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Mike M
05-27-2009, 11:08 PM
I am doing an estimate for an outdoor living area and I need ideas for stainless steel fixtures to mount to a pergola.

This is a contractor's own home, he has one sweeping archway/pergola over 4 different cooking areas (two smokers and a very wide grill). He requested LED's (because that's what he saw out west) and he wants visible stainless steel fixtures (matching parts of his equipment), perhaps on stems?

He is using the area to showcase the outdoor living kitchens/stoves/etc. that he sells from his retail location. What's sweet, is that he already has prep-work complete for concealing wires and accessing power for various planters and other features he is building.

Also, I need help for outdoor switching of a controller. The products I see are for indoor mounting or desktop. He wants at least two circuits with switchable on/off from the grilling area. There will be cabinets built into stonework with power available in there. He also asked about a remote switch?

Any help appreciated, thanks!

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 11:08 AM
Mike Not sure what type of fixtures your thinking of but we can make fixtures that resemble stainless steel....any of our copper or brass can be coated in Titanium Knight finish to resemble Stainless Steel.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/DSC_0779.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/DSC_0787.jpg

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/P1050415.jpg

Mike M
05-28-2009, 11:15 AM
Joey, that is so cool.

Do you happen to have any pics of fixtures in visible locations hanging from pergolas? (the pic doesn't have to be a fixture in stainless steel)

I'd like to specify something today if possible.

Mike

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 11:35 AM
Here are some pics of our new Saturn-I (inverted), it wouldnot use an LED however but would come with a 20w 10K hr lamp and could be ordered with a 10w 20K hr lamp.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/SilverMoon8.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/DSC_6492.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/DSC_6493.jpg


We also have our Envoy and Enterprises
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/ApplicationShots012.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/Enterprise.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/ApplicationShots011.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/envoy001.jpg
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/nateapplication4004.jpg

We have actual chain hanging lights like the Observer and comet. The Comet can be used with an LED MR16

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/hangingobserver003.jpg

Mike M
05-28-2009, 12:06 PM
Thanks, man! That was fast.

I would imagine that the shrouded down lights you have would also look good on the pergolas.

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 12:32 PM
absolutly!

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 12:33 PM
here was a fancy pergola that we designed. It used all Side Mount Probes and Comets!

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/StoneBrewery063.jpg

worx
05-28-2009, 02:03 PM
Joey how did you run the wire in that fourth photo,....through the timber?

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 02:50 PM
all the wire was laced on top of the timber and then covered with wood corner molding and stained to match....

Lite4
05-28-2009, 03:29 PM
Mike, for controls you may look to ABT. The RF would be easier if you are looking for just simple zone control switching. A simple hand held remote or wall mounted transmitter would be just the thing if it is mounted inside on of the cabinets.

Mike M
05-28-2009, 04:00 PM
Tim, I don't have much experience with user interfaced controls, except I do use the Aube switch and the Nightscaping/Aube controller.

Are you suggesting any of the models usually used indoors, to work as well outside as long as they are inside the "outdoor kitchen" cabinet? I wasn't sure if they were okay in the elements.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike M
05-28-2009, 05:37 PM
Joey;

Do you have any images of structure-mounted down lights with that stainless steel PVD finish?

That would be awesome. If not, just run to the shop and spray some silver rustoleum on one and take a pic.

Thanks!

Mike

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 05:54 PM
hahaha..........Let me see if I can get some more pics of fixtures withthe PVD but before you get to caught up in PVD know it costs mucho $$$$$ and lead time. Best bet is to use the Titanium Knight powder coat.....

Lite4
05-28-2009, 05:58 PM
Mike,
The ABT wires into your trans. The switch is either a hand held remote or you can use a stationary remote, (wall txmitter with sticky tape. Peel tape off back and stick to wall inside cabinet). It really is that simple. You could stick the wall txmitter in the house too if you would rather.

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 06:08 PM
Here is the observer in the nickle PVD finish...

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb97/ulsjoeyd/lighting/ObserverPVD.jpg

Mike M
05-28-2009, 06:25 PM
What about the probe or the north star? How much money? Powder-coat is for girls.

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 06:33 PM
hahahaa.....I only have the Probe or Northstar in what we call the "Rose" colored PVD finish which is not what your looking for so no I dont have those lights in the "Nickle" finish. I will look for what the adder was to have the PVD finish done. But if I remember we only can run the PVD with a sizeable order. So although Powder is for Girls it may be the best way to go. But I will confirm. I will also check if we can do a Nickle dip for you.....

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 06:51 PM
ok so we can do the PVD finish which we call our Dynasty Line. We do have minimum piece order but can get special quoting. Pricing has been PM'd



It isnt cheap but it is an awesome finish! I did verify that we could do some Nickle plating on our lights for an upcharge but it wouldnt be as expensive but it also isnt anywhere as nice and durable.

Mike M
05-28-2009, 07:12 PM
ok so we can do the PVD finish which we call our Dynasty Line. We do have minimum piece order but can get special quoting. Pricing has been PM'd

I got the retail prices. How much of a percentage of one fixture would make the minimal order? I'm thinking one in the middle of the pergola, with only the front and bottom section finished, maybe 40% total.

Mike M
05-28-2009, 07:14 PM
Almost forgot to ask--you got some old samples, maybe four in a box somewhere?

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 07:25 PM
geez Mike....Half the fixture, hahahah.....your killing me! LOL

Let me see what we have. I am not sure we have any samples for sale. I think you may be better suited to do a nickle plate finish and have it send it to our local shop to have it dipped...if its only 1 or 2 lights. I think our minimum for PVD is 50 pieces but thats being confirmed.

Pro-Scapes
05-28-2009, 07:48 PM
geez mike your making this way more difficult than it is. Pick the fixture you want to use and the client approves of. Have Joey nickle dip em or get them dipped locally and do the install lol.

I have some other solutions but Joeys might be easier and better. Mine would probably be a 120v solution and thinking outside the box I would probably pull something like the Geek would do. Without pictures of the area tho it is hard to spec a fixture for a specialty application. If you want probe OSM just order it and have either joey dip it or dip it locally. Dont forget focus has stainless flex BBQ lights which are great for grill areas and come with a switch built in. I like to be able to move the light around a bit for tasks around the bbq. Wait til you see the island style cantina we are building .

JoeyD
05-28-2009, 08:00 PM
why you got to be jacking my orders Billy? damn! hahah.....Tell him about the Hubble!!!

Mike M
05-28-2009, 08:15 PM
Why the heck did it take everyone so long to bring up nickel plating??

I could have had these things plugged into a timer by now.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
05-28-2009, 10:24 PM
Mike. The client asked for Stainless Steel. Stainless Steel is Stainless Steel, anything else is not. You owe it to your client to find some products that he has asked for, even if it means building two designs and quotes.

I would recommend you take a look at Hunza. They make some awesome SS architectural fixtures. http://www.hunza.co.nz/seriesContemporary.html

Intense Lighting also has some very nice SS stuff. http://www.intenselighting.com/series.php?id=5

I think you can do better than some upside down pathlights hanging from the ceiling too. (no offense Joey, its just an style thing :) ) Think architectural fixtures that fit the style of the architecture and think projected that is bounced and reflected rather than ambient light.

Have fun.

Mike M
05-29-2009, 09:28 AM
James, I've already planned to send this guy Hunza specs in a package, but I didn't see this model, looks awesome. But I think the Probe OSB nickel dipped recommended by Billy is a great choice too, I could let the client decide. A.J. at FOLD has been very helpful at helping me go over my choices. The rest of this job is cake.

I have to admit, that stainless steel fixture would be awesome on the stone face he is building on everything.

James, are those retro LED's fixed by the driver, or are they dim-able? Also, doesn't Hunza offer LED's? I'll need to spend time on their site but I have to bolt out the door this AM for landscaping. Be back this early PM.

Thanks,

Mike

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
05-29-2009, 09:33 AM
As far as I know, Hunza's offerings in LEDs are limited to popping a colorstars LED lamp inside their products. I would use another LED lamp myself, as I have not been very impressed with the colorstars products.

JoeyD
05-29-2009, 10:21 AM
Mike. The client asked for Stainless Steel. Stainless Steel is Stainless Steel, anything else is not. You owe it to your client to find some products that he has asked for, even if it means building two designs and quotes.

I would recommend you take a look at Hunza. They make some awesome SS architectural fixtures. http://www.hunza.co.nz/seriesContemporary.html

Intense Lighting also has some very nice SS stuff. http://www.intenselighting.com/series.php?id=5

I think you can do better than some upside down pathlights hanging from the ceiling too. (no offense Joey, its just an style thing :) ) Think architectural fixtures that fit the style of the architecture and think projected that is bounced and reflected rather than ambient light.

Have fun.

Trust me James, I am not offended...... You know what they say about opinions.....:laugh: We do our best to offer solutions, some may like it some may not and thats OK.

SOUTHERNGREENSCAPES
05-30-2009, 01:07 PM
Here are some pics of a Kitchen we did last year. We used all unique fixtures. Quasars for down lights, envoys for the pendants, comets for post lighting and some under counter lights. we put all the lights on dimmers so that the customer could set their own moods. it hurts bulb life a little, but the results are dramatic.

SOUTHERNGREENSCAPES
05-30-2009, 01:13 PM
Here is another pergola we did and used the same lights and ceiling fan.

BTW Joey, I am digging the new 24v system. So much less wire it is rediculous.

Mike M
05-31-2009, 12:23 AM
Those evening pics are awesome!

SOUTHERNGREENSCAPES
05-31-2009, 01:54 PM
thanks Mike.

JoeyD
06-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Here is another pergola we did and used the same lights and ceiling fan.

BTW Joey, I am digging the new 24v system. So much less wire it is rediculous.

That is awesome!! BTW I think we are using a few of your pictures in the new 2009-10 catalog!! The 24v Intelli-System is awesome! Keep up the great work!

CedarStore
03-17-2010, 12:30 PM
The photos from JoeyD and Southern Greenscapes are absolutely breathtaking. I love the island in the outdoor kitchen, and the pergolas in Southern Greenscapes' photos are so eye-catching. Thanks for the inspiration!