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mitchgo
03-20-2009, 12:06 AM
So my boss and 3 of us attended the annual meeting yesterday in Bellevue, Wa.

I Have to say I was not much impressed with the meeting :(

There was about 100 people there, about 85% of them were CCS ( Cross Connection Specialists) with a couple back flow testers and the rest were back flow brands advertising their products.

It lasted about 3 hours and not much was accomplished. I was by far the youngest guy there.

First.
This guy gave a 30 min ( HORRIBLE) presentation on a program he is making for invoicing and reporting back flow tests ( Which Our company has had our own for 6 years now.)
Then for a good hour the whole entire group were arguing about how the Back Flow Report should be submitted and how the format / style of the testing report should look.. Which I thought we already had a standardized form that works great for all water districts..
I tuned that out because I thought it was ridiculous to nit pick extremely little items on a Annual meeting...

For the last hour a couple CCS came up and discussed what they expect from back flow testers and filling out the report correctly.

There are a few things I did gain. That our company are picking up a few new tools we found from the catalogs.

Also I grabbed all the back flow assembly Tech Specs for almost all brands which is awesome I have some great reading material now.


I Also heard for backflow testing in California you must be certified in all 9 counties to test vs up here in washington I can test anywhere up here with my single cert.

unit28
03-20-2009, 08:41 AM
In TX we had to be registered in every city.
And there were lots of testers from every nich you could think of. I think even the local mailman was a licensed tester. But none the less, you had to be licensed through state, not just certified. After testing you submitted back to that city.

This is the report we submit to Ft Worth. in PDF, if you're interested.
http://www.fortworthgov.org/uploadedFiles/Water/backflowtestsht(3).pdf

One last thing, if you ever get disacouraged at a meeting, either start asking questions while you're there, or yell fire...LOL

ARGOS
03-20-2009, 09:46 AM
I Also heard for backflow testing in California you must be certified in all 9 counties to test vs up here in washington I can test anywhere up here with my single cert.

9 counties? Which 9? Do you mean all 58? My understanding is that I can test in CA and NV.

mitchgo
03-20-2009, 11:33 AM
hahah

Yeah I have no clue..

This guy came up and was like be lucky your not in california they have to be certified in all 9 counties!

I guess he was wrong

dlee1996
03-20-2009, 08:01 PM
What is required in different states as far as how the backflow has to be installed. Do other states aside from Texas allow the backflow to be installed below grade submerged?

irritation
03-20-2009, 08:42 PM
What is required in different states as far as how the backflow has to be installed. Do other states aside from Texas allow the backflow to be installed below grade submerged?

Each type of backflow device has it's own requirements on how it's installed.
A DCVA is allowed to be installed below grade, but it's also not toxic rated and should not be acceptable for irrigation.

dlee1996
03-20-2009, 09:05 PM
Each type of backflow device has it's own requirements on how it's installed.
A DCVA is allowed to be installed below grade, but it's also not toxic rated and should not be acceptable for irrigation.

What manufacture recommends putting a double check below grade where it can be submerged. I have e-mailed them all and have not heard of one that would recommend installing a double check where it can be submerged.

irritation
03-20-2009, 09:13 PM
:laugh:
Yea, I wouldn't ever, they are a ***** to test and the handles rot off in no time.

mitchgo
03-21-2009, 03:39 AM
Each type of backflow device has it's own requirements on how it's installed.
A DCVA is allowed to be installed below grade, but it's also not toxic rated and should not be acceptable for irrigation.

Every state has different regulations. Here in Washington irrigation is considered low hazard unless you have some sort fertilizer thing installed with it. I say probably 95% of systems that have back flow assemblies installed here for irrigation are double check assemblies. With annual requirements to be tested and repaired.

What manufacture recommends putting a double check below grade where it can be submerged. I have e-mailed them all and have not heard of one that would recommend installing a double check where it can be submerged.

A double box with 1" rock at the bottom can go a long way.

mitchgo
03-21-2009, 03:44 AM
This is the report we submit to Ft Worth. in PDF, if you're interested.
http://www.fortworthgov.org/uploadedFiles/Water/backflowtestsht(3).pdf


That report looks fine. The CCS people were arguing where the psi reading should be ect... All these little stupid things in my opinion.

I don't have an official form because we send all of our reports through email but ours looks like this

Wet_Boots
03-21-2009, 07:43 AM
No manufacturer is going to recomment below-grade installations, but they are there all the same. I've shoehorned DCVA's into meter pits, long ago, using stainless-steel-handled ball valves.

Mike Leary
03-21-2009, 09:38 AM
Generally, those meetings were not so much a zoo with reps, etc., but I'm glad you made it. Go to some of the others if you can.