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stslawncare
04-06-2002, 06:48 PM
does anyone have one of those all wheel steer john deere tractors? i havent seen one in person but have seen them on there webpage. whats the turning radius on these? how would u compare it to a ztr and a garden tractor? might it be good for a beginner who cant afford a ztr?

MuskTurfKing
04-06-2002, 06:53 PM
Scottie, I'm pretty sure those AWS tractors are about as much as a Z. Not worth it IMO. And I think they're considered homeowner.

Hank

wxmn6
04-06-2002, 07:05 PM
No, they are not only for homeowners. John Deere have All Wheel Steer on the 400 and 500 series lawn and garden tractors as a option. These 400 and 500 series tractors are truly like a farm tractor, only that it is smaller. There are tons of attachment that you can put on these tractors. Like a loader, power sweeper, tiller, hydraulic bagger, etc.

MuskTurfKing
04-06-2002, 07:09 PM
Yeah, the 400 and up series is commercial, but they are EXPENSIVE! I wouldn't mess with one for just mowing purposes, I'd get a Z, but if you needed it for lots of landscaping purposes it would be a good piece of equipment.

Hank

wxmn6
04-06-2002, 07:16 PM
According to the specification sheet, it says that JD 400 Series AWS with 60" deck have trim radius of 6.5"

IMO, I think it will be a great way for beginner to start with. There are alot of attachments that you can add to 400 and 500 series tractors for other work such as a loader for moving soil or mulch. With a ZTR, it cannot take attachments.

MuskTurfKing
04-06-2002, 07:24 PM
I agree with ya. It sounds like it would be a valueable piece of equipment for Scottie since he does do a lot of work with soil and stuff of that sort. That type of work doesn't really attract me though...

Hank

stslawncare
04-06-2002, 08:37 PM
i dont one, i was just asking, i have a tractor and my next mower will be a walkbehind then a z

andyslawns
04-07-2002, 08:34 PM
I looked at a new JD 455. They are nice but not that nice for $11k. And my Buddy has a Kabota AWS it is pretty nice, Feels like you are doing donuts when you turn. But it was $9100 and had very few attachments for it. Buy a ZTR and be done with it.

southside
04-09-2002, 10:55 AM
Kubota make the G1800. It has 4WS,16hp diesel,48"deck.
Very quick for their size.Quite manueverable,although not as good
as a Z. Definately not for home owners. I don't think their cut
quality is as good a a good Z mower. Tends to scalp a little.
Not enough float on the deck.
JD don't hav an 4WS model over here yet.

rockcreeklawnser.
04-16-2002, 09:19 AM
Just remember that the more moving parts that you have, there is more to go wrong. I have never tried one, but I tink I would go with a ztr. All equipment has it`s ups and downs. As an ex farmer a small piece of advice... if it has t*ts or wheels it`s gonna give you problems!

FrankenScagMachines
04-22-2002, 03:37 PM
I have used the Deere's - all models, when workin' part time at a deere dealer. Just driving them around, but the AWS is awesome. The 400 series ones have power steering and with a 72" deck they will actually have a negative number for trim radius. They are a nice tractor, but for mowing only, or even snowplowing, get a Z. I'm not sure what all attachments the 400 AWS series takes, but i'm sure it will not take a loader because of stability issues. Check the website but i'm sure it doesn't. Also check out the new 400X and 500X series, 4WD, maybe a 4WDAWS model, now that would be sweet!
They wouldn't be bad for mowing , but if you don't need it for anything else a Z is better.

That's just my 2 cents, but hey, it's only 2 cents! LOL....

yorkpaddy
04-25-2002, 04:53 PM
the 400 series loader is lightweight. Its not rated for ground engaging work. That means it can scoop from a pile, but it really isn't good at digging or grading. If you want that kind of loader you have to look at a kubota BX series which cost about the same as the JD 400 series. Even with the short turning radius of all wheel steer, you are still over the deck. So you can't put the deck under trees like you could with a Z or walk behind.

65hoss
04-26-2002, 09:46 AM
No they would not be good for a beginner. Yes, they are a good garden tractor, but they are still a garden tractor. They are also expensive. Even the baseline spin steer is not cheap. Regardless of the attachments you still have a better turning garden tractor. Not a comm'l mower.