Is a Pesticide Ban here necessary?

[Smallaxe]

If we were to exercise wise use of pesticides; would a ban be inevitable, anyways?

[Kiril]

If we were to exercise wise use of pesticides

This is an unrealistic expectation as long as pesticides are available to the general public.
Do you think the chem companies are going to pull their products off of retail shelves?
The only thing they are concerned about is profit margin .... and the more product you use, the more profit they make.

[ICT Bill]

This is an unrealistic expectation as long as pesticides are available to the general public.
Do you think the chem companies are going to pull their products off of retail shelves?
The only thing they are concerned about is profit margin .... and the more product you use, the more profit they make.

The law in Ontario was done spefically to pull pesticides from the retail shelves. It is being fought in court so we will see what happens
There are some loopholes and it does not pertain to Ag or sports/golf turf

It became a water quality issue, when weighing the fact that the provence was literally allowing the population to be poisoned from its water sources outweighed the fact the an industry may be harmed.

The EPA report from 1991-2005 said much the same 97% of water tested from municipal water sources waas contaminated and 11% of those were so contaminated that they should not be used for human consumption.

Every spring water sources that use the mississippi river are closed off as the atrazine/nitrogen cloud moves south from Ag. They resume when the levels go down

I do believe that this will be regulated much more, not because it is the "green" thing but because the government agencies are sitting back when the population is literally being poisoned. Not good for PR or becoming reelected

[Kiril]

I do believe that this will be regulated much more, not because it is the "green" thing but because the government agencies are sitting back when the population is literally being poisoned. Not good for PR or becoming reelected

But don't you see .... this is a good thing because it then leads to medical conditions that require treatment, which is good for the pharms and corrupt health care industry.

It's all good .... the almighty dollar take precedence over any other concern, including human life and environmental health. :rolleyes:

[Smallaxe]

But don't you see .... this is a good thing because it then leads to medical conditions that require treatment, which is good for the pharms and corrupt health care industry. ...

:laugh: That is too funny. :laugh:
"We better be sure to prop up one industry, if we hamper another."

Bill,

You seem to be on top of the Canadian thing...

Are you just talking smack, or - what are you reading? :)

[treegal1]

But don't you see .... this is a good thing because it then leads to medical conditions that require treatment, which is good for the pharms and corrupt health care industry.

It's all good .... the almighty dollar take precedence over any other concern, including human life and environmental health. :rolleyes:
bingo!!!! always F the little guy's

yeah ban it for sure

[ICT Bill]

:laugh: That is too funny. :laugh:
"We better be sure to prop up one industry, if we hamper another."

Bill,

You seem to be on top of the Canadian thing...

Are you just talking smack, or - what are you reading? :)
HEY TG, you Okay? didn't get a chance to get to the east coast this trip, I'll catch up to you next time

We have been working for the last year to import our products into canada, so I have been reading a lot of canadian law lately.
we also work with many canadian lawn companies that are smack in the middle of the debate as well

[Smallaxe]

HEY TG, you Okay? didn't get a chance to get to the east coast this trip, I'll catch up to you next time

We have been working for the last year to import our products into canada, so I have been reading a lot of canadian law lately.
we also work with many canadian lawn companies that are smack in the middle of the debate as well

Ok... that makes sense...
Is there a successful move into organics or does everyone just pull weeds for 10 minutes now?

Good to hear from you TG. :) Little surprised at your answer though. :laugh:

[ICT Bill]

Ok... that makes sense...
Is there a successful move into organics or does everyone just pull weeds for 10 minutes now?

Good to hear from you TG. :) Little surprised at your answer though. :laugh:

The lawn companies basically have no choice, they are all organic whether you like it or not. Organic is not a niche anymore in ON

Many are scrambling for answers, others have moved over the last year or so to different cultural practices. all are affected
most of the tools that they are used to having have been taken away

we will see after the politicians get through with all of the lobbying dollars that are being thrown at them right now from large fertilizer and chemical companies. ON has messed with some of the big money chem companies, they will not take it lying down

The interesting thing will be if the actual issue stays in the minds of the ones that lead
The government is allowing companies to distribute products that, because of their use, are poisoning the water that supplies most of the population, Do you allow, knowingly, your population to be poisoned???

We will see

[Kiril]

The interesting thing will be if the actual issue stays in the minds of the ones that lead
The government is allowing companies to distribute products that, because of their use, are poisoning the water that supplies most of the population, Do you allow, knowingly, your population to be poisoned???

Our government has been using the general public as guinea pigs for many, many decades.
If it's OK for American's, then it should be OK for the rest of the world. :laugh:

[Smallaxe]

Our government has been using the general public as guinea pigs for many, many decades.
If it's OK for American's, then it should be OK for the rest of the world. :laugh:

I agree, However, in this case:
Did the big money chemical companies throw their product , excessively, even recklessly onto areas that pollute the public water?

Or was it done by the people themselves?

Did the universities put on classes that taught lco squirt and fert group how to use the chemicals as tools to grow a lawn to maturity in order to reducing the input for a healthier lawn?

I agree that we should not need big gov't protecting us from ourselves, but the more I understand about the mindset of the typical sqirt and fert guy... perhaps we do.
Who said? "Those who are not governed from within , shall be governed from without."

[bicmudpuppy]

Guys, for me its a moot point. Government FOR the people died back in the 19th century. Now, it is Government to perpetuate Government, and the big synthetic and pharmaceuticals are all playing the game better than we will ever have a chance at. Bayer is both a synthetic chem manufacturer and a drug company. I avoid ANY product with their label on it. I would have to look up the reference, but Bayer actually paid Hitler's Germany to do drug testing for them. HUMAN testing!! But, they were just paying for information, no actual crime in that.

[Smallaxe]

Guys, for me its a moot point. Government FOR the people died back in the 19th century. Now, it is Government to perpetuate Government, and the big synthetic and pharmaceuticals are all playing the game better than we will ever have a chance at. Bayer is both a synthetic chem manufacturer and a drug company. I avoid ANY product with their label on it. I would have to look up the reference, but Bayer actually paid Hitler's Germany to do drug testing for them. HUMAN testing!! But, they were just paying for information, no actual crime in that.

We don't select politicians from the group of people we know and trust. We select from a group that has been selected - for the selection process.

I had for force myself to go and vote. But that is taking us off topic. :)

It is possible that with a chemical ban, we might relearn, Horticulture?

- OR - :laugh: How did grass survive, for thousands of years, without the help of Monsanto?