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touhey33
03-26-2009, 08:17 PM
I was thinking the other day, that I wish you had to be liscensed to have a lawn maintenance business. I know you have to be liscensed for herbicides and pesticides, but it would be nice for anyone in this business to have to apply for a liscense for mowing and general maintenance.

JB1
03-26-2009, 08:31 PM
............no.......

mowerbrad
03-26-2009, 08:35 PM
I think as long as you are paying your taxes and have commercial insurance, then you are fine. Would you have to take a test to get the license? Most of the reason behind having to have the license for pesticides/fert is so that it is mixed, applied, disposed, and handled properly and safely.

luis@NJ
03-26-2009, 08:38 PM
I believe in my state they are trying to do that. I hope they dont because by the time im 18 and get all the paperwork and stuff i wont meet the requirements. UGHHhh lol

Jersey Shore Landscaping
03-26-2009, 08:48 PM
in nj we have a general contractor license its like 150 a year and all you have to do is show proof of insurance and tax certificat and post your number on the trucks makes it easy to see who isnt insured. the problem is the state dont nothing to inforce it

Whitey4
03-26-2009, 08:48 PM
In my county... $450 gets you a consumer affairs license. Without it, you are illegal and your trucks and equipment are subject to siezure.

david shumaker
03-26-2009, 08:58 PM
Anyone who is self-employed does have to have a business license, pay gross receipt taxes, etc. There are different categories of licenses, but you are suppose to have a license.

ed2hess
03-26-2009, 09:33 PM
Short answer is NO and NO!

jeffex
03-26-2009, 09:34 PM
The home improvement test to be licensed in MD has no specific questions about trade skills. It is all about contract law and making sure you know how to pay the state. One of the many reasons I love this business is it is truly a free market supply and demand business. We are in a tough enough economic time that any barrier to entry to starting a business is wrong IMO. If your goal is to possibly weed out lowballers and those without knowledge I don't see any government agency capable of that . They just attach a fee and add to the operating cost of business. If you want to compete with lowballers step up your game . Be careful of wishing for the gov. to solve your problems. Once you create the lawn business police and they prevent new start ups they will come after YOU because of some new made up regulation they enacted to milk more money out of YOU. Insurance and maybe a business lisc. OK but "gubbamint" is a business killer NOT a business maker. No socialist please ! I have seen many posts over the years just like this one. There ore those that "get in" and want to keep others out. They want some rule, regulation, or agency to protect them from competition. I must say it is a natural human condition. Like people who move out of one neighborhood because it went down hill and they move to another area. They then try and re-create the same socialist environment in the new neighborhood and low and behold it goes down hill too. Jeeze...maybe their socialist mentality is the reason things go bad , not the neighborhood! stand your own ground and COMPETE with service, smart business practices ,and ingenuity and you'll not need the "gubbamint" to save you !

touhey33
03-26-2009, 09:34 PM
Im insured, pay taxes, my business name is registred, I just wish that companies were required to have a licenes which shows you are legit, maybe have a certificate. To get the license you would have to pay a small annual fee, provide proof of insurance, etc... That way not every one and their mom could start up without going through those procedures.

topsites
03-26-2009, 09:35 PM
Hell we can't even get the kids to finish high school, and that is the law, too.
Who goes to jail for this, what now, reform school?
What good does it do, they just run off get their GED thinking it's all the same,
there haha and whoop-dee look ma and pa, I am finished, done!

Girls, boys, it doesn't matter, all they want is around age 14 or so is to have sex so as to get pregnant and have babies
so then go and get married and have all that horse crap out of the way say, by ninth grade at the latest.

Yeah, I know that's horrible, but what can we do?
Try and tell them, best we can, but if they don't listen...

Wish them well, send them on their way, what we've always done.

MnDLawn
03-26-2009, 09:38 PM
NO, I swear, one more license, fee, or tax and I'm going to scream.

touhey33
03-26-2009, 09:41 PM
The home improvement test to be licensed in MD has no specific questions about trade skills. It is all about contract law and making sure you know how to pay the state. One of the many reasons I love this business is it is truly a free market supply and demand business. We are in a tough enough economic time that any barrier to entry to starting a business is wrong IMO. If your goal is to possibly weed out lowballers and those without knowledge I don't see any government agency capable of that . They just attach a fee and add to the operating cost of business. If you want to compete with lowballers step up your game . Be careful of wishing for the gov. to solve your problems. Once you create the lawn business police and they prevent new start ups they will come after YOU because of some new made up regulation they enacted to milk more money out of YOU. Insurance and maybe a business lisc. OK but "gubbamint" is a business killer NOT a business maker. No socialist please ! I have seen many posts over the years just like this one. There ore those that "get in" and want to keep others out. They want some rule, regulation, or agency to protect them from competition. I must say it is a natural human condition. Like people who move out of one neighborhood because it went down hill and they move to another area. They then try and re-create the same socialist environment in the new neighborhood and low and behold it goes down hill too. Jeeze...maybe their socialist mentality is the reason things go bad , not the neighborhood! stand your own ground and COMPETE with service, smart business practices ,and ingenuity and you'll not need the "gubbamint" to save you !

I don't want to prevent anyone from getting into the business, I just think if you are going to get into the business you should be legit. Pay taxes, get insured, etc...

JB1
03-26-2009, 09:45 PM
I don't want to prevent anyone from getting into the business, I just think if you are going to get into the business you should be legit. Pay taxes, get insured, etc...



and how would a license help.

jeffex
03-26-2009, 09:47 PM
Im insured, pay taxes, my business name is registred, I just wish that companies were required to have a licenes which shows you are legit, maybe have a certificate. To get the license you would have to pay a small annual fee, provide proof of insurance, etc... That way not every one and their mom could start up without going through those procedures.

I am by no means picking a fight with you on this but did you get those things before you mowed your first lawn or after you started to grow and get things going. I looked at state and local mowing contracts and even went to a seminar on bidding. I can do the work ..no problem . what I don't want is the BS . If red tape is where you want to go moving into this area might be what you want. There is plenty of barrier to entry to be in compliance as you fully indemnify and hold harmless the municipality for any errors on your part and plenty of rules and regs. too. No thanks for me. I just like to cut lawns .

jeffex
03-26-2009, 09:55 PM
I don't want to prevent anyone from getting into the business, I just think if you are going to get into the business you should be legit. Pay taxes, get insured, etc...

totally agree! I believe that a far greater problem is the illegal immigrant business or business that hires illegals that makes it hard for a business like yours that is legit to compete on bidding . The same goverment that you want to regulate this industry looks the other way for political reasons at illegal workers and even use your legitimate tax dollars to fund organizations like CASA de Maryland to advocate for rights of illegal immagrants.

touhey33
03-26-2009, 09:58 PM
I am by no means picking a fight with you on this but did you get those things before you mowed your first lawn or after you started to grow and get things going. I looked at state and local mowing contracts and even went to a seminar on bidding. I can do the work ..no problem . what I don't want is the BS . If red tape is where you want to go moving into this area might be what you want. There is plenty of barrier to entry to be in compliance as you fully indemnify and hold harmless the municipality for any errors on your part and plenty of rules and regs. too. No thanks for me. I just like to cut lawns .

I did get insurance and register my name as well as pay taxes the first year I started my business. Im not saying make it hard, but I think its a good idea to have to register with the county or state you work in, and pay maybe a small liscense fee of like $30 dollars.

jeffex
03-26-2009, 10:06 PM
I did get insurance and register my name as well as pay taxes the first year I started my business. Im not saying make it hard, but I think its a good idea to have to register with the county or state you work in, and pay maybe a small liscense fee of like $30 dollars.

no arguments here on that! I just don't want to move towards the lawn police!

ALC-GregH
03-26-2009, 10:08 PM
I did get insurance and register my name as well as pay taxes the first year I started my business. Im not saying make it hard, but I think its a good idea to have to register with the county or state you work in, and pay maybe a small license fee of like $30 dollars.

You must be doing this part time and work for the government full time.

I just paid $40 to register my name just so I can plant a freakin tree. The government gets enough of my/our money, why in hell would you want to give them more?

ALC-GregH
03-26-2009, 10:17 PM
Maybe your still mad that someone else bid lower then you and you didn't get the job.

touhey33
03-26-2009, 10:31 PM
I don't want to start an argument, I just wanted to see what everyones else opinion of this was, as I was thinking about it. That is the point of this forum is to share views and opinions.

topsites
03-26-2009, 10:45 PM
totally agree! I believe that a far greater problem is the illegal immigrant business or business that hires illegals that makes it hard for a business like yours that is legit to compete on bidding

Yes but regulation doesn't stop that, it is already illegal!

So what some of us are saying is how is yet another license going to fix anything.
I'm all with those guys, one more effing requirement from me and I'm going to be illegal :p

topsites
03-26-2009, 10:45 PM
totally agree! I believe that a far greater problem is the illegal immigrant business or business that hires illegals that makes it hard for a business like yours that is legit to compete on bidding

Right, so regulation doesn't stop that, it is already illegal.

So I'm with the trend of how is yet another license going to fix anything.

I don't want to start an argument, I just wanted to see what everyones else opinion of this was, as I was thinking about it. That is the point of this forum is to share views and opinions.

It's all good, just a hot topic it seems.

Richard Martin
03-27-2009, 04:12 AM
Anyone who is self-employed does have to have a business license, pay gross receipt taxes, etc. There are different categories of licenses, but you are suppose to have a license.

It must be a Virginia thing. No license required in either Maryland or North Carolina. As long as you pay your income and business property taxes (there's a threshold in MD, most smaller operators are exempt) these states don't care whether you cut grass or not.

jeffex
03-27-2009, 05:08 AM
I don't want to start an argument, I just wanted to see what every ones else opinion of this was, as I was thinking about it. That is the point of this forum is to share views and opinions.

this is what I believe as well. I will defend my views on this forum without spite and malice. A hot topic shouldn't lead to name calling but a civil discussion of different viewpoints. I am a free market capitalist. I'm not for the wild wild west do what you want times but limited big brother. capitalism with a conscience! I believe there is politics in everything we do. It should just be done with a little more class.

Sweet Tater
03-27-2009, 04:19 PM
Im insured, pay taxes, my business name is registred, I just wish that companies were required to have a licenes which shows you are legit, maybe have a certificate. To get the license you would have to pay a small annual fee, provide proof of insurance, etc... That way not every one and their mom could start up without going through those procedures.

tell ya what, send me $150 a year and I will make you a really perty certificate that says you can drive a lawn mower and line trim in your state.
also include your insurance number and all that so it will be ligit.

this is not a skilled profession in the Governments eyes or nearly anyone elses, we being in the biz know its not as unskilled as it seems. However why do you want the gonvernment to regulate yet another part of our lives. are you not paying enough taxes, fees and other stuff yet? send your extra money to me. ;)

tinman
03-27-2009, 07:07 PM
I was thinking the other day, that I wish you had to be liscensed to have a lawn maintenance business. I know you have to be liscensed for herbicides and pesticides, but it would be nice for anyone in this business to have to apply for a liscense for mowing and general maintenance.
I am sorry but you are just trying to use another group (govt) to keep your competition out. Why not just outwork & outsmart the competition? What is the difference between your local city requiring a license to mow lawns and a mobster requiring $100 a month not to beat you up for mowing in his "town"?

ChristianJ318
03-28-2009, 02:47 AM
I own a small real estate title abstracting business and handle roughly a million dollars worth of real estate transactions daily from my home office. The only license requirement to perform this work in my state is a $50 occupational license which only purpose is to allow me to work out of my personal residence that I already pay city and parish taxes on every December. To start a lawn service, I had to get another $50 occupational license for the same damn address.. Mowing and title abstracting are both highly skilled trades, imo. I'm still in beginning phases of the lc business and have much to learn but, I do know one wrong move on a mower or a simple mispelling of a name could be disasterous. That said, its not much difference in driving a car. Just because you are issued a driver's license does not mean you are a professional driver. We all see people everyday that should not be driving but they have a license and because of which, it is their right to operate a vehicle. If the states and government cant regulate drivers licensing, they certainly cant handle checking everyone with a mower strapped in the back of there car/truck. Sorry for writing a book here but, its my opinion that just because you could obtain a license, if it were required does not make you a professional. The ones that do not have any knowledge, experience, or provide good services will likely fall off. True professionals show it through their work and customer service.

jeffex
03-28-2009, 04:57 AM
I've learned more on this site and the Internet in general about methods and practices for my business than any gov. run testing or lisc. program would ever do for me. COMPETITION and the drive to get customers motivated me to learn. That is a FREE MARKET rule of survival of the fittest! I wouldn't have it any other way. What many people seem to lack is business experience. Yes, you can put the ole' craftsman in the trunk and make money cutting a few lawns but it takes more to succeed beyond that. I would say the #1 thing I learned is to price my services higher. That is the exact opposite of any start up that believes they have to be the cheapest to get in the door.

Lawn Pawn
03-28-2009, 11:51 AM
You need a license to drive.....
Must be a certain age to buy booze and smokes......
Restraining orders keep people from getting harassed and killed.......
Must be certified/licensed for fertilizing and pest control.........
So licensing for lawn care would level the playing field here to........

In a perfect world all this would work.

tinman
03-31-2009, 09:53 PM
You need a license to drive.....
Must be a certain age to buy booze and smokes......
Restraining orders keep people from getting harassed and killed.......
Must be certified/licensed for fertilizing and pest control.........
So licensing for lawn care would level the playing field here to........

In a perfect world all this would work.
LOL... any idiot can pass a driving test. and a restraining order would not stop someone willing to commit murder?:?:?:

borwicks
03-31-2009, 10:21 PM
sounds like a good idea. but who would monitor it and enforce it. I can see it being all messed up if the government got ahold of this idea. they would charge god only knows what, then never enforce it,,so the same companies doing illegal work today would still be doing it...my own thought.

jmt
04-01-2009, 09:10 AM
some of my lawn buddies want this to happen in the minneapolis area I say no way to more goverment control!!!!!!


Save the USA
Impeach obama

brucec
04-01-2009, 01:25 PM
Just what we need, MORE GOVERNMENT. Aren't we regulated enough. What makes people think that once they have their nose in your business they will stop at just the license. It will never end with this government, especially now that the mesiah is running things. Can't wait until they ruin health care. Can anyone name one thing that the government has their nose into that is not a TOTAL disaster? Just one thing? Everything they touch turns to sh*t! We need less government regulation not more. The economic mess we are in now is completely the governments fault!!! LEAVE US ALONE!!! Other than that they are doing a good job.

brucec
04-01-2009, 01:39 PM
It's really becoming quite clear, reading some of these posts, just how obama got elected. As Regan said "government is the problem"! Everyday congress meets we lose more of our freedoms and liberty! We will all be lucky if were not back to cutting grass with a sickle once obama is done, don't forget to pay a tax on all that carbon dioxide you are exhaling while you are doing it though!!! Just a few years ago I would have argued untill I was blue in the face with people who said that this countries best days are behind her, now I'm not so sure! Anyone else feel that way? It makes me sick to think it now!

cg1
04-02-2009, 12:00 AM
There is absolutely no licensing requirements in Texas for landscape companies outside of pesticides and irrigation. Workers comp and gen liab. insurance is also not required. I am trying to organize with my local municipality and competitors to pass some sort of licensing standard because we are over run with illegals. The problem is that EVERYONE uses them. If you drive down a random wealthy street in our area, you'll see only 1-2 legitimate mowing companies and ten times the number of illegals out on their own. You can't call anyone to report them, you can't convince the homeowners, and you can't compete with them on price. Hell, the smart ones charge more than we do because the homeowner thinks they are getting a deal just because they are Mexicans. When I started mowing over 10 years ago, I was in college and there were a lot of entrepreneurial college students like me that mowed their way through school or at least did it over the summers. Those days are gone and you don't see any kids period. All illegal Mexicans. It is so rampant I'm 100% positive that some of our guys are illegal, even though they provide us with the documentation we need I'd bet the farm on it. There is no end in sight... The big HOA's and commercial around here are even starting to utilize these guys.

jeffex
04-02-2009, 06:14 AM
It's really becoming quite clear, reading some of these posts, just how obama got elected. As Regan said "government is the problem"! Everyday congress meets we lose more of our freedoms and liberty! We will all be lucky if were not back to cutting grass with a sickle once obama is done, don't forget to pay a tax on all that carbon dioxide you are exhaling while you are doing it though!!! Just a few years ago I would have argued untill I was blue in the face with people who said that this countries best days are behind her, now I'm not so sure! Anyone else feel that way? It makes me sick to think it now!

I'm of this same mindset. At a time when our country needs to create new jobs the new Facist / Socialist gov. is trying to decide how private business' are run. They will force GM to build cars that the people don't want. Sales for Hybrid cars have come to a screaching halt now that gas is $2 a gallon. If they want to increase car sales do something about an energy policy and drill for oil and natural gas. Obama will add a gas tax toartificially raise the price of gas so that his "green" cars will sell. Those are good paying jobs that Americans can start working this year. You buy a car because you believe you'll have a job for the next 5 years to make the payment. We in the green industry may be near the bottom when it comes to cap in trade carbon out put tax policies Obama wants to enact but it will put most of us out of business. That is if he doesn't kill our customers ability to afford our services with massive tax increases to pay for his explosion of government before that. We need at least one car company to survive for national security . One company that can ramp up industrial production in the event of war. Ford is treading water on its own dime so far. Let the others sink or swim by market forces and concentrate on putting people back to work in the private sector. I can't wait until next fall when I vote all incumbants out. We need a "son of stimulus" bill filled with pork to be rushed through without reading it due to the economc emergency that has TERM LIMITS FOR CONGRESS on page 687 in itty bitty print. If you don't pay attention to who you vote for your part of the problem. Both parties have sold us down the river.

jeffex
04-02-2009, 06:35 AM
There is absolutely no licensing requirements in Texas for landscape companies outside of pesticides and irrigation. Workers comp and gen liab. insurance is also not required. I am trying to organize with my local municipality and competitors to pass some sort of licensing standard because we are over run with illegals. The problem is that EVERYONE uses them. If you drive down a random wealthy street in our area, you'll see only 1-2 legitimate mowing companies and ten times the number of illegals out on their own. You can't call anyone to report them, you can't convince the homeowners, and you can't compete with them on price. Hell, the smart ones charge more than we do because the homeowner thinks they are getting a deal just because they are Mexicans. When I started mowing over 10 years ago, I was in college and there were a lot of entrepreneurial college students like me that mowed their way through school or at least did it over the summers. Those days are gone and you don't see any kids period. All illegal Mexicans. It is so rampant I'm 100% positive that some of our guys are illegal, even though they provide us with the documentation we need I'd bet the farm on it. There is no end in sight... The big HOA's and commercial around here are even starting to utilize these guys.

Your in a state that is at ground zero geographically. My state has a govoner who felt that attracting illegals was the answer to crime in his major city. He was going to rebuild Baltimore with good ,hard working , predominately catholic, ILLEGAL Ailiens!!!! He created a sanctuary state by issuing drivers liscenses to illegals. He offered them $3,000 towards the purchase of a house in his city and in state tuition for college. Our tax dollars are paying for CASA de Maryland to lobby for illegals rights ( yes you read that right) . They are of significant numbers as to feel comfortable voting and setting up business' in their communities. The county I live in had a growing problem with illegals renting ant they enacted English only laws in those towns. The word got out that carroll county was not a place for illegals to establish and the tide turned. It is political will that makes changes. The representatives of our county acted on the will of the residents and not on "go with the gov" policies. We pay a price as our county is the redheaded step child to the govoner Omigo O'mally but his problems are now cropping up in other counties that welcomed illegals. Gangs, crime, cost overruns in public services...etc....NOW they are acting like its THEIR idea to do something about stemming the illegal tide. Paalease!

Richard Martin
04-02-2009, 06:38 AM
We need at least one car company to survive for national security . One company that can ramp up industrial production in the event of war.

Sorry but that horse got out of the barn the day that I saw my first Cobra intake manifold that said Made In China on the bottom. The very thing that made us win the second world war is now gone to China.

jeffex
04-02-2009, 06:46 AM
I don't want to hijack this thread so I' make this brief. Rm your right but I'm talking about the brick and mortar factories remaining intact with a fast turnaround time to begin to fire up the war machine in the event our enemies see us as vulnerable. It may be industry on life support but it is better than totally putting the minds and materials off shore.. IMO