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rlf
04-02-2002, 10:05 PM
I am buying my first ZTR. I have gotten a price on the Kubota ZD 21 60 of $8900. The Exmark Laser Z 60 25HP Kawasaki is $7200. Which is the better deal? Is the diesel worth the additional $1700? Thanks for the help.

toroboy
04-02-2002, 10:57 PM
i would go with the exmark mower , ithink they cut better and r more reliable it really depends on how many lawns you have if u have a whole lot it might be better to go with the diseal becasue u will save money on gas ,but i think the exmark u will have less mechanical problems.

TLS
04-03-2002, 07:59 AM
I would say, go with the Lazer. Its a proven design, and dealers abound. Plus, like I said before, 21hp Diesel is not enough for a 60" deck (IMHO).

You will save a lot of money in GAS with the Kubota!

You will save a lot of money in DIESEL with the Lazer!
:D

Tim Baden
04-03-2002, 04:50 PM
Go with exmark they are the best,and
remember anybody can fix a gas engine.Then you have the diesel fumes all the time.Good luck in whatever you chose.

kbcjlc
04-03-2002, 10:00 PM
Go with Exmark and you may want to add eXmark E-Z Striping Kit later on.

Keith

Foz
04-03-2002, 10:09 PM
:confused: a 21 HP Kubota diesel not enough to run a 60" deck???? it is nearly equivalent to a 30 HP gas engine. I have a 22HP kubota diesel with 60" deck that can cut through 6" of wet grass at 1/3 speed, try it first, exmark is good machine but diesel is worth the $$, just my opinion

Mowingman
04-03-2002, 10:19 PM
I have run Grasshopper 60" mowers with the Kubota 21HP diesel and I feel like they are underpowered in heavy mowing conditions. Kubota is coming out with a bigger diesel for their ZTR's. I think it may be the 28HP engine that Grasshopper is using. THe 28 has plenty of power,as I have one on my Grasshopper 428D with a 72" deck.:)

Yard
04-03-2002, 10:24 PM
rlf,
Wow. Are those prices for new machines? $7200 for a 60" Lazer is a great price.

Where are you located?

Good luck with your purchase.

landscaper3
04-03-2002, 10:27 PM
I also would go with the Exmark like someone pointed out a proven design!

65hoss
04-04-2002, 12:20 AM
eXmark :blob4: eXmark :blob4: eXmark

rlf
04-04-2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Yard
rlf,
Wow. Are those prices for new machines? $7200 for a 60" Lazer is a great price.

Where are you located?

Good luck with your purchase.


I live in Alabama, but that price is outside of Atlanta in Fairburn.

RLF

HazellLawnCare
04-04-2002, 03:55 PM
for my big mowers all i run is diesel kubotas they run forever i wont ever buy another gas mower

coldbrook landscapin
04-04-2002, 05:58 PM
rif, I have been using a kubota gf1800 4 wheel drive with a 54 inch deck with a bagger and it has only a 18 horse power engine and it has plenty of power even in wet grass... and haven't had any problems with the engine .. whats great with it I can mow 10 hours and use around 4 gallons of diesel fuel. The only problem i have found with the kubota front mount decks , it a very hard deck to set for differant heights. I'm also planning to buy a new kubota and will be buying the 60inch zd

rwleigh
04-19-2002, 06:54 PM
I talked to a guy who is having trouble with the blade disc clutch on the kubota z21. According to him it is going to cost about $600 to fix it.

David Gretzmier
04-19-2002, 08:39 PM
get the kubota- when other folks are whining about gas this summer, you'll be able to buy off road diesel at 1/2 price AND use half as much. anyone who has driven a zd21 knows they are twice as quiet as other mids and super smooth. my brother has one with 500 hours on it, no problems except to clean grass out of radiator regularly. I have never met anyone who has had problems w/ a kubota engine. they are good for 5000 hours e-z. the mower will probably fall apart around the engine. plenty of power even for a 72 in most conditions.
Dav eg

joeypotts
06-02-2002, 02:20 PM
It is according on how much grass you mow. If you mow every day, the diesel is the way to go. You will save on fuel in the long run and any mechanic will tell you that the diesel will far outlast a gas engine. I have a Kubota ZD2160 and it has PLENTY of power. Although the Exmark is an excelent machine and will serve you well. I am sure you can't go wrong with either one.

Albemarle Lawn
06-02-2002, 04:39 PM
21HP is plenty of power:

1) There are 3 cylinders so you have less "power-pulse" and more usable torque.

2) Machine is shaft driven, less belts to rob horsepower.


3) A kohler 25 is only good for about 20 HP

4) When the diesel is bogged down in high grass, it actually makes more torque at lower RPM.

5) you will save about $.50/hour fuel, or $500 for each 1000 hours of mowing. Breakeven at just over 1500 hours if cost is 1700 more.


Off road diesel = $1.15 here
93 Octane gas = $1.58 here

awm
06-02-2002, 06:36 PM
both are good im sure. the lazer is pretty much a sure thing good machine .
i still think mine is as good as there is and its 8 yrs old .

swtolar
06-02-2002, 10:15 PM
I just bought an ExMark Lazer Z 72" EPS from the dealer's Son store that you have been talking to. I have look at alot of mowers and decided to go with an Exmark due to the number of suppliers around and also if I needed any parts, the warehouse is in College Park. I don't think you could go wrong with either.

bubenberg
06-02-2002, 10:41 PM
you make up the price difference in the first year or less ...depending how many hours you put on the kubota. we own both makes and have over one year of experience on the books and in practical application.

gorrell
06-02-2002, 11:22 PM
The groundskeeper at our local country club, who has worked for me in the past, doesn't have too many good things to say about the Kubota zd-21. It is woefully underpowered for a 60"deck. He was comparing it to what he was driving for me, though, which was a s'burb'n turb'n. Kubota makes very good diesel engines, but should only use the 28 hp on the 60" machine(IMHO). I've had a grasshopper with the 20.9hp diesel(underpowered) and a Scag Magnum 3 with the 28hp which had plenty of power but a very poor deck(old style not the advantage deck). Kubota makes good equipment and I truly believe they will get the bugs worked out of the ZD's. If they only would start using a fabricated deck and get rid of that stamped thing...........Lynn

KeesBBAI
09-10-2002, 11:38 PM
This thread is hillarious........guys using gas powered, belt laden, ZTR's talking of "less maintenance problems" than that of a Kubota diesel!!! Have any of you ever peeked around the corner at the service bay at your dealer????:D


Pure comedy

Scag48
09-10-2002, 11:46 PM
Kubota diesel engines are bulletproof. If you ever screw them up, you'll pay for it. Very expensive to work on. We've put 3500 hrs. on our Kubota 27 hp diesel tractor. Still running strong. Even with that said, I'd say go with the Exmark. Like TLS said, it's a proven design. I'm not bashing Kubota, just saying that 1,700 more for a diesel isn't logical in this situation. Even though Albermarle laid out the diesel facts well, I still believe Exmark is the way to go. Good luck.