors (i.e., the stud holes on the rotors give me ways to "bolt it" to the striper). Each one is about 22lbs so it's a good test with two of them.

I think the 40lb - 50lb weight may be the "sweet spot." I'm sure it will shorten the life of the rollers -- but I need to "test" how many seasons I can get out of the setup....then I will have a point of reference.

My last "goofy ass" idea is using a cheap ATV winch to "lift & lower" the striper. Lift it to zero turn. Lower it when I'm aimed. ....it's a goofy ass idea but I'm having fun figuring it out.

Mondragon Lawn Serv
07-20-2014, 09:29 PM
Well, I'm not in friendswood but I'm in Houston. No stripping kit on any of our mowers and here is what we get. Actually, if I'm not mistaken our Ferris comes standard with a factory rubber flap, but I'll have to confirm

hflores3
07-20-2014, 10:12 PM
Wow! That really looks great!! No doubt about it!

That "flap" IS your striper.

Is the mower a "walk behind," "riding mower," "Z-turn?"

That looks outstanding!

Mondragon Lawn Serv
07-20-2014, 10:22 PM
Wow! That really looks great!! No doubt about it!

That "flap" IS your striper.

Is the mower a "walk behind," "riding mower," "Z-turn?"

That looks outstanding!

These were made with our 36" toro grandstand. The Ferris is a Ztr our other grandstand is a 48 and it gives us the best stripes. I need to get more pics.
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hflores3
07-21-2014, 08:02 AM
Shoot! That looks great!

The lines are perfectly straight. The lines are "very" visible.

Very cool

hflores3
07-21-2014, 08:08 AM
How do you lay down "perfectly straight" stripes.

I have these "long acre long" patches of grass and I'm not yet laying down "straight" stripes.

I was even thinking about using "a marker string" -- to give me a line to follow for the first stripe (I'm an amateur).

Any suggestions?

show-n-go
07-21-2014, 04:52 PM
No other mowers in our area has "any" noticeable striping. No one is actually trying. Not even the professional services. Nada! No one.

My neighbors have been giving me fun-loving shxxx / grief about what I was building (the striper). NOW....one of my neighbors is asking questions about how it works (he has 4 acres of beautiful grass)! He came over and saw the strips -- I think he's interested now!! Hilarious!

He gave me two front brake rotors (i.e., the stud holes on the rotors give me ways to "bolt it" to the striper). Each one is about 22lbs so it's a good test with two of them.

I think the 40lb - 50lb weight may be the "sweet spot." I'm sure it will shorten the life of the rollers -- but I need to "test" how many seasons I can get out of the setup....then I will have a point of reference.

My last "goofy ass" idea is using a cheap ATV winch to "lift & lower" the striper. Lift it to zero turn. Lower it when I'm aimed. ....it's a goofy ass idea but I'm having fun figuring it out.



Why lift it when turning? I am going on my 3rd season with my stripe kit BLL just like yours and have no issues when turning. I think if you could get it up closer to the rear wheels it would work better too.

hflores3
07-21-2014, 10:41 PM
Affirmative. I will give it a shot (shortening it closer to the rear wheels)

mtmower
07-21-2014, 11:22 PM
On lines, I usually use the house as a guide for the lines so it showcases the home. I do straight lines with the house starting with a wall or roof line as a guide. The trick is o use your peripheral vision to line one of your front casters up on a point in the distance and not be trying to make a straight line by watching the ground 15 ft. in front of you. Five weeks later when you come back to this pattern use a different reference point on the home so you not on the same wheel tracks. This keeps rutting down to a minimum and is better for the grass as well. Second week I run perpendicular lines to the prior week. And next two weeks I do forty-five degrees angle to the house. Often there is a roof line/valley that lends itself as a guide. The week before and of the 4th of July I do a very slow wavy line (one week toward the house and the next perpendicular) like a flags stripes waving in the wind. Home owners love it. Always try and stagger a repeat pattern if possible. Depending on the yard lay out, size, and ability to visually see the home, etc of course you may have to improvise. Hope this makes sense.

hflores3
07-22-2014, 05:29 AM
On lines, I usually use the house as a guide for the lines so it showcases the home. I do straight lines with the house starting with a wall or roof line as a guide. The trick is o use your peripheral vision to line one of your front casters up on a point in the distance and not be trying to make a straight line by watching the ground 15 ft. in front of you. Five weeks later when you come back to this pattern use a different reference point on the home so you not on the same wheel tracks. This keeps rutting down to a minimum and is better for the grass as well. Second week I run perpendicular lines to the prior week. And next two weeks I do forty-five degrees angle to the house. Often there is a roof line/valley that lends itself as a guide. The week before and of the 4th of July I do a very slow wavy line (one week toward the house and the next perpendicular) like a flags stripes waving in the wind. Home owners love it. Always try and stagger a repeat pattern if possible. Depending on the yard lay out, size, and ability to visually see the home, etc of course you may have to improvise. Hope this makes sense.


Outstanding advice!

My house isn't adjacent to where I need mow -- but I get your advice on "a process." It makes perfect sense.

The concept of "rutting & staggering" wasn't something I remotely considered!

Great advice.

hflores3
07-22-2014, 05:34 AM
Why lift it when turning? I am going on my 3rd season with my stripe kit BLL just like yours and have no issues when turning. I think if you could get it up closer to the rear wheels it would work better too.

Lifting it when turning -- two reasons:

a) I had to add weight to the rollers to help with the stripes. I'm worried about "dragging, rutting" the grass during turns.
b) Just something "cool" to add to my mower (just a fun project to do in the garage over the weekends)

whiffyspark
07-22-2014, 06:33 AM
Just pick something in the distance and drive straight to it. Some people will turn around and run a line down the same stripe again. I don't I'll start the next stripe.
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southerntide
07-22-2014, 07:09 AM
Pictures reflect my adding at 25lb weight to "add" some grass bending pressure.

The picture is my 2nd test on our yard.

Getting there!

I may add another plate and test again.

Looks better should work better closer, are you mowing a mix of southern grasses? Here you barely can leave a stripe only way to do it is with something like this, first time I have seen a weight added on to one though.

Still not figured out my Deere mount lol about impossible to have a wobble roller and make it raise and lower in/not in use

mtmower
07-22-2014, 09:17 AM
Just pick something in the distance and drive straight to it. Some people will turn around and run a line down the same stripe again. I don't I'll start the next stripe.
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Going back the opposite direction on the same run usually makes the striping much less apparent IMO.

whiffyspark
07-22-2014, 09:24 AM
Going back the opposite direction on the same run usually makes the striping much less apparent IMO.

I agree. That's why I don't do it. They just go back on the one stripe. Not every stripe.
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SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-25-2014, 07:55 PM
Love the weight Idea, I may have to try that one out.

SouthernRootsLawnCare
07-26-2014, 03:17 PM
http://southernrootslawncare.com/IMAG0253.jpg

hflores3
07-27-2014, 09:37 PM
Pictures reflect my adding at 25lb weight to "add" some grass bending pressure.

The picture is my 2nd test on our yard.

Getting there!

I may add another plate and test again.

Update:
a) the 25lb weight I added "severely" bent the bolt it was attached with
b) Any ideas on "how" to add 2 25lb plates?
c) I thought about "fabbing up" a brace (one to each side to hold 1-each plate). Use the existing bolts to hold it in place
d) Another option is to add lead to the horizontal brace that holds the rollers. I was surprised that they actually sell lead in that shape. I think they use for ballast in race cars. It's just expensive ($80-$90 for 50lbs)

This St Augestine grass is not the best for this "striping" ....but a little weight seems to be working for me. Just need to find the "correct" weight.

hflores3
07-27-2014, 09:45 PM
http://southernrootslawncare.com/IMAG0253.jpg

That looks "darn good" southernrootslawncar!

hflores3
08-17-2014, 03:38 PM
You guys are to "die laughing!" I met a guy who "makes" raised white letters for old vintage cars (these are for an AC Cobra)

I asked him to send me a set -- I cleaned off the tires with Carb Cleaner (5 times) ......then glued these on with the industrial glue he sent.

I'm still laughing!!!!!!

dwost
08-17-2014, 08:13 PM
That's classic, too funny!
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slopecarver
08-18-2014, 09:52 AM
I'm a mechanical engineer so I like to engineer things.... This is an interesting case for me so hear me out.

Simple Version Ingredients:
1 control lever mounted switch
1 12VDC pneumatic valve
1 pressure regulator
1 12VDC compressor & small storage tank
1 air cylinder with about 2" of stroke and about 100 LB actuating force at 100 PSI

I think you can see where I'm going with this but if you don't, control mounted switch wired to pneumatic valve, pneumatic valve supplied pressure by the compressor/tank and plumbed in series to the regulator and to the air cylinder which is connected between the frame of the machine and the frame of the striping kit. Wire it so that when the switch is depressed or flipped on depending on which style switch you have the striping kit is pressed to the ground with a regulated mount of air pressure by the air cylinder. When switch released or off the air cylinder retracts lifting the striping rollers off of the lawn.

The regulator acts to allow adjustable striping pressure without adding weight to the mower while allowing contour following with a constant force.

If you want is simpler then mount a manual air valve on the machine with a spring detent for the activated position. thus removing all electrical aside from the compressor power.

If you want a more complicated "automatic" version then remove the control mounted switch and install two switches that are closed only when both control levers are forward of neutral.

Want it more complicated yet? Add a 3 position switch that allows on/auto/off modes, on bypassing the control switches and closing the circuit, auto pass-through to allow the control switched to operate normally, and off to raise the striping kit all the time (trailer loading, gravel driveways etc)

Maybe I should construct a kit like this for sale.

dwost
08-18-2014, 10:35 AM
I'm a mechanical engineer so I like to engineer things.... This is an interesting case for me so hear me out.

Simple Version Ingredients:
1 control lever mounted switch
1 12VDC pneumatic valve
1 pressure regulator
1 12VDC compressor & small storage tank
1 air cylinder with about 2" of stroke and about 100 LB actuating force at 100 PSI

I think you can see where I'm going with this but if you don't, control mounted switch wired to pneumatic valve, pneumatic valve supplied pressure by the compressor/tank and plumbed in series to the regulator and to the air cylinder which is connected between the frame of the machine and the frame of the striping kit. Wire it so that when the switch is depressed or flipped on depending on which style switch you have the striping kit is pressed to the ground with a regulated mount of air pressure by the air cylinder. When switch released or off the air cylinder retracts lifting the striping rollers off of the lawn.

The regulator acts to allow adjustable striping pressure without adding weight to the mower while allowing contour following with a constant force.

If you want is simpler then mount a manual air valve on the machine with a spring detent for the activated position. thus removing all electrical aside from the compressor power.

If you want a more complicated "automatic" version then remove the control mounted switch and install two switches that are closed only when both control levers are forward of neutral.

Want it more complicated yet? Add a 3 position switch that allows on/auto/off modes, on bypassing the control switches and closing the circuit, auto pass-through to allow the control switched to operate normally, and off to raise the striping kit all the time (trailer loading, gravel driveways etc)

Maybe I should construct a kit like this for sale.


Love it, please build this as I don't have time to do it :):drinkup:

slopecarver
08-18-2014, 11:46 AM
Love it, please build this as I don't have time to do it :):drinkup:

I don't own a mower.

hflores3
08-18-2014, 12:51 PM
I'm a mechanical engineer so I like to engineer things.... This is an interesting case for me so hear me out.

Simple Version Ingredients:
1 control lever mounted switch
1 12VDC pneumatic valve
1 pressure regulator
1 12VDC compressor & small storage tank
1 air cylinder with about 2" of stroke and about 100 LB actuating force at 100 PSI

I think you can see where I'm going with this but if you don't, control mounted switch wired to pneumatic valve, pneumatic valve supplied pressure by the compressor/tank and plumbed in series to the regulator and to the air cylinder which is connected between the frame of the machine and the frame of the striping kit. Wire it so that when the switch is depressed or flipped on depending on which style switch you have the striping kit is pressed to the ground with a regulated mount of air pressure by the air cylinder. When switch released or off the air cylinder retracts lifting the striping rollers off of the lawn.

The regulator acts to allow adjustable striping pressure without adding weight to the mower while allowing contour following with a constant force.

If you want is simpler then mount a manual air valve on the machine with a spring detent for the activated position. thus removing all electrical aside from the compressor power.

If you want a more complicated "automatic" version then remove the control mounted switch and install two switches that are closed only when both control levers are forward of neutral.

Want it more complicated yet? Add a 3 position switch that allows on/auto/off modes, on bypassing the control switches and closing the circuit, auto pass-through to allow the control switched to operate normally, and off to raise the striping kit all the time (trailer loading, gravel driveways etc)

Maybe I should construct a kit like this for sale.

Awesome!! But way beyond my technical / engineering capabilities!

Shoot - my southern engineering approach was to use an ATV winch; hit the button to lift; hit the button again to release. Some fabbing required.

I wish I had your mechanical engineering skills! I would have some cool hot rods in my garage!!

Any help you can throw my way for my lawn stripper (that a normal guy like me can do -- would be greatly appreciated though. Really)

slopecarver
08-18-2014, 01:01 PM
Knowing that something is possible is half the battle, and engineering doesn't pay very good where I am. Once everybody has a degree nobody has a degree.