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INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
05-30-2009, 12:28 AM
I have a client building a large timber trellis. The front vertical columns (posts) are to be downlit from the 8x12 timbers above as well as uplit from garden bed below.

The architect and the builder are pushing to use a recessed fixture in the bottom of the timbers to achieve the downlighting. I am strongly advising against this as I know of no fixture that is listed for the application. My advice is to mount Hunza DL-Cop fixtures on the ends of the timbers.

I know there are 'puck' style fixtures that could be mounted to the underside of the timbers, but they are ugly, they produce a lot of glare, and they do not use focused lamps, making my job a PITA.

Do you know of any recessed fixture, that uses MR16 lamps, that is safe to install in this appliation?

David Gretzmier
05-30-2009, 04:03 PM
I've used 3 inch can lights, aimable, and just switched out the GU sockets for MR's, but only on the underside metal soffit cover ( non combustable) and only when a master electrician actually connects the light. Those cans get hot, even with a 20 watt MR, they are not rated to even touch insulation in a home, but some have shrouds that help a tiny bit with glare. Probably not what you are looking for, but thats the only experience I have with recessed downlighting mounted on structure.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
05-30-2009, 10:46 PM
Thanks David. My concern is the heat as well. It is fine to go and install an LED lamp now, but if someone were to come along in the future and pop in a Halogen lamp, we would have a safety issue.

This is a case where any recessed solution must be fully approved for the application. And to think there are LV Lighting manufacturers out there who maintain that LV lighting fixtures require no listings! Hogwash. This is the perfect example of why all electrical devices must be properly approved and listed.

Mike M
05-31-2009, 12:16 AM
Hey James, this doesn't answer your question, but I was wondering if you keep sample fixtures like that SS Hunza on hand to show clients? I think it would make explaining your point to them easier. I know you have many fixtures for many apps, yadda yadda, but a few solid, impressive go-to's must be helpful to have at a consultation. Especially if you value them yourself for whatever design benefits.

David Gretzmier
05-31-2009, 02:40 AM
I think the tough part is getting those listings from UL. an approved mr-16 or GU can to touch combustables has a huge 12 inch x 12 inch heatsink box, and typically has a double or triple wall of airspace within that box to keep the outer layer from being hot enough to ignite any combustable material. it would be impossible to hide such an approved can in tiberframe pergola.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
05-31-2009, 06:55 PM
Yes, I have quite a nice collection of sample fixtures that I use to show clients when needed, although it rarely comes up. Most clients don't even ask about fixture selection and on most new home builds I am working with and through architects, designers and builders. Not a lot of time to run out and show a sample everytime a hiccup occurs, so spec sheets generally suffice.

Hey James, this doesn't answer your question, but I was wondering if you keep sample fixtures like that SS Hunza on hand to show clients? I think it would make explaining your point to them easier. I know you have many fixtures for many apps, yadda yadda, but a few solid, impressive go-to's must be helpful to have at a consultation. Especially if you value them yourself for whatever design benefits.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
05-31-2009, 06:59 PM
I think I might have the solution.


I have written the company and asked specifically about coring these into timber beams.

I plan on using LED MR16 lamps and installing a 0.5 amp inline fuse at the fixture connection point inside the cavity of the timber. Then if someone comes along in the future and pops in a 20W Halogen lamp, the fuse will blow.

06-01-2009, 10:46 AM
thats a bitchin little light by Focus! Very cool!!

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
06-04-2009, 12:05 AM
Nightscaping is dropping the ball big time and I am stuck.

I need to find 20 small format flood lights like the NS Softliter or MiniWashLiter, Ideally in raw copper or raw brass so that they fit into the rest of the lighting system.

I know Unique has the stellar but the finish is not going to work out for this highly picky client. Coppermoon product is too chunky for this application.

Any help would be appreciated.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
06-04-2009, 12:40 AM
Has anyone have any experience with the Focus DL-15 fixture?


06-04-2009, 01:04 AM
How about this one?


06-04-2009, 10:54 AM
James, I just replied to your email!

06-04-2009, 09:59 PM
Gregg that looks exactly like an SPJ wash I had laying around I installed in my landscape 2 yrs ago. No issues with it at all. Mine uses an automotive type lamp tho. Never even changed the lamp in it come to think of it.

06-04-2009, 10:05 PM

Talk to Doug he has a smaller version of the 890 in the mix right now. Might be on the way now ?? I have never had anyone pic raw brass over a finished product before. Most usually ask for a darker finish

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
06-05-2009, 01:44 AM
Billy... Spoke to Doug at Coppermoon today and he put his sample unit in a box and shipped it up to me. He is supposed to have stock of the new mini flood by Mid June. Basically a 1/3 size version of the CM890. I am looking forward to that.

Also, Doug is going to have the CM890 Reflector moved behind the socket and I talked him into changing the lead wire connections from the lower stem to inside the body of the fixture. A drastically needed improvement.


06-05-2009, 09:19 AM
I agree. I have seen a new fixture where that connection is made behind a heatshiled inside the fixture with a regular 16ga hanging out. You can even change the socket without pulling the fixture out of the ground. A real bonus for anything that is structure mounted.

I am sure I will be seeing the new mini before long as I use a fair amount of the 890's

06-05-2009, 10:49 AM
The most versatile mini wash on the market!!! Available in Natural Brass..The Stellar by Unique Lighting!










06-05-2009, 12:13 PM
Joey how are those fixtures mounted on the garden pot?

06-05-2009, 03:55 PM
They knocked the knuckles off of the Stellar and the anchored them in using screws.....Pretty easy actually!

07-16-2009, 01:22 AM
Hey Joey, In one of the above pics you have a cover plate that the stellar is attached to. Does that cover plate attach to an electrical octogon box? If so do they come with the stellar or is that a special order?

07-16-2009, 11:06 AM
If your talking about this picture, this is our Uni-Bracket or better known as the Gutter Bracket. It is a mounting option that you can order.



This picture shows the Steller mounted to our Sphere Base which is also a mounting option....


This picture shows the Steller powdercoated in White and mounted to an off the shelf mounting plate. I would assume this plate is designed for security flood lights and is available at home stores or a local electrical supply house.....Notice the INCLUDED Dimpled Spread Lens in the fixture!


Here your seeing the Steller mounted to one of our Brass Risers used mainly for raising path lights and bullet lights but also used creativly in situations like this.


Hope this helps! I strongly beleive this is one of if not our most versatile fixture. Used on almost every Unique job I have ever been a part of.