Horse arena

[BrandonV]

ok gents I have a rather large horse field(s) that might need some sprinks (ed might remember the local) anyways what's going to be the best head for the spot. I'll have to check my records but I'm thinking we were getting around 50gpm at 75psi, but I think the well could be dialed up another notch, its a variable speed pump so it'll REALLY hum.
I was thinking something in line of a i40s or i60s depending if i was right on the pressure/flow. what's going to be the best thing for horses? do i need sod cups to hid them? just an idea. Here's an ariel shot, I'd be doing the field at the top left first :-)

[TRILAWNCARE]

Do you know what the well rated for? (GPM, draw down, recovery rate)

GOT to start at the beginning, if you know what I mean.

[Mike Leary]

I don't think the horses give a rat what kind of head is there. What they don't like is being spooked; I'd design it with two or three head zones so they can move out of the way. Looks like a slight downward slope; go across the slope so you can adjust for any runoff.

[hoskm01]

ok gents I have a rather large horse field(s) that might need some sprinks (ed might remember the local) anyways what's going to be the best head for the spot. I'll have to check my records but I'm thinking we were getting around 50gpm at 75psi, but I think the well could be dialed up another notch, its a variable speed pump so it'll REALLY hum.
I was thinking something in line of a i40s or i60s depending if i was right on the pressure/flow. what's going to be the best thing for horses? do i need sod cups to hid them? just an idea. Here's an ariel shot, I'd be doing the field at the top left first :-)
Sod cups are the Bomb.com.


Whatever the head, allow for flexion under the head at whatever the joint is. Never dealt with it, but I bet the force from a hoof on a good direct hit, even on a sod cup, would crack most el's or joints.

[Beartooth]

I've installed a couple of underground sytems in horse pasture/meadow. I agree w/ Matt that swing joints are a must. Treat the install just as you would a high-impact athletic field, i.e. soccer or football. I have used both Rainbird 6504's as well as I-60's both are excellent choices for this application.

[AI Inc]

I wouldnt use pvc swing joints as I have 1 stop Im always replacing broken ones. I Have now started replacing them with 1" poly and a 90 degree MA

[BrandonV]

i have in the past always used poly for 1" swing joints the thing I need help with the most is that the HO is concerned with the horses being curious, ie chewing on them/ pawing them. The horses won't be in the field when they're running. i suppose the best thing to do is just lay it out accordingly and leave them a few extra heads for damage control.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

I'm guessing you won't try motion sensors.

[unit28]

out here they use tripods..
seen them in TX too.

But back in the day grandpa used flood irrigation.
And Of course he had a mountain with a good river on it to get great flow down the valley. Bad thing was he had to use cobble stones to stop the section zones from causing to much run off, then he'd go back to the head waters and shut the main gate...

we've come a long way fellas.

[greenmonster304]

I service a horse farm that has I 20 SS heads. some times I have to go a straiten a few heads because the horses dig their feet in when jumping a knock them out of level. The spoking of the horses isnt an issue because all the horses go in the stalls by 4:00 pm.

[Wet_Boots]

You can get 1-inch marlex ells for swing-jointing larger heads.

[Mike Leary]

I've used sod cups, and I'd stick with the regular rubber covers. Definitely use soft swing joints.

[Wet_Boots]

Also, a support flange could give the heads the needed stability.

[BrandonV]

I've installed a couple of underground sytems in horse pasture/meadow. I agree w/ Matt that swing joints are a must. Treat the install just as you would a high-impact athletic field, i.e. soccer or football. I have used both Rainbird 6504's as well as I-60's both are excellent choices for this application.

tell me more about the i60s never installed one but looking through the books it appears the way to go, especially since I'm pretty limited by the 75psi though I can bump it if need be.

[hoskm01]

tell me more about the i60s never installed one but looking through the books it appears the way to go, especially since I'm pretty limited by the 75psi though I can bump it if need be.
Go with the Falcons!

[DanaMac]

Go with the Falcons!

Go Falcons!!!

[Beartooth]

Honestly if I had my preference I would side w/ the CO boys and go w/ the RB Falcons as well. However, I have to disagree w/ the opinions on the swing joints. Use a RB tsj-12 along with the rotor and you can't go wrong. Even a Clydesdale will not exert enough lbs. per square inch to damage a swing joint! I do side with Boots on the marlex though--great choice! If you decide to go with Hunter, consider the I-25 it's a good medium distance head with proven durability and a wide variety of nozzling options.

[hoskm01]

Honestly if I had my preference I would side w/ the CO boys and go w/ the RB Falcons as well. However, I have to disagree w/ the opinions on the swing joints. Use a RB tsj-12 along with the rotor and you can't go wrong. Even a Clydesdale will not exert enough lbs. per square inch to damage a swing joint! I do side with Boots on the marlex though--great choice! If you decide to go with Hunter, consider the I-25 it's a good medium distance head with proven durability and a wide variety of nozzling options.
Beartooth... Are you still working up in WYO? Or are you too, a CO BOY?

[Beartooth]

Livng in CO on the weekends...working in this God-forsaken desert they call Wyoming M-F!!!!!

[hoskm01]

Livng in CO on the weekends...working in this God-forsaken desert they call Wyoming M-F!!!!!
Move it south. Gotta make a beer day per week soon.

[Beartooth]

Sounds like motivation for a longer work week if I've ever heard it!

[hoskm01]

Sounds like motivation for a longer work week if I've ever heard it!
Okay, no beer day for you!

[AI Inc]

Livng in CO on the weekends...working in this God-forsaken desert they call Wyoming M-F!!!!!

But the hwy pass they named after you is a cool ride.

[Mike Leary]

But the hwy pass they named after you is a cool ride.

Ditto that, even in the mo/ho.

[AI Inc]

Mike ya ever go east out of the northeast gate thur the Cheif Joseph scenic hwy? Heading towards Cody . MT 296 I think.

[Mike Leary]

Mike ya ever go east out of the northeast gate thur the Cheif Joseph scenic hwy? Heading towards Cody

Yes, killer road. Stop it! You're making me road horny.:waving:

[AI Inc]

Im getting the itch myself. Told the wife we may have to head west in August.

[Mike Leary]

Im getting the itch myself. Told the wife we may have to head west in August.

Starting to have the makings of a sprinkler rendezvous in Colorado.:clapping::drinkup:

[AI Inc]

Id love to sit down and break bread with you boys !

[hoskm01]

Im getting the itch myself. Told the wife we may have to head west in August.

Starting to have the makings of a sprinkler rendezvous in Colorado.:clapping::drinkup:

Id love to sit down and break bread with you boys !




"""Ding""" "You are now free to move about the Country!"


Propose a date. Lets break bread, break china, break spirits, whatever!

[Mike Leary]

"""Ding""" "You are now free to move about the Country!"

There is a pass in northern Wyoming east of Sheridan steeper than The Beartooth. The locals call it "OH MY GAWD HILL".

[Wet_Boots]

I always like the quaint name "Breakneck" for those really steep roads.

[Mike Leary]

"OMG Hill" has ten miles of 10 % grades. Just when your knuckles get some color, there's another 18 miles of 8%. :dizzy:

[Wet_Boots]

When it's very old roads that are that steep, you have to wonder how a wagon and horses handled the grades.

[TRILAWNCARE]

When it's very old roads that are that steep, you have to wonder how a wagon and horses handled the grades.

A lot of wagons had brakes. If a lot of braking power was needed or the wagon had no brakes, the wheels on wagons would be chained through the spokes so the wheel could not turn and then skidded down a steep grade. And I'm sure there were a lot of accidents from trying to navigate down steep hills by horse and wagon.

As for going up a hill, hitch up enough horses and they will get the job done. Where do you think the term "Horsepower" came from.... Originally used to compare the power of steam engines to draft horses.

Just a little trivia for ya....

[Mike Leary]

On "OMG" and the "Beartooth", you had better plan which way to jump if the buggy
got out of control; the wrong way is about 4k.

[Mike Leary]

On "OMG" and the "Beartooth", you had better plan which way to jump if the buggy
got out of control; the wrong way is about 4k.

[hoskm01]

On "OMG" and the "Beartooth", you had better plan which way to jump if the buggy
got out of control; the wrong way is about 4k.
How about Black Bear Pass. I wager I may be the only one on the LS who has attempted... Someboady prove me wrong.

Couldnt do it in ANY vehicle.

[AI Inc]

Wheres the pics , I want pics!

[CAPT Stream Rotar]

that place looks very familiar

[bicmudpuppy]

Brandon, I'm going to use the 4-letter word............TORO. I know, I know, but take a hard look at their 855 VIH w/ 65psi pilot valve. I am only buying 855 conversion assemblies for my 750 bodies now, instead of the obsolete 674's that I have now. It would mean only running one or two heads at a time, and they are a bit pricey, but I like the durability of them and 70' is the short side for distance. Biggest drawback is they are considered a golf head and have to come from a "golf" distributor. For various reasons, I don't get the best pricing, but I'm paying about $200/head for a body and assembly. (you don't buy whole heads at this level, you buy the valve body separate from the conversion assembly that inserts into the body of the head).

K, got my catalog out. The installed nozzle for the part#855S-5558R (nozzles 55-58 to go into a ribbed body) is the #55. It is rated for 76'@65psi w/ 33.8gpm. The #56 is rated for 81'@65psi w/ 35.7gpm . To go to a larger nozzle, you have to order the body @ 80psi. The chart looks like this for 80psi nozzle set

#55 79' 37.2gpm
#56 85' 39.4gpm
#57 89' 43.6gpm
#58 92' 47.5gpm
#59 96' 57.0gpm (If you order this nozzle in an assembly, it is the only nozzle you get. You can order nozzles separately, but the nozzle set runs about $8 -that is the three nozzles to make up the nozzle set in the head at one time)

[hoskm01]

Wheres the pics , I want pics!


I made this trip up to the Family Cabin in the summer of '03. Green Mountain Falls is just 10 miles up the road from Dana.

Drove overnight on the way up from Flagstaff. Full Throttle all night across the REZ=SCARY. Trip home I took 80% dirt.

Black Bear Pass drops into Telluride from the East. The pics hardly do the incline justice. No guardrails, no fences, just sheer drop for 2-3k at times. Entered at the same time as the yellow jeep in the pics. Highway drive around is 200 miles, actual road over Black Bear is about 5 miles. In Telluride at the bottom pics; had a muffin, cleaned my pants and got back on the road.


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[DanaMac]

Been up to Tin Cup, but never Black Bear.
Learn to re-size the pics newbie. Now I have to scroll side to side......

[hoskm01]

Been up to Tin Cup, but never Black Bear.
Learn to re-size the pics newbie. Now I have to scroll side to side......
Bahhh. Oops. Ill get rid of that one.



Done

[Tom Tom]

I've been up Tin Cup pass too.

Snow on road in July! We had to shovel about 100' to continue. Pretty freakin' awesome!

Great pics Matt

[Mike Leary]

Great pics, Matt, makes me wish I still had my Land Rover!

[DanaMac]

GF and I used to wheel up Modano Pass, camp a couple days, and exit out through Sand Dunes National Park. Kind of cool, except you have to PAY to EXIT. Think we're going camping next weekend. About damn time too.

[BrandonV]

Brandon, I'm going to use the 4-letter word............TORO. I know, I know, but take a hard look at their 855 VIH w/ 65psi pilot valve. I am only buying 855 conversion assemblies for my 750 bodies now, instead of the obsolete 674's that I have now. It would mean only running one or two heads at a time, and they are a bit pricey, but I like the durability of them and 70' is the short side for distance. Biggest drawback is they are considered a golf head and have to come from a "golf" distributor. For various reasons, I don't get the best pricing, but I'm paying about $200/head for a body and assembly. (you don't buy whole heads at this level, you buy the valve body separate from the conversion assembly that inserts into the body of the head).

K, got my catalog out. The installed nozzle for the part#855S-5558R (nozzles 55-58 to go into a ribbed body) is the #55. It is rated for 76'@65psi w/ 33.8gpm. The #56 is rated for 81'@65psi w/ 35.7gpm . To go to a larger nozzle, you have to order the body @ 80psi. The chart looks like this for 80psi nozzle set

#55 79' 37.2gpm
#56 85' 39.4gpm
#57 89' 43.6gpm
#58 92' 47.5gpm
#59 96' 57.0gpm (If you order this nozzle in an assembly, it is the only nozzle you get. You can order nozzles separately, but the nozzle set runs about $8 -that is the three nozzles to make up the nozzle set in the head at one time)

Thanks for the info. I'll look into it but I'm afaird this thras has offically been hijacked.
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[TRILAWNCARE]

Thanks for the info. I'll look into it but I'm afaird this thras has offically been hijacked.
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Surprise, Surprise, Surprise. What thread doesn't get hijacked?? :laugh:

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[Mike Leary]

Thanks for the info. I'll look into it but I'm afaird this thras has offically been hijacked.

Spelling nazi wants a word with you after work.

[BrandonV]

Spelling nazi wants a word with you after work.

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[BrandonV]

heres my first draft of a plan, i'm splitting it up to install in phases if need be because of budget. I have changed one thing in that I'm going to run the lines more directly to the left instead of grouping the valves so much on the large field on the right. I decided to have all the valves outside of the field as to keep horseys off... am I right on that?

[bicmudpuppy]

Scale? What heads did you decide to use? What spacing does that actually work out to? The arena on the left is 3 heads/zone, while the one on the right looks like 4. Left is mostly PC, right is fulls? We were talking about 50gpm, how did the design end up in that respect?

[hoskm01]

Scale? What heads did you decide to use? What spacing does that actually work out to? The arena on the left is 3 heads/zone, while the one on the right looks like 4. Left is mostly PC, right is fulls? We were talking about 50gpm, how did the design end up in that respect?
Awfully inquisitive at 0600, arent we?

:)

[BrandonV]

Good greif thought I'd be the only one up at 5. Heads spaced about 60' oc with i60s throwing 13gpm. I'll need to do a psi/gpm check before going much further, just did this to get a ball park in materials/ labor. Owner wants a ballpark and then it'll be yes no with some upgrade potential, i'd like to use 2 wire so we can later add the two fields to the right if so desired.
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[Mike Leary]

Quite a few of us up at 5; looks good, Brandon. Two wire is a great idea.

[bicmudpuppy]

Awfully inquisitive at 0600, arent we?

:)

Day is all down hill by then. Half a pot of coffee gone, property check done, and extra irrigation to cover any possible deficiencies from the night water already running. If I'm here, that means I've already checked e-mail and am down to "mundane" things.

[bicmudpuppy]

Good greif thought I'd be the only one up at 5. Heads spaced about 60' oc with i60s throwing 13gpm. I'll need to do a psi/gpm check before going much further, just did this to get a ball park in materials/ labor. Owner wants a ballpark and then it'll be yes no with some upgrade potential, i'd like to use 2 wire so we can later add the two fields to the right if so desired.
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I'm curious how things compare. I count 48 heads. If we compare 80psi Toro bodies with 90' heads I come up with 36 total heads. That would also mean 36 zones......(almost 50gpm/head), BUT total run time shouldn't change.

[BrandonV]

Alright another twist! Spoke with client Friday, loves everything may want to do the other larger field as well! Wants info on fertigation :-0. I told her the truth. . Never done it and don't k ow if it's avoid idea with our soil being clay and all. Told her I'd research. So guys where do I start? Who has done it on this scale?
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[BrandonV]

was hoping for some guidance here obi-wan.
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[Kiril]

So guys where do I start?

Start by getting the soils tested. If this is pasture, IMO I think fertigation is serious overkill, especially considering the home (horse) made source of compost already available. ;)

[BrandonV]

I totally agree krill. But this pasture also has to be pretty. I saw fertigator has a setup for atletic fields, I suupose I'd be in this category. I'll give them a call on Monday.
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[Mike Leary]

I researched fertigation and did locate a company that offered organic application. I agree with Kiril; it might be overkill and a soil test should be taken. That being said, hell, if you've got a client that wants it pristine, go for it. :clapping:

[hoskm01]

I totally agree krill. But this pasture also has to be pretty. I saw fertigator has a setup for atletic fields, I suupose I'd be in this category. I'll give them a call on Monday.
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Ive never done it on that level, at that size, B. But they are pretty easily programmable and can be turned up, down, on and off at your command. Its a pretty easy upgrade, GO FOR IT.