PGP ULTRA's

[mitchgo]

So for the past 2 or so weeks our supplier has been sending us ultra's.
My boss did some looking into it and says they are not making pgp - non check and checked heads any more??

Are your suppliers still sending you regular pgp's?

I have to say I don't like the ultra's at ALL!!!

You can hardly adjust the arc. The nozzle doesn't go down far enough. The lowest nozzle size 2.0 Low angle has a higher arc then a red nozzle size 6-8.

We may switch to RB5000.. We stock a few

[hoskm01]

So for the past 2 or so weeks our supplier has been sending us ultra's.
My boss did some looking into it and says they are not making pgp - non check and checked heads any more??

Are your suppliers still sending you regular pgp's?

I have to say I don't like the ultra's at ALL!!!

You can hardly adjust the arc. The nozzle doesn't go down far enough. The lowest nozzle size 2.0 Low angle has a higher arc then a red nozzle size 6-8.

We may switch to RB5000.. We stock a few
Go RB, youll never go back.

I have a few old PGP's in the Van and only install them if the customer insists. I think Ive been working on that same case for more than a year now. Who buys heads by the 6 pack, anyway?

5k Stainless is the way to be.

[AI Inc]

I still get reg pgp,s as I tryed a couple cases of ultra,s and didnt like them. Im not crazy about 5004,s , but for the $4 each I payed during a special a few weeks back , I did grab 3 cases.

[Wet_Boots]

PGPs won't be discontinued as long as Hunter considers it its flagship product.

[AI Inc]

PGPs won't be discontinued as long as Hunter considers it its flagship product.

Exactly , pgp outsells all their other rotors combined 10-1

[Mike Leary]

Go RB, youll never go back 5k Stainless is the way to be.

Yup, I like the 5000 especially for it's windage resistance.

[Kiril]

PGPs won't be discontinued as long as Hunter considers it its flagship product.

I doubt they consider it a "flagship" product, maybe a "fleetship" product.

[IrriMan30]

Toro's T5's are 5004's with an extra inch of pop up and better nozzles...I would give them a try!

[mitchgo]

I'm not sure If I have ever seen a T5.

It looks like a 5000

Did the RB patent run time end like the pgp??

[IrriMan30]

They look and adjust just like a 5004...same body height but a 5" pop up. I hear its the first good rotor Toro has had in ages...its been out for over a year with no issues.

http://toro.com/irrigation/res/smturfsprink/T5/index.html#

[hoskm01]

They look and adjust just like a 5004...same body height but a 5" pop up. I hear its the first good rotor Toro has had in ages...its been out for over a year with no issues.

http://toro.com/irrigation/res/smturfsprink/T5/index.html#
just buy a 5006 and one up the T5.

[Wet_Boots]

Try a Toro TR-50

[IrriMan30]

Why pay more for a 5006 though?

[Wet_Boots]

Why pay more for a 5006 though?because the economy needs stimulation payup

[Tony Clifton]

I toured one of the 2 plants where they manufacture the PGPs not long ago. They were pumping them out, and said they had no plans of stopping.

[Wet_Boots]

I suspect the OP's supplier has overstock in the Ultra version he's trying to get rid of.

[mitchgo]

I suspect the OP's supplier has overstock in the Ultra version he's trying to get rid of.


My guess too, our supplier is a bunch of idiots...

[mitchgo]

I talked to Ewing today and as well they claim Hunter will be phasing out the old school pgp's.

Can anyone confirm this?

[Tony Clifton]

Can't say I wasn't told the truth, but on the factory tour a couple months ago they said they had no intention of phasing out the PGP. From my take, the Ultra is geared more toward attracting new customers - the PGP is the tried and true and I don't think they plan on converting existing PGP users to the Ultra.

[AI Inc]

Everyone is now making a PGP knockoff ( K rain , irritrol) They are playing with a new product to try to get a new run on the patent, same reason they redesigned the pro c

[Porsche997Pilot]

The original PGP is still listed on the web site.

[sprinklerchris]

Everyone is now making a PGP knockoff ( K rain , irritrol) They are playing with a new product to try to get a new run on the patent, same reason they redesigned the pro c

Local supply house here says they don't plan to handle the Ultra. It just doesn't do that much more than a regular PGP. They said it's a lot more expensive than the competition that PGP is already losing business to.

[bx24]

Call me crazy but is not the PGP and the PGP ultra almost the same...mines the adj screw and some nozzles....

[AI Inc]

Pretty much , and as I told the Rep in my area , I 20 nozzles just dont give enough variation to do matched precip on a lot of wells.

[Mike Leary]

The I-20 ultra has a shut-off, which I really like for nozzle changes. It really boils down to how far you want to chuck water. The RB 5000 or 5500 with shut-off is my choice for medium throw (35' & less). In 6" and stainless, natch.

[bx24]

true but after you have designed and install a sys, why do you care about shut-off?

[Tony Clifton]

The feature I like most is that the Ultra can be adjusted to do a full 360. I know we have stuck regular PGPs in the ground because we didnt have PGP 360s on the truck.
The shut off feature would be awesome...it would be especially cool on spray heads.

[AI Inc]

If its getting soaked while adjusting the next one over that bothers ya , a peice of scrap pipe slipped over the already adjusted head helps.

[bx24]

The feature I like most is that the Ultra can be adjusted to do a full 360. I know we have stuck regular PGPs in the ground because we didnt have PGP 360s on the truck.
The shut off feature would be awesome...it would be especially cool on spray heads.


But a normal PGP adj can do the same 360 deal...Again, after you design and fine tune a sys why do you need a shut-off. After the fact, it is not needed.

Sprays would be nice but after I install the correct heads, I am not messing with then untill then are damaged..Just do not get it.

[bx24]

If its getting soaked while adjusting the next one over that bothers ya , a peice of scrap pipe slipped over the already adjusted head helps.
LOL..I like the 5-gal bucket...

[Tony Clifton]

But a normal PGP adj can do the same 360 deal....

No it can't.
It will go 359.5 degrees and then rotate back.
Think about DU. Not good to have it do that, but it "works"

[bx24]

No it can't.
It will go 359.5 degrees and then rotate back.
Think about DU. Not good to have it do that, but it "works"


Okay but why is it "not good" I have yet to have issues.My stance is ityou have head-to-head coverage, you will not notice a PGP or PGP ultra...Can be nuts?

[Tony Clifton]

Okay but why is it "not good" I have yet to have issues.My stance is ityou have head-to-head coverage, you will not notice a PGP or PGP ultra...Can be nuts?

Like I said, it works.
But if you are really interested in putting down the exact amount of water required, think about it for a second. A PGPadj that you have set to do a 360 will rotate, stop and then rotate the other direction. If you want to get specific about it, it could put down too much water in a given area when it stops and rotates causing runoff, and/or it could put down more water over one area than another because it does not keep rotating.
This is very specific, and like I said, we use regular PGPs more often than we shoudl to do 360s, but I like to put the 360 in when it belongs there.

[GreatOutdoorsContracting]

The shutoff in the head would be useful for finding small leaks,etc. Just shut all heads on zone off and wait for water to surface. Can already do that with sprays.
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[djt22]

GreatOutdoors I just had a customer thinking the wet spot in her back yard was from the irrigation shut of a few zones at the head and went down in the basement no spinning meter save time and digging before that never really thought of a need for the shut-off. Has anyone seen hunters new pop-up nozzles not shut off all the way?

[AI Inc]

What is a pop up nozzle? I see people call certain types of heads popups. They are all popups unless they dont retract.

[djt22]

I could say Spray Nozzle but don't all heads Spray? What might you call a head that does not rotate?:confused:

[AI Inc]

Why that would be called a spray head.

[Wet_Boots]

When the sprays were called "Mist Heads" we avoided all this confusion :dizzy:

[greenmonster304]

i love the shut off in the 5000. it allows me to just install the heads then go back a shut them down and install the nozzle with the head in the up position freeing my other hand.

[bx24]

Like I said, it works.
But if you are really interested in putting down the exact amount of water required, think about it for a second. A PGPadj that you have set to do a 360 will rotate, stop and then rotate the other direction. If you want to get specific about it, it could put down too much water in a given area when it stops and rotates causing runoff, and/or it could put down more water over one area than another because it does not keep rotating.
This is very specific, and like I said, we use regular PGPs more often than we shoudl to do 360s, but I like to put the 360 in when it belongs there.

I agree but again head-to-head will take care of the 0.5 DEG missing and yes it stops and in the section will be about 1 second to much water.

YMMV, but I still think the 360 is a waste and not needed...After I install sys you do not need a shut-off etc....

Then again, I need to sell my I-25's....

[bx24]

GreatOutdoors I just had a customer thinking the wet spot in her back yard was from the irrigation shut of a few zones at the head and went down in the basement no spinning meter save time and digging before that never really thought of a need for the shut-off. Has anyone seen hunters new pop-up nozzles not shut off all the way?


I cannot stand Hunter Nozzles for sprays..I still like the old Toro....Easy to adj etc..Call me nuts.

[djt22]

Haven't tried them yet but I was told that weathermatic's Pop-up (Spray) Nozzle is redesigned for better performance.