A comment for everyone

[humble1]

Now is the time of the year where the homeowners like to get rid of their lawn guy and do it themselves.
That lawn guy could be you or me.

I keep seeing posts with not much post history and no region on their post. Clearly it is a homeowner looking for free advice to keep one of us off their lawn. There is a home owner thread for such posts.

I dont mind giving advice to someone who is clearly someone dedicated to their buisness but IMO we should not be telling homeowners our trade secrets, chemicals we use and why, mix ratios etc, and application techniques. I know they can read past posts but why just hand it to them. If it were up to me, and I wish they would do this here like they do on another online lawn forum- no pesticide license = no access to the forum.

[americanlawn]

I hear ya bud. But I figure giving advice is no skin off my back. Main reason: most folks are too lazy & they forget what to do & when. BTW I fit into this category. :laugh:
Sure ---I could cook a "killer pizza", but it's easier to have one delivered.

Still looking for an Osama/Obama joke site.....there has to be many IMO :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[GravelyGuy]

Judging by the number of lawns that I've seen homeowners ruin trying to kill broadleaves with Roundup and the dark green/light green streaks that I see all the time, you shouldn't be worrying.:laugh:

[Think Green]

Humble,
I was wondering the same thing, but since I am real new, I wasn't going to ask too many questions about this site. I know of the site you are referring to, and yes they have a sub-forum for professionals to ask questions. The thing is, the professionals on that site don't converse across the sub-forum, all they do is hash it out publically.
I know that we all disagree on subjects, application methods, mixing procedures, etc, but I haven't taken anything that is challenging to the extreme. This site is full of great people whom are of different experiences and knowledge--that is why I came to this forum.
I occassionally will spill too many beans and most times, I have this urge to tell people things because I talk to professionals everyday in my field and it comes as second nature. I feel that if a consumer does take the initiative to learn some of the basics, we can offer advice, but to tell them every little stitch of our methods isn't necessary.
I think the only reason most want to offer more is to assure to everyone that they are licensed to do the work, since their is no way to tell who is and isn't licensed. Just because we list our names--some are business names and some are catchy phrases like mine-there is no subtitle to our avatars to illustrate to the public that our license numbers and proof was given to the moderators of this site for verification. This is one difference of this site compared to the other. However, I will not come on an open forum with the name of our business (or not) and try to mislead someone wrong. Even if my name was on my public profile, I will not lead anyone wrong. It is easy for anyone to research a product and come on this forum and throw around some lingo and sound professional.

So, what can we do to eliminate this issue? The purpose of this forum is to help people and possibly educate them on products..... Maybe, we shouldn't tell them everything, but help them to figure it out on their own!

[Please_Be_Green]

Whatever...

Homeowners,

If I were you (and I am) I'd never trust a single thread especially on this site. There are way too many hacks here to rely on the information.

Read through the thread. Pick out the key words and follow up with labels and your county's cooperative extension. There is much more reliable sources to depend on when it comes to your turf.

[Whitey4]

Whatever...

Homeowners,

If I were you (and I am) I'd never trust a single thread especially on this site. There are way too many hacks here to rely on the information.

Read through the thread. Pick out the key words and follow up with labels and your county's cooperative extension. There is much more reliable sources to depend on when it comes to your turf.

So then, pray tell, what are YOU doing here?

The green-eco earth safe crap coming out of my extension latey is worthless. That is as far as their "published to the public" nonsense. When I talk to them, it's a very different story.

Never trust a single thread here? You aren't just ignorant, it's worse than that. There are MANY people here who offer good, sound advice. You think the government funded places will be more reliable? LMFAO! At YOU!

[mngrassguy]

LCOs,

If I were you (and I am) I'd always trust most threads on this site. There not many hacks here so you can rely on the information.

Read through the threads. Read and follow up with labels and not your county's cooperative extension. There isn't a more reliable sources to depend on when it comes to your turf.

[Rayholio]

I help canceled customers and potential customers put together their own working programs all the time.. They STILL need me for some of the weed treatments, and other things that they either don't have the equipment for, or can't get the chem for... also, IF they're doing it right (with my advice) then they will quickly realize that our services are usually cheaper than them doing it themselves.. ESPECIALLY if they consider their time investment.

One more thing.. a person dedicated to doing it themselves WILL find a way.. and if they want to do a GOOD JOB.. they'll find a way to do that too.. there are plenty of resources out there to help them without us..

[JDUtah]

Jeffrey Gitomer is a leading sales consultant that gains most if his customers by writing books that 'tell his selling secretes'... take it for what it is worth.

This site might not be the place... but on the phone or face to face with a potential customer... I am TOTALLY going to help them for as long as is reasonable.

[Please_Be_Green]

So then, pray tell, what are YOU doing here?

Please see above... but I'll tell you again... Reading, researching, self educating then going elsewhere to confirm comments within said thread.

Never trust a single thread here? You aren't just ignorant, it's worse than that. There are MANY people here who offer good, sound advice. You think the government funded places will be more reliable? LMFAO! At YOU!

So you're telling me... You believe that a homeowner should come to this site, read one single thread and believe everything that's said within that thread?

If so, who is laughing at who and more-so, at what?

There are people on this site who add to threads, who have no business adding their .02 or even worse sling information just so the average homeowner can't determine which direction is up.

I agree there are some really intelligent people contributing to this site, but it only takes 1 bad apple to ruin the batch.

Therefore, my comment still stands that the average homeowner should not come onto this site, read a single thread, and think they know what they are doing.

I'm not so sure why the OP is even all that concerned. I mean how many home owners own a 30, 50, 100g skid mount to do some of the liquid apps that professionals do? How many of them have a Applicator License to even purchase the RUP products? How many of them would really take the time to purchase, mix, apply, clean equipment?

I also agree that I've spent a hell of a lot more money and time, doing it myself over the last year than I would have if I just kept my service. However, I would have not gained as much knowledge as I have without my attempt, even though I know I have only scratched the surface of turf maintenance.

So thank you lawnsite members for contributing to the site. I'll continue to read and self educate myself and apply my new found knowledge, but know, I'm not relying on a single thread withing lawnsite for my information.

[bug-guy]

where i work home owners are always thinking they can do it better... and i tell them they might be able to, as some have the large national companies.(tongue planted frimly in cheek). but i always tell them just because they applied a bag of fert. they have not done what is considered a pest control service. i always go on to stress experience and knowledge, which they than say well we can get that here! i continue to tell them that if they tell me what is wrong i can sell them a product to help (they can get that here or on google now)... but my sizes are not geared towards home owners, but the thing that amazes me is even if they are willing to pay an extra 30-45% more than i charge my commercial cust. they still do not know how to indentify a problem and calibrate equipment.
I ALWAYS TELL THEM IF THEY ARE NOT HAPPY CALL 3 MORE COMPANIES.
LOOK FOR LOCALLY OWNED AND OPERATED.

[Ric]

Come On

If it is on the Internet It Has Got To be True. Especially if it is on a University Website. :hammerhead::clapping:

[Whitey4]

Please see above... but I'll tell you again... Reading, researching, self educating then going elsewhere to confirm comments within said thread.



So you're telling me... You believe that a homeowner should come to this site, read one single thread and believe everything that's said within that thread?

If so, who is laughing at who and more-so, at what?

There are people on this site who add to threads, who have no business adding their .02 or even worse sling information just so the average homeowner can't determine which direction is up.

I agree there are some really intelligent people contributing to this site, but it only takes 1 bad apple to ruin the batch.

Therefore, my comment still stands that the average homeowner should not come onto this site, read a single thread, and think they know what they are doing.

I'm not so sure why the OP is even all that concerned. I mean how many home owners own a 30, 50, 100g skid mount to do some of the liquid apps that professionals do? How many of them have a Applicator License to even purchase the RUP products? How many of them would really take the time to purchase, mix, apply, clean equipment?

I also agree that I've spent a hell of a lot more money and time, doing it myself over the last year than I would have if I just kept my service. However, I would have not gained as much knowledge as I have without my attempt, even though I know I have only scratched the surface of turf maintenance.

So thank you lawnsite members for contributing to the site. I'll continue to read and self educate myself and apply my new found knowledge, but know, I'm not relying on a single thread withing lawnsite for my information.

Now, you are singing a different tune. Your original comments dod NOT say that any one SINGLE post should be ignored, you flatly said that there was only bad advice and hacks here.

This last post makes all sorts of sense... your first one made you look like an idiot.

[4.3mudder]

Hmm, big headed.