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BlackDog3
03-17-2009, 04:14 PM
Hey Gang, i am going to have a few paver jobs this year and i figured it might be cheaper to get a wet saw then renting one everytime. Thats the same reason i got a wacker this year. So what do you guy use and why?

Chris

Bru75
03-17-2009, 04:56 PM
Stihl ts-400. It's portable, I can use it wet or dry, and it's got plenty of power. Less expensive than a stationary saw, also.

AllHardscaping
03-17-2009, 07:15 PM
ts 400. Had an american bricksaw table saw for a while too.

DVS Hardscaper
03-17-2009, 07:34 PM
There is only 1 wet saw. Thats an EDCO.

kootoomootoo
03-17-2009, 07:56 PM
There is only 1 wet saw. Thats an EDCO.

no there's not.

mrusk
03-17-2009, 08:17 PM
Best wet saw is no wet saw at all.

LB1234
03-17-2009, 08:23 PM
Best wet saw is no wet saw at all.

wasn't aware of that....who makes it?

riverwalklandscaping
03-17-2009, 09:22 PM
lol


anyways The Husq K960 works great.

How much did you pay for your wacker... That's one of those things I just havn't found a used one around yet because they are two expensive for something that looks so much like it should cost 250$.

BlackDog3
03-17-2009, 09:40 PM
I will check those brands out. I bought it for 400 bucks used. I figured it cost me 350 a week to rent one. Last project i had i needed it everyday but i only tamped everytime i made a new layer. So it was worth it to me.

Chris

DVS Hardscaper
03-17-2009, 10:15 PM
lets be reaistic, fellas.

How many professional painters do you know that have just one ladder???

You need 2 saws. A hand held (Stihl), and a table saw.

There is no way you can miter PERFECT wall caps and step treads WITHOUT a table saw.

The EPA is in the process of making dust collection laws go into effect. It's hard to collect dust with a hand held saw :)

Luckily, EDCO is prepared!

riverwalklandscaping
03-17-2009, 11:18 PM
Yeah I mean having two is nice, but I think for a beginner, I'd start with a hand held first.

No offense to the EPA, but a good luck enforcing that rule.

vtscaper
03-18-2009, 08:13 PM
We run almost all Stihl handheld equipment. The ts 400 is a nice saw, seems to be a tank, I like the ergonomics and it always starts. Really though I would take into consideration who will be available to maintain it. If your current dealer/small engine service that you have a good relationship with only services Husky, Partner or whatever than you might want to take a look at those brands.

mhilton
03-18-2009, 10:10 PM
When you have a bunch of dust flying around and it gets all over your customers property it really looks unprofessional. And if you can not afford a wet saw yet, you should convert you cut off saw to a hudson sprayer and use that until you have the right funds

BlackDog3
03-18-2009, 10:33 PM
I saw this wet saw, i remember my old boss's had this one when they first started. I know its on the sears website but i was just wondering what you guys thought about it

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00926900000P?vName=Tools&keyword=wet+saw

BlackDog3
03-18-2009, 10:51 PM
Or i guess this would work too

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00990949000P?mv=rr

Bru75
03-18-2009, 11:31 PM
When you have a bunch of dust flying around and it gets all over your customers property it really looks unprofessional. And if you can not afford a wet saw yet, you should convert you cut off saw to a hudson sprayer and use that until you have the right funds

Most handhelds that I have seen have a water hookup, these saws when used wet make a mess though. The one my Stihl came with was plastic and really cheesy, I replaced it with a brass quick coupler.
I don't think this is bieng unprofessional, I explain to the customer that this is construction and there will be dust, noise, mud, etc., that I will try to keep to a minimum. If the dust will be an issue, or if the neibors are close, I use water. The rest of the time I cut dry.
Takes to long for pavers to dry before using polysand.
Just my opinion.

ozarkearthworks
03-19-2009, 02:37 AM
Just picked up a TS 400 today. $250. Looks and runs like a new one off of the shelf. :)
Score of the month.
Have been waiting on that kind of deal for over a year...

mhilton
03-19-2009, 07:43 AM
Yeah they have a hose hook up that makes way to much of a mess and way to much water so that is why we convert them over to a pump sprayer, less water and a much less of a mess

BOEpavers
03-19-2009, 11:04 AM
I agree with DVS. If you are going to be serious about paver/wall work you need both a table saw and a handheld cutoff saw. They both have their place. Dust is a very serious issue and we have areas we work in (municipalities and HOA's) that require dust collection or avoidance. We always cut wet with the table saws (Edco) and 99% of the time with the Stihl TS460's. Sure, cutting wet is messy, but in addition to compliance with the laws cutting wet avoids dust all over the customers house and belongings, dust in your lungs (yes we still wear masks), longer life for the diamond blades, etc.

BOEpavers
03-19-2009, 11:08 AM
Regarding too much water from the hose connect on the handhelds - we have converted our Stihls to Brass quick-connects also and on the male end that attaches to the hose we place one of those hose shut-off valves. Serves two purposes - can regulate the flow of water and also can shut it off at the saw if you want to disconnect to go cut something quick in place.

mhilton
03-19-2009, 11:13 AM
yeah but if there is no water available onsite

BlackDog3
03-19-2009, 12:56 PM
I guess hand saws are an option for me, but i was really looking for a table wet saw. I think its gonna be between the MK and Felker brand saws. There are a few of them on craigslist varying in price.

Chris

soopa
03-19-2009, 05:11 PM
For pavers I use a TS400 hand held almost exclusively. For wall block I use a gas MK 2000 Pro table saw.

I can't imagine cutting pavers exclusively with a table saw... what a waste of time. Conversely, I can't imagine getting acceptable cuts on wall block with just a hand held.

I also rarely cut wet anymore. It just makes too much of a mess.

Whatever you do, just make sure you get a good blade. I started out using ~$100-150 economy blades and changed them like I change my clothes. It didn't take long to realize that the top quality ~$300 blades last a hell of a lot longer and cut a hell of a lot faster.

mrusk
03-19-2009, 07:50 PM
For pavers I use a TS400 hand held almost exclusively. For wall block I use a gas MK 2000 Pro table saw.

I can't imagine cutting pavers exclusively with a table saw... what a waste of time. Conversely, I can't imagine getting acceptable cuts on wall block with just a hand held.

I also rarely cut wet anymore. It just makes too much of a mess.

Whatever you do, just make sure you get a good blade. I started out using ~$100-150 economy blades and changed them like I change my clothes. It didn't take long to realize that the top quality ~$300 blades last a hell of a lot longer and cut a hell of a lot faster.

NOT TRUE!

I buy the 100 dollar blades from joe wizard garden state diamound blades. They are cheap and last forever.

Bru75
03-19-2009, 08:13 PM
I use $130 blades with no problems.

DVS Hardscaper
03-19-2009, 08:27 PM
Our 14" blades are 'turbo segmented'.

They cost $225 each.

And they last longer than anything else we've ever used.

DVS Hardscaper
03-19-2009, 08:30 PM
As far as the EPA enforcing laws, of course that'll never happen.

But what will happen is the EPA will mandate that the manufacturers equip their machinery appropriately.

kootoomootoo
03-19-2009, 08:55 PM
are the blades you guys use any good for cutting granite.

Bru75
03-19-2009, 10:35 PM
are the blades you guys use any good for cutting granite.

Probably not. I'll try a peice and let you know. I have cut quartzite, and my $130 blade was pretty slow. Slices through concrete, limestone, and sandstone, though.

soopa
03-20-2009, 01:51 AM
yep. i've cut 1.5" granite slab with no trouble.

denver 2
03-20-2009, 06:24 AM
I found a great table saw thats light, well made and cuts dry and wet and comes with it own stand. It is call LPX3M by Lackmond. The best part is one man can lift it with no problem for transport. The saw works great! I still use the TS400 on quartzite bluestone, but for brick the table saw. Here is a link to purchase one, http://www.toolsdir.com/shopping/products.asp?id=28

soopa
03-20-2009, 11:23 AM
yep. same'ish. last forever. i have no experience with rusks blades...

mrusk
03-22-2009, 03:57 PM
They can take my demo saw from my cold dead hands.

kootoomootoo
03-22-2009, 09:13 PM
They can take my demo saw from my cold dead hands.

Translation in English .

thanks Matt.

M & D Lawn
04-04-2009, 10:20 AM
We have used this saw for almost 10 years, it works great for smaller pavers, but any oversized pavers or wall units it is a pita. If your doing mostly pavers, I would reccommend it.

Bru75
04-06-2009, 09:46 AM
are the blades you guys use any good for cutting granite.

Cut some granite curbing last week (4" x 8" x 11" pieces). The blade did fine, but I would want a better blade if I had to cut a lot of granite.