My Skid Can Bench Press More than Yours!

[ARP]

Ok guys (and gals), since I am a tad bit bored, I thought we should have a little brand "war" here that is actually backed by "evidence." Just for fun, I thought I would experiment with how much my T320 could lift and move around without getting tippy. I had my doubts after all the nay-saying that occurs here occasionally about Bobcat's lack of power, but I was pleasantly surprised to say the least! :weightlifter:

For the judges, I present Exhibit Number 1: An 80' long, 2' in diameter, Red Pine tree with all branches attached for the last 25-30' of the tree.

So bring on all the trash talking and playful banter than keeps me coming back to this place when I should be sleeping at night :laugh: Any size machine can be represented and will judged according to ROC class. Only rule is that any "talk" has to be backed with photographic evidence. (Yes I know, it is tough to beat a T320's lifting power, but at least give it your best shot :rolleyes:).

Flame on! :usflag:

[Dirtman2007]

Must be a takkie under that white paint:laugh:

to be sure you did not get out of the machine with that over your head:dizzy:

[ARP]

Ah yes, thanks for bringing up that important safety point Chris. Under no reason is someone to get out of their machine to take a photo. I don't need any dead people on my conscience!

(No, I did not get out of my machine. Had my chainsaw guy take it from a safe distance.)

I don't know Chris, I think this Bobcat might give your Takkie a run for its money! Got any pics you haven't posted yet to boost your claim?

[Dirtman2007]

Ah yes, thanks for bringing up that important safety point Chris. Under no reason is someone to get out of their machine to take a photo. I don't need any dead people on my conscience!

(No, I did not get out of my machine. Had my chainsaw guy take it from a safe distance.)

I don't know Chris, I think this Bobcat might give your Takkie a run for its money! Got any pics you haven't posted yet to boost your claim?

Well this is the best I can do for now, I work alone most of the time so I gotta keep it where I can get out of the machine and not die. PS you just made me look through 1800 pictures:dizzy:

but I can do two logs:weightlifter:

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/Picture458.jpg

moving one big ol stump

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/002-82.jpg

[ARP]

Well played sir! I knew I should have taken the photo of my machine lifting the 30' long 3' wide and 25' long and 1.5' wide log at the same time from the other day. I guess I'll just say quantity isn't everything :laugh:

1800 photos huh? Do you have those indexed or something? That was fast.

Ok everyone else- step up to the plate and give it a swing! I'll be disappointed if someone doesn't start some sort of brand bashing!

(Come on Junior, even a MT55 will count, even if it can only lift your PHD and wheelbarrow for you :rolleyes:)

[Dirtman2007]

Well played sir! I knew I should have taken the photo of my machine lifting the 30' long 3' wide and 25' long and 1.5' wide log at the same time from the other day. I guess I'll just say quantity isn't everything :laugh:

1800 photos huh? Do you have those indexed or something? That was fast.

Ok everyone else- step up to the plate and give it a swing! I'll be disappointed if someone doesn't start some sort of brand bashing!

(Come on Junior, even a MT55 will count, even if it can only lift your PHD and wheelbarrow for you :rolleyes:)

I wonder is they make a walk behind with a grapple??!!:laugh::laugh: maybe he could grab some 4x4's or something.



Nah I don't have them tagged or anything, I just have a good memory of when I did jobs. All together I've got like 2500 pictures on Photobucket.

[bearmtnmartin]

thats nothing. couple of broomsticks are a load? Heres my mighty midget with a real load. (just pretend that 1200 gallon tank is full of water!)

[SellingIron]

Not a CTL but it can lift....

[SellingIron]

ARP, It looks like you bought the bobcat root grapple. If so, your T320 is going bend it up like a pretzel..

[ARP]

bearmtnmartin- That's a pretty good size load you got there, water or not. I'd say you are winning in the mini class for sure!

Sellingiron- any machine can be represented. That's an impressive lift as well (It's a Bobcat, so it should have had no problem with that anyway.:weightlifter:) I'll be curious to see if anyone else represents a telehandler on here.

And yes, I do have the Bobcat root grapple. So far, after 4 months of heavy use, the thing is still doing pretty well and is in great shape. I have the 72" model. Is there something I should be watching out for in the future that makes you think I might have issues with it?

[AWJ Services]

I offered the same test a while back but no one would bite.The problem with using trees is that you cannot verify the weight.

My Tak has a 2000 ROC and I posted pics of it lifting 7k pounds of wall blocks.
Your machine has a 3200 pound ROC so it should lift 10k.

Get to posting some pics.LOL

[ARP]

Maybe I just framed the test better or people are as bored as me too- lol! The sunshine might have an effect on people as well. I agree, it is hard to verify the weight of wood as everything is different. It's all in fun anyway. Either way, you need to post those pics again. Care to be a judge as well? Anyone else want to be an official "judge"?

[jg244888]

dirtman whats your photobucket username??

[Dirtman2007]

dirtman whats your photobucket username??

sorry man but its all private.

[AWJ Services]

The shipping weight was 3200 a pallet.
The Hyds wher over ridden at 7500 pounds are so and went into relief.





http://www.lawnsite.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=85467&d=1185327834

[ARP]

Well I guess we have 2 for Takkie power. Where are our Case, Cat, NH, and John Deere fans? Come on guys- stop lookin and start postin!:weightlifter:

[SellingIron]

ARP, I have seen some of those grapples bent up pretty good. I guess if you are a owner operator instead of a I don't own this thing lets run it into a wall type employee, than you should be ok. The 78" Industrial grapple has teeth that are parallel with the ground instead of curved at the end. Also, they are replaceable if needed. Problem with them is that they are almost double in price..:confused::cry:

[mrsops]

Apr nice pics buddy!! That t320 is a beast. show these guys what a bobcat can really do

[stuvecorp]

Well I guess we have 2 for Takkie power. Where are our Case, Cat, NH, and John Deere fans? Come on guys- stop lookin and start postin!:weightlifter:

I got some pictures on here with the 70XT lifting two block pallets, 4500# is pretty much it's limit. Versa-lok makes a big block called the Bronco, i'm trying to get a couple to see how it would lift it.

[flairland]

Rated at 700lbs lift, a full pallet of sod is a good 2200lbs, I'd say there's about 800lbs, plus the skid, 40lbs, plus the weight of the pallet forks, 250lbs...puts us at close to 1100lbs!! :cool2: lol

[ARP]

I see we have some more Bobcat power represented here! I'm startin to think that Bobcat and Takkie are the only things that can lift anything more than a shovel! *trucewhiteflag*

[CAT powered]

Gimme a few days to find something that might actually remotely test the capabilities of my loader. DRESSER power!

[bobcat_ron]

Us Cat owners won't be posting here because we don't need to show how much more comfortably we can lift inside our nice spacious cabs.

[ksss]

I am a little busy at the moment. I would have to bring my 465 home and try and find something that will test its capacity. That might be difficult.

[AWJ Services]

I am a little busy at the moment. I would have to bring my 465 home and try and find something that will test its capacity. That might be difficult.

A couple sacks of fertilizer out to really put a strain on it.
Go for 3 if you got a strong one.:laugh:

[ksss]

A couple sacks of fertilizer out to really put a strain on it.
Go for 3 if you got a strong one.:laugh:

Ha, too bad I didn't know someone that had a TL130, I would just bench press that. Thats kinda like 4 bags of fertilizer, both the TL and fertilizer are high in N content.:laugh:

[ccstrebe]

Us Cat owners won't be posting here because we don't need to show how much more comfortably we can lift inside our nice spacious cabs.

Right on brother.

[ksss]

I know what you CAT guys could do that would impress everyone here. Put a real bucket on your machine, heap it up and take it to the top of your lift cycle. That would be impressive, and O, no photoshopping!

[CAT powered]

So would it be considered impressive if I put the forks on my loader and lifted my lowbed? I'm just trying to think of something that is heavy enough to really test its capacity. There's not much.

[Junior M]

(Come on Junior, even a MT55 will count, even if it can only lift your PHD and wheelbarrow for you :rolleyes:)

I hope you know I am not buying one, just renting one.. ;)

And the biggest load I had in the 190 was a couple bucked sections of pine, it was reliefing by the time I got them curled up, then I stopped to quick and about flew out the door.. ;) :laugh:

A couple sacks of fertilizer out to really put a strain on it.
Go for 3 if you got a strong one.:laugh:

a couple? Hell I was thinking a phone book or 2..

[bobcat_ron]

I know what you CAT guys could do that would impress everyone here. Put a real bucket on your machine, heap it up and take it to the top of your lift cycle. That would be impressive, and O, no photoshopping!

Oh you're on now, how about a 1 yard bucket with black topsoil, with video proof?

[ksss]

Oh you're on now, how about a 1 yard bucket with black topsoil, with video proof?

Well I would be up for seeing that. Granted your about what 1800-2000 pounds per yard on dark topsoil? Never the less I would like to see you MTL handle that.

[riverwalklandscaping]

is there any rating or way to figure out what it would take to tip the skid over sideways? I mean if u lifted that big log all the way on one end, assuming it stayed straight, would it tip you over sideways?

[Junior M]

is there any rating or way to figure out what it would take to tip the skid over sideways? I mean if u lifted that big log all the way on one end, assuming it stayed straight, would it tip you over sideways?
I dont know, ask Picasso, he has some experience with putting CTL's on there sides.. :laugh::laugh:

[Canon Landscaping]

I can't remember who it was but someone posted a pic on here of a Deere ct332 carrying a D6 dozer blade.

[bobcat_ron]

Well I would be up for seeing that. Granted your about what 1800-2000 pounds per yard on dark topsoil? Never the less I would like to see you MTL handle that.

Done, I need to grind up the compost pile again tomorrow, and I'll get a short shot of that just to warm up the oil a bit before grinding.

[P.Services]

junior i would call you a name but the mod just told me to watch my usage of four letter words.

yes i was lifting some heavy logs and tossed the 332 on its side.... down a hill.....into a swamp.....

[ARP]

Picasso, that kind of situation deserves at least an aftermath photo, if not a whole cartoonish sketch of the sequence. (I hope you weren't injured in the process.)

[P.Services]

oh yeah there was blood to say the least. i have pictures but they are on a phone that i dont think can upload them to lawnsite.

[P.Services]

it happend about 100' of the picture in my sig went into that swamp you can see in the back. sure am glad for a roll up door.

i was freaked about the fuel dumping out onto the exhaust,

[ARP]

Geez- glad you made it out ok!

[P.Services]

it can lift the same bucket full of wet clay.

go take a look at these pics i cant upload them again

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=247652

[AWJ Services]

it can lift the same bucket full of wet clay.

go take a look at these pics i cant upload them again

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=247652



Go to your user cp and then to attachments and find the pick.
Copy and paste the url and then click on the insert image icon while making a post.Paste it in there an dyou are done.

[93turbo]

not really a load but no one else is posting pics hardly

[SellingIron]

it can lift the same bucket full of wet clay.

go take a look at these pics i cant upload them again

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=247652

WOW. How can you see what is around when the boom is up like that? It looks like there would be blind spots everywhere...

[bobcatuser]

One more for Bobcat. 6500 lbs of Douglas fir on the forks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRrM2yA7sQQ&feature=channel_page

[AWJ Services]

not really a load but no one else is posting pics hardly

It must have been cold because I do not even own that many clothes.LOL

[Nelson M Martin]

Not at full capacity with T320 but an idea what it will do!!
After loading the wagons i pulled both loads at once thru about 6" of snow with the T320

[bobcat_ron]

One more for Bobcat. 6500 lbs of Douglas fir on the forks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRrM2yA7sQQ&feature=channel_page

That was your 48% tipping load, another 300 pounds and I'll bet you would have had it on it's nose. :laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

Suck it Shane:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/heavy_01.jpg

The video proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJYxtkIJy0


Suck it.

[bobcatuser]

That was your 48% tipping load, another 300 pounds and I'll bet you would have had it on it's nose. :laugh:

The tipping load on my T320 is 9208 lbs, thats close to a standard 48" manhole base with a 48" riser,donut and lid or 3 skids of Westcon hydra-prest paver stones. :weightlifter: I need to buy some HD forks!!

[bobcat_ron]

The tipping load on my T320 is 9208 lbs, thats close to a standard 48" manhole base with a 48" riser,donut and lid or 3 skids of Westcon hydra-prest paver stones. :weightlifter: I need to buy some HD forks!!

Where (and why) were you lifting that wood out of?

[bobcatuser]

I was loading out the shoring from a new underground. It was raining that day and water was pouring out the knock out holes overhead. I hate working in undergrounds, it's always dark, damp and poor ventilation.

[93turbo]

It must have been cold because I do not even own that many clothes.LOL

yes it was some of us have seasons and then there are those of us that can have all 4 seasons in one day LOL

[SiteSolutions]

Suck it Shane:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/rdj07/heavy_01.jpg

The video proof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOJYxtkIJy0


Suck it.

What size bucket is that? And was that horse manure you were lifting?

[bobcat_ron]

What size bucket is that? And was that horse manure you were lifting?

That's a 74" Bobcat snow bucket (1 cubic yard) and that's our topsoil here, loamy, black, heavy, sticky stuff.

This is cow manure/wet poopy sawdust:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgLmicBzX5c

[ccstrebe]

I know what you CAT guys could do that would impress everyone here. Put a real bucket on your machine, heap it up and take it to the top of your lift cycle. That would be impressive, and O, no photoshopping!

Since you sound like a broken record when it comes to Cats, and Ron provided the proof with his video, I guess I'll do the same and sound like a broken record too.

My old 450CT couldn't push, pull, or climb a steep incline near as good as my Cat does........they both lift the same.

The 450ct was slower, it was harder to work on, it was harder to clean, it used more fuel, had half as much space in the cab, and had no comfort what so ever. I could keep going but I'm sure you get the main idea.

I shudder when I think about those days I owned that machine.

[ksss]

Since you sound like a broken record when it comes to Cats, and Ron provided the proof with his video, I guess I'll do the same and sound like a broken record too.

My old 450CT couldn't push, pull, or climb a steep incline near as good as my Cat does........they both lift the same.

The 450ct was slower, it was harder to work on, it was harder to clean, it used more fuel, had half as much space in the cab, and had no comfort what so ever. I could keep going but I'm sure you get the main idea.

I shudder when I think about those days I owned that machine.

What would a day be like that I didn't have to correct you.:rolleyes:

Slower: The CAT is 1 mph faster in two speed than the CASE, assuming you have two speed. So is the CAT faster yes. Is that a practical difference, certainly not to a hobby MTL driver.

Harder to work on: Well thats is subjective. Have you tried to prime the CAT when you run it out of fuel or did you learn from past experiences?

Harder to clean: If your saying that the CAT undercarriage is easier to clean, I know you are full of ......manure.

The cab diminsions are nearly identical, I have pulled tape on them myself.

Uses more fuel: The CASE fuel tank is 6 gallons less than the CAT. So yes you are fueling the CASE more, but compare the productivity of dirt moved and you will see yourself.

The cab had no comfort: The orginal 400 series has a poor cab compared to new machines. Yes I will agree, but if your comparing your CASE cab to a B series you would see it is 6's. Compare the S-3 cab to a C series cab, now that is a fair comparision.


The couldn't push or handle inclines comments have no merit. The Case has a better departure angle by 5 degrees over the CAT. The CASE out weighs the CAT by almost a 1000 pounds. The CASE is more powerful, heavier which equals tractive effort. I suspect like I have since you arrived. You are no operator, cabinet maker, Moto cross driver that you are. Again I am glad you found a nice machine that you can run. The CAT is made for a driver such as yourself. I bet it fits you like a glove.:waving:

[Junior M]

What would a day be like that I didn't have to correct you.:rolleyes:

Slower: The CAT is 1 mph faster in two speed than the CASE, assuming you have two speed. So is the CAT faster yes. Is that a practical difference, certainly not to a hobby MTL driver.

Harder to work on: Well thats is subjective. Have you tried to prime the CAT when you run it out of fuel or did you learn from past experiences?

Harder to clean: If your saying that the CAT undercarriage is easier to clean, I know you are full of ......manure.

The cab diminsions are nearly identical, I have pulled tape on them myself.

Uses more fuel: The CASE fuel tank is 6 gallons less than the CAT. So yes you are fueling the CASE more, but compare the productivity of dirt moved and you will see yourself.

The cab had no comfort: The orginal 400 series has a poor cab compared to new machines. Yes I will agree, but if your comparing your CASE cab to a B series you would see it is 6's. Compare the S-3 cab to a C series cab, now that is a fair comparision.


The couldn't push or handle inclines comments have no merit. The Case has a better departure angle by 5 degrees over the CAT. The CASE out weighs the CAT by almost a 1000 pounds. The CASE is more powerful, heavier which equals tractive effort. I suspect like I have since you arrived. You are no operator, cabinet maker, Moto cross driver that you are. Again I am glad you found a nice machine that you can run. The CAT is made for a driver such as yourself. I bet it fits you like a glove.:waving:
I love it when yall argue, its like yall get in a verbal bitc# slap match.. :laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

I love it when yall argue, its like yall get in a verbal bitc# slap match.. :laugh:

KSSS knows I put him in a corner with my proof.

[Junior M]

KSSS knows I put him in a corner with my proof.
You did do that! :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

KSSS knows I put him in a corner with my proof.

what that your going to trade the Cat in for the takkie!

[Dirtman2007]

Ok so your skid steer may pick up a log, but does it have the ball to push mud like this????

ok who in their right mind but me would do this??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEg5dCfCCqI

[bobcat_ron]

what that your going to trade the Cat in for the takkie!

No way, my Cat is a keeper, or at least until Cat comes out with something in my size and the economy picks up and my competition dies off here, if not, Takeuchi TL130 here I come.

[ARP]

ok who in their right mind but me would do this??

A guy with a big bad excavator in the back ground to pull him out :rolleyes:

I'll take you up on a pushing match. Just need to find something bigger than a D8 to push :rolleyes:

[Dirtman2007]

A guy with a big bad excavator in the back ground to pull him out :rolleyes:

I'll take you up on a pushing match. Just need to find something bigger than a D8 to push :rolleyes:

Who this guy... of course the volvo saved the day!

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/007-64.jpg

[Junior M]

Who this guy... of course the volvo saved the day!


Always with that big goofy ass smile..... :laugh: :laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

Always with that big goofy ass smile..... :laugh: :laugh:

And the funny thing is, we never, ever see him dirty, only a smudge or two on his boots.
How the hell does that goofy assed smiling bugger not get dirty????????

[Junior M]

And the funny thing is, we never, ever see him dirty, only a smudge or two on his boots.
How the hell does that goofy assed smiling bugger not get dirty????????
he just doesnt do anything but pose for pics.. ;) :laugh: :rolleyes:

[talus]

I think I would be smiling like that to if I got to play/work like he does everyday.

[Junior M]

I think I would be smiling like that to if I got to play/work like he does everyday.
You got that right! :cool2:

[ccstrebe]

What would a day be like that I didn't have to correct you.:rolleyes:

Slower: The CAT is 1 mph faster in two speed than the CASE, assuming you have two speed. So is the CAT faster yes. Is that a practical difference, certainly not to a hobby MTL driver.

Harder to work on: Well thats is subjective. Have you tried to prime the CAT when you run it out of fuel or did you learn from past experiences?

Harder to clean: If your saying that the CAT undercarriage is easier to clean, I know you are full of ......manure.

The cab diminsions are nearly identical, I have pulled tape on them myself.

Uses more fuel: The CASE fuel tank is 6 gallons less than the CAT. So yes you are fueling the CASE more, but compare the productivity of dirt moved and you will see yourself.

The cab had no comfort: The orginal 400 series has a poor cab compared to new machines. Yes I will agree, but if your comparing your CASE cab to a B series you would see it is 6's. Compare the S-3 cab to a C series cab, now that is a fair comparision.


The couldn't push or handle inclines comments have no merit. The Case has a better departure angle by 5 degrees over the CAT. The CASE out weighs the CAT by almost a 1000 pounds. The CASE is more powerful, heavier which equals tractive effort. I suspect like I have since you arrived. You are no operator, cabinet maker, Moto cross driver that you are. Again I am glad you found a nice machine that you can run. The CAT is made for a driver such as yourself. I bet it fits you like a glove.:waving:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

Isn't it funny how some one who has never owned a 450ct or a 297c wants everyone to think that he is an expert on the diferences between the two.

You can spew all the figures you want from the spec sheets, but it will not change the facts the the Cat is more productive, with less fatigue, better fuel consumption and three times as much comfort and ease of use. I can say that from experience and ownership, you sir, can not. Which makes all your words, as far as I am concerned, null and void.

PS: As for your tractive effort comment, that's just hog wash. That is one of the reasons why the Cat is more productive, it has the better tractive effort of the two.

[Junior M]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah

Isn't it funny how some one who has never owned a 450ct or a 297c wants everyone to think that he is an expert on the diferences between the two.

You can spew all the figures you want from the spec sheets, but it will not change the facts the the Cat is more productive, with less fatigue, better fuel consumption and three times as much comfort and ease of use. I can say that from experience and ownership, you sir, can not. Which makes all your words, as far as I am concerned, null and void.

PS: As for your tractive effort comment, that's just hog wash. That is one of the reasons why the Cat is more productive, it has the better tractive effort of the two.
I am going with shane on the fuel thing, the Case had a smaller tank, you cant compare fuel consumption by how many times you fill up.

Show me numbers on fuel consumption and I'll believe that.

[bobcat_ron]

I am going with shane on the fuel thing, the Case had a smaller tank, you cant compare fuel consumption by how many times you fill up.

Show me numbers on fuel consumption and I'll believe that.

This thing between ccstrebe and KSSS is getting out of hand, Kaiser seems to think that anytime you drop tracks on to an already powerful skid steer (like Case) that it will out perform any other CTL, when more proof is pointing to Takeuchi's TL150/250.

A good example is a Deere 700J LGP versus a Cat D6K LGP, a battle which I have seen in person.
We are fanatic Cat dozer people here in BC, and the battle we waged in 2007 saw the slightly lighter Deere out push and out cycle the Cat.
Why?

More traction from the longer tracks and better balance.

The Case is heavier, it's going to be more sluggish than the lighter Cat and the Cat will still put more track to the ground with it's dual level suspension than the rigid frame Case.

[ARP]

That smile is priceless! Geez, I get to work/play but I sure as heck don't look that clean at the end of the day... *trucewhiteflag*

[Dirtman2007]

And the funny thing is, we never, ever see him dirty, only a smudge or two on his boots.
How the hell does that goofy assed smiling bugger not get dirty????????

LOL, Notice how you have not seen any pictures of me within the last month... dirtman the plumber has been getting dirty. well a little, nothing major:laugh:

I think my quote is going to be

"I work smart, not hard"

[Dirtman2007]

That smile is priceless! Geez, I get to work/play but I sure as heck don't look that clean at the end of the day... *trucewhiteflag*

haha, do you prefer the ott ohh what the hell just happened photo?

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee145/Letsdig18/008-47.jpg

[Junior M]

haha, do you prefer the ott ohh what the hell just happened photo?




bahahahaha!

[ARP]

Man, you can't even dip a toe in that mud and make me feel better can you?

[CAT powered]

Chris I really wish I someone would just push you into the mud one of these days.

You ain't muddy except for the soles of your shoes! How the hell?!

[Junior M]

Chris I really wish I someone would just push you into the mud one of these days.

You ain't muddy except for the soles of your shoes! How the hell?!
I got one machine stuck not as bad as that and spent the rest of the time on the machine and got dirty as hell! How the hell does he do it?! I was dirtier than the guys off of Ax men, and he looks like he just hopped in the truck to head to the job.. :laugh:

[Dirtman2007]

Chris I really wish I someone would just push you into the mud one of these days.

You ain't muddy except for the soles of your shoes! How the hell?!

geez thanks :laugh:


Ya'll operators must roll around in the dirt or something, its not that hard. keep the dirt on the machine.

I tell you what. I'll go step in a big mudhole tomorrow just to make ya'll feel better... wait I only got 1/2" of freeboard on my flip flops... better be shallow:laugh:

[93turbo]

I get dirtier then him just thinking about workLOL There just is something amiss with that boy LOL

[ccstrebe]

I am going with shane on the fuel thing, the Case had a smaller tank, you cant compare fuel consumption by how many times you fill up.

Show me numbers on fuel consumption and I'll believe that.

Your upper lip is getting pretty red from all that kool-aid you are drinking there Jr.

I already posted once before on the fuel consumption. The 450ct would burn 5 gallons of fuel per hour and the 297c is burning 4 gallons of fuel per hour. Has nothing to do with how often I fill up the tank.

You and KSSS are grasping at straws.

[Dirtman2007]

I get dirtier then him just thinking about workLOL There just is something amiss with that boy LOL

:)

LOL, maybe...

[AWJ Services]

Your upper lip is getting pretty red from all that kool-aid you are drinking there Jr.

I already posted once before on the fuel consumption. The 450ct would burn 5 gallons of fuel per hour and the 297c is burning 4 gallons of fuel per hour. Has nothing to do with how often I fill up the tank.

You and KSSS are grasping at straws.

I would sale either machine if it burnt that much fuel?
Do you have holes in the tanks?

32 to 40 gallons for an 8 hour day?

[bobcatuser]

I would sale either machine if it burnt that much fuel?
Do you have holes in the tanks?

32 to 40 gallons for an 8 hour day?

My T320 (92 hp) is averaging 3.4 gal/hr. 4 or 5 gallons per hour is terrible.

[ksss]

My T320 (92 hp) is averaging 3.4 gal/hr. 4 or 5 gallons per hour is terrible.

I fill up my 465 about every 5 hours. It has a 20 gal. tank I fill it when it starts beeping I am guessing there is about 3-4 gal. left. So I am guessing somewhere around 3-3.5. GPH My 440 prior to adding VTS must have been around 2 since I could get about 8-9 hours out of a tank. However with the VTS I am around the same as the 465.

I would only add this on fuel consumption. A more accurate method of gauging how efficient a machine is by the amount of work completed per gallon of fuel. A smaller machine will do better on fuel, but your not getting the same amount of work done either. Although I keep an eye on fuel economy, because even with fuel prices down (but rising) it still hurts. However you need to also keep an eye on the productivity your getting for your fuel dollar. I think almost every one that has a large skid steer complains about fuel economy. It might be due to being accustomed to running all day on a tank of fuel as with the smaller machines.

[AWJ Services]

The good thing about my Tak is I do not have to run it wide open to be productive.The extra throttle only helps ground speed.
I cannot remember when was the last time I had to stop and refill during the day.


My T320 (92 hp) is averaging 3.4 gal/hr. 4 or 5 gallons per hour is terrible.

I would think this will be good for a 92 hp skid.

[Junior M]

Your upper lip is getting pretty red from all that kool-aid you are drinking there Jr.

I already posted once before on the fuel consumption. The 450ct would burn 5 gallons of fuel per hour and the 297c is burning 4 gallons of fuel per hour. Has nothing to do with how often I fill up the tank.

You and KSSS are grasping at straws.
Grasping at straws? I have had nothing to do with any of these CASE vs. CAT arguments, this is the first time I've ever jumped in and its because I dont believe it, you just say something and expect us to believe it with no reasoning behind it..

And am I suppose to remember all the things you've posted about the CASE?

[ccstrebe]

And am I suppose to remember all the things you've posted about the CASE?


:cry:

Why not, Shane does. :laugh:

[ccstrebe]

I would sell either machine if it burnt that much fuel?
Do you have holes in the tanks?

32 to 40 gallons for an 8 hour day?

My T320 (92 hp) is averaging 3.4 gal/hr. 4 or 5 gallons per hour is terrible.

The good thing about my Tak is I do not have to run it wide open to be productive.The extra throttle only helps ground speed.
I cannot remember when was the last time I had to stop and refill during the day.


I would think this will be good for a 92 hp skid.


I guess I should elaborate. Those numbers are at full throttle like when I'm pushing a lot of material over long distances with the laser level or ripping with my scarifier or transporting material from one place to another. I need the full throttle to keep my ground speed up.

Of course when I'm doing finish work at 3/4 throttle it doesn't burn no where near as much.

Like Shane says, what counts is how much work you get done. I have to cover a lot of ground with the laser level and the ripper and I don't have a lot of time to get it done, usually I only have a couple hours after work on a Friday.

[stuvecorp]

CC, I get the impression you were going with a Cat no matter what and if it works for you great. It is too bad you didn't get a chance to try a Series 3 with VTS because you would throw flaming poo at anything else, and saved a yak-load of benjis.

[Dschlott]

It's been fun reading all your banter during lunch -- thought I'd share some fun I had recently!

[bobcat_ron]

Looks like the crack shack was defeated!

[ccstrebe]

CC, I get the impression you were going with a Cat no matter what and if it works for you great. It is too bad you didn't get a chance to try a Series 3 with VTS because you would throw flaming poo at anything else, and saved a yak-load of benjis.

I don't know if a Series 3 would have changed my mind or not but I never even got a chance to try one out. I contacted three different dealers and no one could come up with a Series 3 or even a time frame when I could try a Series 3.

One Case dealer said they were on order but didn't know when they would be there, another Case dealer tried to sell me a Taki, and the third Case dealer didn't even have any on order.

The Cat dealer did back flips to get me into a Cat. Also the Cat dealer was willing to take the Case in on trade and the Case dealers were not. And last, but not least, I got the Cat for zero financing, I think the best Case could do at that time was 3%.

[AWJ Services]

I guess I should elaborate. Those numbers are at full throttle like when I'm pushing a lot of material over long distances with the laser level or ripping with my scarifier or transporting material from one place to another. I need the full throttle to keep my ground speed up.

Of course when I'm doing finish work at 3/4 throttle it doesn't burn no where near as much.

Like Shane says, what counts is how much work you get done. I have to cover a lot of ground with the laser level and the ripper and I don't have a lot of time to get it done, usually I only have a couple hours after work on a Friday.

My machine will not burn that much no matter what.
That is a bunch of fuel.

[BigDigger]

Hey, if your gonna push around a big attachment with a big 90+ hp machine at full throttle it's gonna cost ya. Not sure why anyone is surprised at that.

[AWJ Services]

Hey, if your gonna push around a big attachment with a big 90+ hp machine at full throttle it's gonna cost ya. Not sure why anyone is surprised at that.


Phew! Glad I only have an 82 hp skid steer that works like a 92 hp skid steer.

[Johnny-CAT!]

Picked that shed up and moved it about 300 yards to the scrap pile....:cool2: Its a TH560B

[ARP]

Nice! I think we have a nice little run here between the "cats" in the telehandler category. Thanks for postin!

[Tigerotor77W]

Arg! I'm gone for a week and there's all this moaning and groaning. More pics!

[Duffster]

I win LOL :)

[Mr. Rain]

Cool. Never seen wheel weights like that on a skid before.
What do those blocks weigh roughly?

[DUSTYCEDAR]

i wanna put that kid in a porto and shake it
he must spend a fortune on scotch guard

[NateV]

I win LOL :)

I hope you didnt get out to take that pic??? I'll admit iv gotten out while the bucket was up before but never with weight like that!

[Duffster]

Cool. Never seen wheel weights like that on a skid before.
What do those blocks weigh roughly?

~3700#

i wanna put that kid in a porto and shake it
he must spend a fortune on scotch guard

Are you talking about me?

I hope you didnt get out to take that pic??? I'll admit iv gotten out while the bucket was up before but never with weight like that!

Someone had to take the pic

No worries the boom stops are out ;)

[DUSTYCEDAR]

no not you
talking about mr clean

[plowed]

have a pic of my wheeled dingo (322) picking up a tracked dingo (tx420) with my forks....

weight 1800 lbs!!

my roc is 515 with a tipping load of 1030..... amazing what 3 counterweights will do!

[tailboardtech]

Holy thread revival, batman!
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