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yourmove
06-21-2009, 12:54 PM
I have a job coming up that is pretty much a remove and replace paver job.

There are three parts . . .Two walks and a patio.

Walk #1 is roughly 162 sq/ft and located in the front which is accessible to truck and materials.

Walk #2 and patio are located are roughly 342 sq/ft and located in the back yard which will be processed via wheel barrow and labor.

My plan is to hand dig both areas, wheel barrow materials to my truck, load truck and then return new materials to excavation by hand.

Getting a Dingo in the back can be done but may be more aggravation than is worth.

What I am looking for with this thread is a bit of constructive criticism (perhaps) and what may be a reasonable bid for this job.

Thanks for any help.

PlatinumLandCon
06-21-2009, 01:08 PM
10,000. Give or take a few zeros....

yourmove
06-21-2009, 01:09 PM
Why even coment . . .you bored?

shovelracer
06-21-2009, 01:13 PM
A mini track loader is never a waste. What would take you all day with a few guys can be done in a few hours with a machine and 1 guy.

Lots of guys are hurting for work so prices are getting slashed all over. In fact to get the job you should probably just cut the homeowner a check for about $1500 and throw the new stone on top of what ever base is there after you level it and water it in for compaction. Perhaps someone else can offer better advice.

yourmove
06-21-2009, 01:26 PM
Okay, thanks.

I am getting an estimate together for this job . . . I have a good idea how I am going to do it . . . However, my bidding and maximizing profit in consideration of competition is what I am trying to acheive through this thread.

I have 342 sq/ft in the back which needs to be humped back-and-forth roughly 30ft each way. I have 162 in the front.

I have to cut and fill 504 sq/ft of material.

I just don't want to burn the customer or work for less than what is competatively reasonable.

Thanks.

amscapes03
06-21-2009, 05:10 PM
Are you reusing the old pavers, or replacing with new?

philboudreault
06-21-2009, 07:51 PM
compact existing base and new screening and relevel. put down pavers. its just as much work pulling up old stones and getting rid of them as it is putting down pavers that weren't there already ... full price give or take...that is if ur putting down new stones if your not then go with 60 - 70 percent of what u would normally charge...repairs are good money just lots of headaches...

yourmove
06-21-2009, 08:23 PM
I am using new pavers.

I am not sure if the existing base is something that I would rebuild on top of . . . The current patio has had some considerable sinking . . . I wish to fininsh with a top notch product.

Thanks

amscapes03
06-21-2009, 09:05 PM
If possible, go to job site and pull up a dozen or so pavers. Dig down and see what material was used for base and how deep. Don't give an estimate until you know what your dealing with. If it's junk (most likely) it should all come out. If this were to be the case, bid the job as if you were starting from scratch. Then add on for the time to take up old pavers. Charge a dump fee for pavers, as well as the old base material.

DVS Hardscaper
06-21-2009, 11:50 PM
Why even coment . . .you bored?


Gotta love these topics where the topic creator is looking for us experts to hold their hand and tell them what to charge.........




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CALandscapes
06-22-2009, 12:28 AM
$x disposal fees + $x rental fees + $x geotextile + $x crush stone + $x sand base + $x pavers + $x edging + $x poly sand + $x labor + $x overhead + $x profit = total price. :clapping:

PlatinumLandCon
06-22-2009, 09:16 AM
Gotta love these topics where the topic creator is looking for us experts to hold their hand and tell them what to charge.........




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Ha ha yeah, it gets old. Will you ask us to build it from our computer chair next? We're just about as useful.....

DVS Hardscaper
06-22-2009, 07:05 PM
Ha ha yeah, it gets old. Will you ask us to build it from our computer chair next? We're just about as useful.....


I don't blame the folks asking the redundant questions. I blame the moderators of this website.

I feel that this exact topic is worthy of a sticky thread, along with a few other topics that keep resurfacing over and over and over and over.

If we could get the folks at lawnsite.com to agree to making some stickie topics, I'd be happy to draft the opening post for the topic of "paver install pricing".

Isobel
06-22-2009, 07:53 PM
Gotta love these topics where the topic creator is looking for us experts to hold their hand and tell them what to charge.........



and then complain because they aren't getting the right responses.

next is the thread, "Come work this job for me..."

:laugh::laugh:

philboudreault
06-22-2009, 08:21 PM
whats the point of a forum then .. if u can't ask questions... or u could just not read or respond and leave it for those that will respond.....every one needs helps some times and you where a newbie once ....

Ground Effects NH
06-22-2009, 08:26 PM
$x disposal fees + $x rental fees + $x geotextile + $x crush stone + $x sand base + $x pavers + $x edging + $x poly sand + $x labor + $x overhead + $x profit = total price. :clapping:

Nice, now I know how you pros do it. Thanks for all the help:laugh:

Isobel
06-22-2009, 08:56 PM
whats the point of a forum then .. if u can't ask questions... or u could just not read or respond and leave it for those that will respond.....every one needs helps some times and you where a newbie once ....

its true that everyone needs help from time to time. and we all started out at the bottom. But when we hear the simple questions being asked over and over again, it gets tiresome. As someone earlier suggested, the moderators--assuming they exist--should really make a sticky post about how to estimate a bid.

Secondly, estimating a bid is going to be different for everyone. It depends on the cost of your materials (which are different in other parts of the country), delivery costs, how long you feel it will take, and most importantly your overhead.

yourmove
07-21-2009, 05:39 PM
Sorry guys . . . . I'll never ever post again.

Enjoy your club!

kootoomootoo
07-21-2009, 05:52 PM
Gotta love these topics where the topic creator is looking for us experts to hold their hand and tell them what to charge.........




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well to mowing geniuses we are just dumb hardscapers.

DVS Hardscaper
07-21-2009, 09:38 PM
When it comes to motivating employees we can use positive enforcement or negative enforcement. 9 times out of 10, negative enforcement results in the employee quitting.

Like I said, I will be happy to draft a detailed, itemized post to a sticky thread for paver install job costing. I see this as a positive.


On the other hand - sure we were all new to this or that at one time. But as successful business people we ALL know that no 2 companies have the same overhead, price structure, job time efficiencies, etc.

Business isn't like learning how to please your mate where you pop in a porno and do what they do.


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