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MS_SURVEYOR
06-09-2009, 11:06 PM
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Seems the wife got in the saddle and didn't want to get off.

Sorry about the pictures. I didn't have my camera. Only the phone cam.

We got our Bad Boy Pup 52 inch with the 30hp Kohler from Scott Tractor today.

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I can't say enough about Scott and John Gardner of Scott Tractor. Along with Doug Brasel of Bad Boy, and Bad Boy for making this mower. I also give credit to all the help Bad Boy owners have given us. And the members of this site, puppypaws, tocoma200, SfTD_service_CENTER, Mickhippy, MJB, Lonny90, jcltyson, and retrodog (for all your past post)!

If I had any worries about the Kohler having enough azz to cut through some tuff grass and weeds, I don't any more. The Kohler tach out at 3450 rpms with the blades engaged, and never dropped below 3350 rps through the thickest of grass and weeds. This is the first ztr we have owned. The learning curve driving the Bad Boy Pup was easy and fast. We looked like drunk monkeys at first. But got into the grove fast enough. My yard is rough. So soon after John Gardner showed us the controls, a safety briefing, and some tips on cutting, we sent him on his way. Thanks John! I checked the tire pressures and got the rear tires down to 12 psi. The ride was smooth enough, ever thou we keep speeds down because of the tall grass. We put 2 hours on the Pup cutting about 2 acres. Not bad in my book being it would have taken my 4 hours or more with the 16hp 46 inch Saber. I was in bad need of bush hogging. So it could have taken me longer. I've had bush hogs drop many more rps cutting the same Bahia grass than the Pup with the 30hp Kohler. The cut was very good for the shape and height of the Bahia grass. It'll take a couple more cuttings before we get things under control. But! Tomorrow or the next day we move to the really bad stuff! I'll have better pictures and a more detail report.

This picture says it all.

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THANKS TO ALL!

:cool2:

MS_SURVEYOR and WIFE!

tacoma200
06-09-2009, 11:09 PM
Well I hope I'm the first to congratulate you and your new helper.

BadRancher
06-09-2009, 11:10 PM
Congrats!!! That is a nice mower!!!!

Haha. Thats funny. You got a new mower and lost it an hour or so later, but your wife found it. Finders Keepers.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-09-2009, 11:35 PM
Congrats!!! That is a nice mower!!!!

Haha. Thats funny. You got a new mower and lost it an hour or so later, but your wife found it. Finders Keepers.


:laugh:

Thanks BadRancher! We've been needing something to make life easier for years. I can alway make a gas and beer run!:walking::drinkup:

Well tacoma200, you were 1st! Thank You for your objective help, and past post!

Razorblades
06-10-2009, 01:16 AM
Nice mower, I hope you get to enjoy it every now and then. (like when the wife goes shopping) :laugh: Looks like you can put all of that power to use for a while. This Bahia is really starting to take off now. The stems are really starting to sprout up and I dread it when they start getting tough and dry in the summer.

Mickhippy
06-10-2009, 02:18 AM
Congrats mate! Glad to be of some help!
I was wondering why the wife (who looks happy) was going in circles, then I read "Bahia,"..... Understood!
I hate that stuff but that machine looks to be doing a good job.
Looking forward to more, clearer pics!

Oh, and try 9 or 10psi in the tires.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-10-2009, 02:31 AM
Bahia! My neighbor had his lot cleared and graded when he bought it. Mostly packed clay. He planted grass seed after grass seed with no luck. In the summer I'd be fighting to cut grass every 4 to 5 days trying to keep the Bahia down. But no matter what, in the middle of July the rains would start and the Bahia would win. He ask me one day what kind if grass I had. Bahia!!! I told him! He wanted to go buy some Bahia seed.:dizzy: I said, don't worry, it's coming your way!!:cry: I hate that stuff!!:hammerhead:

dwost
06-10-2009, 08:50 AM
Congrats, it should serve you well for many years!

Performance R/E
06-10-2009, 10:16 AM
I will be purchasing a new zt soon and after much research was going to pick a Scag Tiger Cat. However the recent buzz around the Bad Boy has me thinking. The Scag Velocity Deck is said to have a great cut. I have not heard any talk about the quality of the cut in different types of conditions for the Bad Boy. Can anyone comment on that?

puppypaws
06-11-2009, 10:59 AM
Congrats mate! Glad to be of some help!
I was wondering why the wife (who looks happy) was going in circles, then I read "Bahia,"..... Understood!
I hate that stuff but that machine looks to be doing a good job.
Looking forward to more, clearer pics!

Oh, and try 9 or 10psi in the tires.

I don't know how I missed this thread, but am glad it was brought to my attention. Once you get the grass in shape, your time savings will blow your mind. Well, maybe not your mind, but you will get the idea from your wife. I have seen this too many times, once a woman gets on a zero turn mower, they love them so much, it is hard to get them off.

Good information you are giving him on tire pressure, he can go down to 8 with no problem. That is what I run and have in fact put 10 lbs. in to see if I could tell a difference, and actually did. I know the lower air pressure will help a great deal on the Pup since it does not have the compression rubber suspension.

Looking forward to seeing more pictures and hearing the details. I felt assured the 30 would be more than adequate for a 52" deck. I honestly don't know if I have heard of that much hp on a 52" deck.

Lonny90
06-11-2009, 11:15 AM
Looks good.
I hope the kohler and the bad boy give you many hours of trouble free service!:)

saylorsdad
06-11-2009, 11:39 AM
best of luck with the badboy I have the zt and am considering trading up to the pup. I started out running 20lbs of air max load is like 24 and recently dropped to 12 ride greatly improved I will try 8 and see how much better a ride is.
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dwost
06-11-2009, 11:53 AM
best of luck with the badboy I have the zt and am considering trading up to the pup. I started out running 20lbs of air max load is like 24 and recently dropped to 12 ride greatly improved I will try 8 and see how much better a ride is.
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I run 10 with great results. Make sure when you drop the pressure you also verify your deck pitch, level, and height is correct and adjusted accordingly.

saylorsdad
06-11-2009, 12:02 PM
will chk deck and blades I have been worried about height adjustment since it will be shorter than what is shown.
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puppypaws
06-11-2009, 01:31 PM
I will be purchasing a new zt soon and after much research was going to pick a Scag Tiger Cat. However the recent buzz around the Bad Boy has me thinking. The Scag Velocity Deck is said to have a great cut. I have not heard any talk about the quality of the cut in different types of conditions for the Bad Boy. Can anyone comment on that?

The Bad Boy deck will give you a very good cut and I honestly don't know of a deck that could handle big thick grass any better. I honestly can't understand how any mower can cut this and get that large amount of grass out from underneath the deck. The engine could not handle this situation if the deck was not able to move a very large amount of grass out in a hurry.
I was on the mower, and yet every time I see these pictures it is still hard for me to believe. This Signal grass is actually larger and thicker than it appears in the picture and would stop most mowers in its tracks.

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MS_SURVEYOR
06-11-2009, 02:09 PM
Oh Yea! Good Picture pupppaws! I've never owned a mower, or bush hog that could cut and blow as heavy amounts of grass such as southern Bahia grass. I've had bush hogs totally bog down killing the tractor to a stop, tying the blades stopped with a rope of 12 inch grass warped around them. This mower and deck is just totally awesome the way it just blows the grass out not loosing but 100 rps in the process.

I'm looking at the dried 12 inch grass I cut from Tuesday, and its spread out over a large area, where as with my 46 16hp Sabre there would have been wind rows. That's with the discharge chute off and wide open. I can't wait to cut some nice tamed grass on a good suburb or city lot. Southern Bahia Grass is a mower KILLER!

ms

Supper Grassy
06-11-2009, 03:10 PM
mower looks awesome

astrohip
06-11-2009, 04:54 PM
Looking forward to seeing more pictures and hearing the details. I felt assured the 30 would be more than adequate for a 52" deck. I honestly don't know if I have heard of that much hp on a 52" deck.
I have a Bad Boy Lightning, with a 52" deck and a 31hp Kawasaki.

But I'm also running it thru pastures with over 18" growth! :weightlifter:

SfTD_service_CENTER
06-11-2009, 04:54 PM
looks like you got what you needed! that mower seems to chop that tall grass nice! try to let us know what your fuel consumption is! alwasy good info to know about the different engine and deck sized mowers.

Mickhippy
06-11-2009, 06:21 PM
I have seen this too many times, once a woman gets on a zero turn mower, they love them so much, it is hard to get them off.

Maybe its just my sick mind but this made me laugh! I feel sorry for you Puppy! lol :waving:

puppypaws
06-11-2009, 06:36 PM
Maybe its just my sick mind but this made me laugh! I feel sorry for you Puppy! lol :waving:

My wife loves to ride the mower fast, I think it would suit her if it ran 30 mph. I came home from a meeting yesterday and noticed the mower was gone, I could not think of what she needed to cut. I heard her come driving up after a period of time, when she came into the house, I asked her where she had been, she told me she had driven up and down the road to pick up the trash. This is 3/4 of a mile one way not counting 2 to 3 hundred feet in all directions around two intersections. She loves to be on the mower, and I am glad she loves it so much.

I have not heard anything out of your new mower lately, number of hrs., and if it is still wet and how the mower is suiting you?

jcltyson
06-11-2009, 07:08 PM
Cut looks great! Wonderful start. Now if you can only keep your helper interested for a long period of time you'll be ok. Unfortunately the new seems to wear off at some point.
Keep us posted on how it goes after some hours are generated. I'm interested in the Bad Boy as my next purchase also. Just not sure of which model (Lightning/AOS).

Mickhippy
06-11-2009, 07:12 PM
Puppy, I was thinking of something a little more dirty! Mind in the gutter sort of thing!

I think the machine has about 120hrs on it now.
We recently had more rain, about 3 weeks of it, just stopped last week. Had a few dry days and a freak storm dumped a heap more rain. Now winter has hit. Went from 10-12'c nights down to maybe less than 3'c in the matter of 2 days. Ive had more days off this season due to rain than ever before.
Basically, I still cant get on most of my properties, it just not drying up. Should have at least 200hrs on the machine by now.
When I have been able to work, the SZ goes great. Very happy with it and no dramas yet, (touch wood!) Really, not much to report! Love the power but it is thirsty compared to the 28efi. But love the power!

puppypaws
06-11-2009, 09:15 PM
Puppy, I was thinking of something a little more dirty! Mind in the gutter sort of thing!

I think the machine has about 120hrs on it now.
We recently had more rain, about 3 weeks of it, just stopped last week. Had a few dry days and a freak storm dumped a heap more rain. Now winter has hit. Went from 10-12'c nights down to maybe less than 3'c in the matter of 2 days. Ive had more days off this season due to rain than ever before.
Basically, I still cant get on most of my properties, it just not drying up. Should have at least 200hrs on the machine by now.
When I have been able to work, the SZ goes great. Very happy with it and no dramas yet, (touch wood!) Really, not much to report! Love the power but it is thirsty compared to the 28efi. But love the power!

From 50° F to 37° F is a little drop, how cold does it get there in worst case scenario.

I knew she would use a good bit more fuel more than the 28 efi, would it not be great to have a Bosch efi system on that engine. I would say it would probably drop the fuel usage 30%, and give quicker responsive power, which in return makes the engine feel stronger than its rated hp.

How is the ride and general operation in comparison to your older Super Z?

ZTR_Diesel
06-11-2009, 09:57 PM
Nice unit and cutting job. My Mom did the same with my older Dixon years ago - drove off with it to mow our yard, and well, Dad hasen't mowed with it since! She has purchased a newer one since that time.

Enjoy!

MJB
06-11-2009, 10:37 PM
Congratulations on your new toy. :waving: My wife got hooked on zero turn mowers about 1996 so I put her to work with me still going strong.
Only problem I have is cleaning up the mowers, after we get home she will go out and mow the neighbors yards for a little fun money, or just to help people out. Maybe I'm not paying her enough ???
Anyway great mower, I hope to try a Lightning soon.

mississippiturf
06-11-2009, 10:55 PM
Congrats on the Bad Boy. It will give you many years of service.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-13-2009, 11:52 PM
I'm really grooving on this Pup! I borrowed a trailer from a friend, and took the Bad Boy to my mother in laws lawn. I've always liked the in laws property. Nice and flat, shady with pecan trees, nice St Augustine grass. My wife did the honors bring it's where she grew up. Fact is, she's better than I am. I hate to say it, but she's a natural.

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that limb fell just before the picture.:rolleyes:

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MS_SURVEYOR
06-14-2009, 12:10 AM
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puppypaws
06-14-2009, 12:14 AM
I'm really grooving on this Pup! I borrowed a trailer from a friend, and took the Bad Boy to my mother in laws lawn. I've always liked the in laws property. Nice and flat, shady with pecan trees, nice St Augustine grass. My wife did the honors bring it's where she grew up. Fact is, she's better than I am. I hate to say it, but she's a natural.

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That is beautiful grass and I bet a joy to cut. They designed the Bad Boy so well it doesn't even get dirty when it mows. I know you are very happy with that machine. I would just love to cut some grass that good.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-14-2009, 12:45 AM
That is beautiful grass and I bet a joy to cut. They designed the Bad Boy so well it doesn't even get dirty when it mows. I know you are very happy with that machine. I would just love to cut some grass that good.


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pp,

I just got through blowing the grass off, and hosing her off!!:laugh:

That is a nice lot. Fine grass! Blue berries are coming in. Not as good this year. Figs will be next. Grapes and muscadines next. I just got through tilling the last garden spot. Don't ask me! I'm not a farmer. Just cheap labor! Pecans in the fall. Oh! Pares and apples some where in between. My wife had a smile looking at the finished lawn. My mil said something like, "this looks like a golf course on tv!". See that rear engine Snapper with the cart hooked up? That's what I got to ride today! Picking up limbs and trash! Oh Well! The Bad Boy comes home tomorrow after church. That's when I hit the bad grass lands! I sure hope I don't bump a yellow jacket nest! Let along some of them black ground nesting flockers that will run you a mile just to burn your azz a few more times!!!

See Ya!

ms

tacoma200
06-14-2009, 03:05 AM
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Thanks for the PM and bringing these pictures to my attention MS_SURVEYOR. While the overall design taken as a whole seems less modern than say Exmark, there has been considerable thought taken into practicality, serviceability, and ease of maintenance, and access to the various parts. I am impressed. Bad Boy may be one of the most practical machines out there. Nice lawn!

puppypaws
06-14-2009, 09:01 AM
Thanks for the PM and bringing these pictures to my attention MS_SURVEYOR. While the overall design taken as a whole seems less modern than say Exmark, there has been considerable thought taken into practicality, serviceability, and ease of maintenance, and access to the various parts. I am impressed. Bad Boy may be one of the most practical machines out there. Nice lawn!

I think it probably is, they cut out the frills and get to the meat and potatoes, while making everything very accessible to ease maintenance.

mowerdude777
06-14-2009, 11:57 AM
Congrats, now all you have to do is mow when she is not home

retrodog
06-14-2009, 11:58 AM
I think it probably is, they cut out the frills and get to the meat and potatoes, while making everything very accessible to ease maintenance.

What else can you say besides the fact that this unit actually retails for $6795 plus set-up and destination and tax....... I could be wrong, but I think you are in Exmark Quest territory in that price range......

nosparkplugs
06-14-2009, 12:08 PM
Again no one offers more mower and engine for the MONEY. The ztr market hirearchy has been turned upside down thanks to Bad Boy.
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tacoma200
06-14-2009, 01:24 PM
Again no one offers more mower and engine for the MONEY. The ztr market hirearchy has been turned upside down thanks to Bad Boy.
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I can drink to that!:drinkup:

MS_SURVEYOR
06-14-2009, 03:38 PM
While the overall design taken as a whole seems less modern than say Exmark, there has been considerable thought taken into practicality, serviceability, and ease of maintenance, and access to the various parts. I am impressed. Bad Boy may be one of the most practical machines out there.

Thats what got me to looking at Bad Boy. Simple, ease of maintenance, tuff and heavily built, with a good cut. At a fair price!

Nice lawn!

My mother in law thanks you tacoma!

Congrats, now all you have to do is mow when she is not home

:rolleyes:

Yea! I waiting for my wife and mother in law to get home so I can go get my mower at the mil's!:hammerhead:

MSlawnBoy
06-23-2009, 02:30 PM
Thats what got me to looking at Bad Boy. Simple, ease of maintenance, tuff and heavily built, with a good cut. At a fair price!



My mother in law thanks you tacoma!



:rolleyes:

Yea! I waiting for my wife and mother in law to get home so I can go get my mower at the mil's!:hammerhead:

Why did you go with the pup over the ZT model? Speed?

johnnybravo8802
06-23-2009, 10:05 PM
Best way to get your Bad Boy back.......buy her a Scag TT and you'll never have to worry about her getting back on it!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

lifetree
06-23-2009, 10:27 PM
That is beautiful grass and I bet a joy to cut. They designed the Bad Boy so well it doesn't even get dirty when it mows. ...

I'm sure he blew off the ZTR before he took that picture !!

MS_SURVEYOR
06-23-2009, 11:32 PM
Why did you go with the pup over the ZT model? Speed?


No! The choice had nothing to do with the speed. It had everything to do with the engine choices and the Dual Hydrostatic pumps and wheel motors. The ZT was a fine z mower. I just didn't like the engine choices. My property is very rough. The Pup just seemed to fit my need. The Lighting was really the ride I wanted. I just didn't want to push my luck with the wife. I had to back off the 31 HP KAWASAKI being the engine I really wanted. But hey, the Kohler is doing just fine! There is a big enough difference from the Kohler Command to the Kohler Courage that even my wife saw the difference.

I have no need for speed. I'm just so darn proud to be mowing on a Bad Boy Pup!

ms

MS_SURVEYOR
06-23-2009, 11:34 PM
Best way to get your Bad Boy back.......buy her a Scag TT and you'll never have to worry about her getting back on it!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

You're a smart man johnnybravo8802!:drinkup:

MS_SURVEYOR
06-23-2009, 11:36 PM
I'm sure he blew off the ZTR before he took that picture !!


I did blow it off just before taking the pictures. But it only had 4.2 hrs on it. Right now it's got 6 inches of grass just from today.

ms

MJB
06-24-2009, 12:14 AM
Yup....Nice mower ! Looks like the only thing Scag has over Bad Boy
is the Coolade. I wonder how long before BB tops that? LOL

Now all you Scag lovers don't get excited I'm just having fun!!

Thinking about what I might put in the Bad Boy Coolade... How about cherry coolade for BB owners, and the orange coolade can stay with the Scag people.

johnnybravo8802
06-24-2009, 06:10 AM
Yup....Nice mower ! Looks like the only thing Scag has over Bad Boy
is the Coolade. I wonder how long before BB tops that? LOL

Now all you Scag lovers don't get excited I'm just having fun!!

Thinking about what I might put in the Bad Boy Coolade... How about cherry coolade for BB owners, and the orange coolade can stay with the Scag people.
I was also thinking of some little BB weanies I could munch on while I rode around on my Scag and sipped my Kool-Aide.:laugh::laugh:

MSlawnBoy
06-24-2009, 09:25 AM
My property is very rough. The Pup just seemed to fit my need. The Lighting was really the ride I wanted.
ms


Doesn't appear to be an difference in the suspension in the pup and the ZT. So, what makes the Pup ride better than the ZT?

There is very little difference in the two models. Fans as noted, speed, thicker deck, and slightly larger tires....

retrodog
06-24-2009, 09:36 AM
Doesn't appear to be an difference in the suspension in the pup and the ZT. So, what makes the Pup ride better than the ZT?

There is very little difference in the two models. Fans as noted, speed, thicker deck, and slightly larger tires....

4 rail frame vs the 2 rail and the dual parker pumps make a huge difference in ride and feel.

MS_SURVEYOR
06-24-2009, 09:40 AM
Doesn't appear to be an difference in the suspension in the pup and the ZT. So, what makes the Pup ride better than the ZT?

There is very little difference in the two models. Fans as noted, speed, thicker deck, and slightly larger tires....


I wouldn't think it Pup has a better ride than a ZT. The Pup is more of a light Commercial mower. The engine choices had more of an impact for my wife and I. We plan on as time comes to get a few accounts to help cover the cost. We looked hard at the ZT. It wasn't until the very last day my wife decided the 52 inch Pup and 30hp Kohler Command was the way to go. I really wanted the 60 inch deck with the 31 hp KAWASAKI. But by any means it beats the heck out of my Saber 16/46 with a 16hp Briggs Vanguard hydro. That I still have and love.

If I had a ZT, I'd still be smiling as my wife made circles!:drinkup:

saylorsdad
06-24-2009, 09:52 AM
I get to watch my wife got back and forth while I travel from spot to spot with weedeater. sure is fun when it is 100 deg out.
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MS_SURVEYOR
06-24-2009, 10:00 AM
I get to watch my wife got back and forth while I travel from spot to spot with weedeater. sure is fun when it is 100 deg out.
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I do know the feeling!:walking: