CAT 299C/272C on VTS Pictures

[Johnny-CAT!]

299C just got dropped off today to Demo:) Really curious how it will perform compared to 272C:rolleyes: (pictures taken with Blackberry so not to clear)

[Dirtman2007]

Better bring a few new hoses for that grapple, those will last me a few minutes before getting torn off! Can they be tied up in any way so they are not rubbing the tracks?

[Johnny-CAT!]

well actually they are not rubbing against them...... they have lasted a long time so far.....

[Dirtman2007]

well actually they are not rubbing against them...... they have lasted a long time so far.....

really, I could just see myself getting a oil bath pretty quick lol.

[Junior M]

it sure looks cute with that little bucket.. :laugh:

[G.M]

299C just got dropped off today to Demo:) Really curious how it will perform compared to 272C:rolleyes: (pictures taken with Blackberry so not to clear)
those are some awsome skiddys net:walking::walking::cool2::clapping:

[AWJ Services]

it sure looks cute with that little bucket.. :laugh:


Thats a big bucket for a Cat.:)

[Junior M]

Thats a big bucket for a Cat.:)
Yeah, I am surprised they cant bring that little thing out of a pile straight up, if they put any smaller of a bucket on there it'd be a 5 gallon bucket with some duct tape holding it on.. :laugh:

[stuvecorp]

it sure looks cute with that little bucket.. :laugh:

No doubt, what's up with that?

I feel like I have to give up a Jackson just for looking at the picture.:eek:

[2109 Stang]

Well tell us what's the difference, witch one performs better ? do the VTS has any advantage over the 299?

[stuvecorp]

Well tell us what's the difference, witch one performs better ? do the VTS has any advantage over the 299?

Will be interesting.

[Bleed Green]

What kind of work are you going to be doing when you are demoing these two?

[BigDigger]

Yeah, I am surprised they cant bring that little thing out of a pile straight up, if they put any smaller of a bucket on there it'd be a 5 gallon bucket with some duct tape holding it on.. :laugh:


OK, I think some of you really need to drive one.....

My 246C can dig, curl, lift, lift and curl out of any freaking pile I throw at it.

I lifted a concrete slab 8' ('ish) x 4' by about 8" thick, no prob, straight up. Dig into piles of gravel, I can lift it straight up......

You guys keep harping on this, but I just don't see it.....I have no idea what you guys are doing wrong, but that's what I have decided....:laugh::laugh:

[BigDigger]

I forgot to say, that is a crazy small bucket, but I guess that must be what it was sent with....if you look real close I bet it says Bobcat on it... :)

I run an 84" light material and a pretty big (deep) toothed bucket 72"...

I go away for 1 week and the lunatics are running the asylum.......GEEZ ;):hammerhead:

[Tigerotor77W]

My 246C can dig, curl, lift, lift and curl out of any freaking pile I throw at it.

There's something we're missing. I don't know what it is, but I have definitely been in a C-series that hasn't been able to do anything and a C-series that has had plenty of lift breakout. I don't know if it's an ECM calibration or what... but not everyone's been subjected to the same C-series, that's for sure. I've gotta admit, though, that lift breakout seems pretty weak overall -- especially considering how small those buckets are. I'm hoping Cat addresses it in some update somewhere.

[Junior M]

OK, I think some of you really need to drive one.....

My 246C can dig, curl, lift, lift and curl out of any freaking pile I throw at it.

I lifted a concrete slab 8' ('ish) x 4' by about 8" thick, no prob, straight up. Dig into piles of gravel, I can lift it straight up......

You guys keep harping on this, but I just don't see it.....I have no idea what you guys are doing wrong, but that's what I have decided....:laugh::laugh:

I know what I am doing wrong, not running one, now ou have multiple things that you are doing wrong:

1. You own a CAT..
2. You paid for that piece of garbage..
3. You took me serious..
:laugh: :laugh:

I forgot to say, that is a crazy small bucket, but I guess that must be what it was sent with....if you look real close I bet it says Bobcat on it... :)

I run an 84" light material and a pretty big (deep) toothed bucket 72"...

I go away for 1 week and the lunatics are running the asylum.......GEEZ ;):hammerhead:


Bobcats bucket is a whole lot bigger than that! Bobcat actually puts a bigger bucket on there machines as they get bigger..

and lunatics have been running this place, they were just calmed by the tinfoil hats, that we lost in a severe lightning storm.. :laugh:

[Johnny-CAT!]

Well tell us what's the difference, witch one performs better ? do the VTS has any advantage over the 299?

I think About the only advantage with the VTS is that u can make it back to a "wheel skid steer" if you ever want to....... (any other opinions to that??)

[Junior M]

I think About the only advantage with the VTS is that u can make it back to a "wheel skid steer" if you ever want to....... (any other opinions to that??)
did you compare rebuild prices of the undercarriage on the VTS vs. the CTL?

[Johnny-CAT!]

No i did not.... you are at school yet i'll leave it up to you:laugh:

[Junior M]

No i did not.... you are at school yet i'll leave it up to you:laugh:
Its Saturday, if I am anywhere, its on the couch.. :laugh:

I'll leave that up to you, I was just curious, and I thought it'd give you something else to consider if you are considering purchasing..

[Johnny-CAT!]

i would imagine they are both pretty expensive.......

[BigDigger]

Its Saturday, if I am anywhere, its on the couch.. :laugh:

I'll leave that up to you, I was just curious, and I thought it'd give you something else to consider if you are considering purchasing..


HAHAHA trust me JR I didn't take you seriously.....that's why I had the smiles at the end.

Guys I honestly don't know why that bucket is so small on that cat, but there is not a single machine with a bucket anywhere near that small on a Cat here at the finning yard *largest cat dealer in the world*

Just thought I would point out that you guys can't look at a pick with one bucket and think they do that for all machines.....My 72 tooth is BIG and that's what it comes with...the larger machines have a larger bucket.

Re the breakout, From anyone who has driven one I have not heard a SINGLE compaint online or otherwise that was legit that really complained about breakout. the breakout is huge on this things. The disconnect and varied mileage seems to have more to do with the lift circuit.

I curled the ass end of my skid steer off the ground the other day trying to lift a 4500 lbs pound stack of wood..... curled it no problem.....then the ass end started lifting off the ground at the same time.....it didn't lift with the arms but my machine is only a 2500lb model....

it's got tones of grunt....it will curl the 7300 lbs it says

[SiteSolutions]

OK, I think some of you really need to drive one.....

My 246C can dig, curl, lift, lift and curl out of any freaking pile I throw at it.

I lifted a concrete slab 8' ('ish) x 4' by about 8" thick, no prob, straight up. Dig into piles of gravel, I can lift it straight up......

You guys keep harping on this, but I just don't see it.....I have no idea what you guys are doing wrong, but that's what I have decided....:laugh::laugh:

Pryin up a slab or lifting gravel isn't that hard; I think what folks are referring to is a truckload of fill dirt. Gravel has got to be the easiest thing to lift (besides light materials) because you're only lifting the weight of the material; it isn't sticking to the other gravel like dirt does.

[SiteSolutions]

did you compare rebuild prices of the undercarriage on the VTS vs. the CTL?

I don't think the Cat CTL would be very expensive to rebuild, compared to their MTL machines. Of course it will probably be higher than other manufacturers because they are Cat and that's how they roll. The VTS, I have no idea how it would stack up.

[AMCAT]

those are some awsome skiddys net:walking::walking::cool2::clapping:

Compared to the looks of a T320 yup :hammerhead::)

[YellowDogSVC]

If I could weigh in on the lift/curl of the C series 272. While it wasn't totally impressive, it was not all that bad. I think it was on par with a Bobcat s220-s300 and not too far off from my s330. What I did find, as Sitesolutions pointed out, stick materials were a bit more difficult. Road base, for example, seeme to strain the machine with a full bucket. The bucket I had, a 72 CI CAT tooth bucket, was markedly smaller than my Bobcat buckets. Less capacity, weight, etc., and it still struggled in base materials. When I was grading caliche or cutting with a tilt-tatch, it seemed to have the power. Lift on a heavy object (mulcher at 2300lbs) was fine even if the machine was a bit tippy for its operating capacity.

I think Tiger is onto something. I don't think we have all experienced the same C series which doesn't surprise me for a newer product. I would imagine that software updates and/or a hydraulic pump adjustment would solve that. By the way, when I first got my C series CAT, high flow wouldn't work if I lift/curled my bucket. That had to be addressed through a software update. I have similar issues with my Ford trucks. K.I.S.S.--take some of the software out and make these things simpler and I think you can unleash some of the power but alas, I think they are "detuned" for a reason.

Maybe some of you smarter guys need to come up with a chip or aftermarket upgrade plug-in for the computer? It has to be simpler than the programs on a diesel truck..?

[Johnny-CAT!]

Dont you guys think the CAT CTL's would look even better with a black undercarriage??? (just my opinion maybe but i think they would):):)

[stuvecorp]

Dont you guys think the CAT CTL's would look even better with a black undercarriage??? (just my opinion maybe but i think they would):):)

I kinda like the same color on the undercarriage. I want to paint my VTS PowerTan so it would look 'factory'.

Do you like one better than the other? How about money wise, is one more or less? How about ride or traction?

[Johnny-CAT!]

i would say the 299C has a lot more power to there tracks, like having on 2-speed and making a complete turn it did it without effort where the 272C u can hear it has to work a bit. It all depends what the 272C's cost by now but i would think the 299's are maybe wee bit more altough i cant say forsure with-out getting a up-to-date price on 272C

[Tigerotor77W]

Dont you guys think the CAT CTL's would look even better with a black undercarriage??? (just my opinion maybe but i think they would):):)

I think there's a certain amount of, ah, brand image consistency at play. Cat's dozers, which "are what the CTLs are modeled off," have yellow UCs and to maintain that brand image, I think Cat kept the CTL UC yellow.

But that's not to say it wouldn't look sharp with a black UC.

[ksss]

Pryin up a slab or lifting gravel isn't that hard; I think what folks are referring to is a truckload of fill dirt. Gravel has got to be the easiest thing to lift (besides light materials) because you're only lifting the weight of the material; it isn't sticking to the other gravel like dirt does.


The bucket breakout on the 256C was fine, but the bucket was small like CAT buckets are. I could have switched the machine over to my CASE bucket but to see if that made a difference but I didn't think of it. The machine I demoed was a year ago now so maybe they have fixed the lift. I know I am not the only one that saw the same issues with the C series. Like everything else I am sure its a work in progress.

[Nel-Martin]

Compared to the looks of a T320 yup :hammerhead::)

as long as you keep it with in looks by golly !!!!!:nono:

[Nel-Martin]

Compared to the looks of a T320 yup :hammerhead::)

as long as you keep it with in looks by golly !!!!! you think the cat has more break out force then the T320 ? im surprised if it does :laugh:

[Scag48]

Not sure if it's been said, but the bucket on that 299 is definately a low profile. Best for grading, not for moving a bunch of dirt.

[Canon Landscaping]

I demoed a cat 262c and a bobcat s300 and I did a break out test. I used the bucket that came on the bobcat because like others have said cat shows up with a little 72 inch. The bobcat bucket was 80'' or 84'' I drove the bucket into the pile and tried to lift it out with both machines to switch machines I unhooked the bucket and left it in the same place in the pile to get a fair comparison. I also tried our deere and none of the machines would break out of the pile with out backing up but the bobcat would raise the rear tires off the ground the cat would not the deere was a track machine and it had the last roller up. Here are some comparison pics.

[BigDigger]

Well now that's an interesting comparison......

hmmm...cool

[BigDigger]

The bucket breakout on the 256C was fine, but the bucket was small like CAT buckets are. I could have switched the machine over to my CASE bucket but to see if that made a difference but I didn't think of it. The machine I demoed was a year ago now so maybe they have fixed the lift. I know I am not the only one that saw the same issues with the C series. Like everything else I am sure its a work in progress.


That's perhaps the most reasonable thing I have seen you write and still include *cat* in it.....I am impressed :laugh::drinkup::laugh:

[Junior M]

Well now that's an interesting comparison......

hmmm...cool
I agree...

[treemover]

cannon... is that your 322? If so how do you like it? Sorry to hijack

[ksss]

That's perhaps the most reasonable thing I have seen you write and still include *cat* in it.....I am impressed :laugh::drinkup::laugh:

I was fishing for a good price on your run flats. Don't get to used to it!

[ksss]

Well now that's an interesting comparison......

hmmm...cool

Now try a CASE machine. It will either lift out of the pile or like the Bobcat lift the tires off the ground, but it wont take a sh!t, like the CAT.:waving:

[BigDigger]

Now try a CASE machine. It will either lift out of the pile or like the Bobcat lift the tires off the ground, but it wont take a sh!t, like the CAT.:waving:

*sigh* :rolleyes: 1 step forward 3 steps back

[ksss]

*sigh* :rolleyes: 1 step forward 3 steps back


haha,
Rome was not built in a day, Brother.

[BigDigger]

LOL Too True!!!

[BIGBEN2004]

I demoed a cat 262c and a bobcat s300 and I did a break out test. I used the bucket that came on the bobcat because like others have said cat shows up with a little 72 inch. The bobcat bucket was 80'' or 84'' I drove the bucket into the pile and tried to lift it out with both machines to switch machines I unhooked the bucket and left it in the same place in the pile to get a fair comparison. I also tried our deere and none of the machines would break out of the pile with out backing up but the bobcat would raise the rear tires off the ground the cat would not the deere was a track machine and it had the last roller up. Here are some comparison pics.


I would love to see a Takeuchi TL250 hook up to that bucket. That would have a good chance of curling it out of that pile. We put the bucket from the TL250 on a Cat 262B and it couldn't even curl back the bucket with a half load. Those buckets on the TL250 are huge but are built for heavy digging.

[mhilton]

I can not believe the deere, I have not problem with my tak240

[crab]

lets be fair ,the 322 is the smallest of those machines,i will lend you my 332 and lets see what happens.put a case in the bucket just for fun.

[Tigerotor77W]

I'm curious, too, what would happen with other makes... that being said, what's the productivity gain by going from the 262C to the S300? Rear wheels being off the ground doesn't accomplish anything any faster.

[dozerman21]

lets be fair ,the 322 is the smallest of those machines,i will lend you my 332 and lets see what happens.put a case in the bucket just for fun.

I was actually thinking about this thread when I was heaping some bucketfulls of wet clay from a pile that has had a few inches of rain in the past week. My CT332 didn't flinch at breaking out straight up. If I go in level until it heaps, then curl the bucket it flips right up. If I use the arms only, it's a little slower but not much. If I use them at the same, it's like I was loading snow. All without backing up any. Just my $0.02.

[BigDigger]

I was actually thinking about this thread when I was heaping some bucketfulls of wet clay from a pile that has had a few inches of rain in the past week. My CT332 didn't flinch at breaking out straight up. If I go in level until it heaps, then curl the bucket it flips right up. If I use the arms only, it's a little slower but not much. If I use them at the same, it's like I was loading snow. All without backing up any. Just my $0.02.

So far anyway, this has been my experience with my Cat 246C as well.

[BIGBEN2004]

I'm curious, too, what would happen with other makes... that being said, what's the productivity gain by going from the 262C to the S300? Rear wheels being off the ground doesn't accomplish anything any faster.

It is easier to work a machine faster and harder if the hydraulics out power the the stability of the rear of the machine. Their are tricks to be able to keep the machine on the ground and push it to the limits. Not saying you would want to do it day in and day out but is nice to be able to do it in certain situations. Their is nothing worse then pulling on a lever and the hydraulic system just sits their and wines. Cat has always had small numbers on their breakout forces and even a Cat fanatic will agree to that. Numbers don't lye and if you compare them to many of the competition they come up very weak.

[BigDigger]

I had something typed and lost it....therefore I give up... :)

[CarterKraft]

the only thing I can add is you are supposed to convert the machine to XDP powertrain to have CAT Endorse the installation of VTS tracks, not sure if yours has been converted but it's sure something to consider.

[Johnny-CAT!]

Finally i tried out the 299C!! Very Good machine!!!! Very good pushing power!!! Lifting and breakout still a little weak i would dare say.....:confused: Very nice and quiet in cab