Wix Filters?

[cat2]

Thinking of using Wix filters instead of bobcat. Anyone else use Wix?


Thanks

[AWJ Services]

Wix makes a very good filter.

Donaldson makes a bunch of the OEM filters as well as there own filters.

Baldwin is another premium filter.

[cat2]

Wix makes a very good filter.

Donaldson makes a bunch of the OEM filters as well as there own filters.

Baldwin is another premium filter.




Never thought of those others, going to check them out now.


Thanks

[SellingIron]

Makesure your bobcat is out of warranty first..

[AWJ Services]

It is against the law for Bobcat to require a Bobcat brand filter unless they provide it for free.

[Scag48]

I like Wix for automotive but I've never used them for heavy equipment. Baldwin makes a real good filter.

[Gravel Rat]

WIX used to be good they have gone a little down hill now. The parts store used to carry Wix products but now have gone to Luber Finer.

Fleet Guard filters are also good along with Baldwin. Stay away from the orange POS ie Fram.

[AWJ Services]

Fleetgaurd is owned by Cummins.

Good filters .

Fleetgaurd and Donaldson are more geared towards large trucks and construction equipment.

Wix makes NAPA filters.

[SellingIron]

It is against the law for Bobcat to require a Bobcat brand filter unless they provide it for free.


All they do is void your 2nd year engine/drine warranty if you use aftermarket filters.

[AWJ Services]

They cannot do that it is against the law.
Magnuson-Moss Warranty act

How can some one who is in the buisness like you are in not know this?

[Digdeep]

They cannot do that it is against the law.
Magnuson-Moss Warranty act

How can some one who is in the buisness like you are in not know this?

Easy on the guy.:hammerhead:

You are 100% correct that OEMs cannot use a "tie-in" sales provision as part of the warranty, such as "you must use our filters or you void warranty"....unless the OEM can prove that the product will not work properly or may fail without the branded filter or specific service. Many OEMs have applied to the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) for this kind of waiver. OEMs also don't have to cover the use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for their product

The customer would have to ask the OEM if they have a waiver. Besides, most of these brands, Wix, Donaldson, Fleetguard, etc. already make the filters that the OEMs stamp their brand on. Some of these OEMs used to just have the filter manufacturer machine the filter slightly less or more so that off the shelf filters wouldn't fit quite right. I don't think they do that anymore. Personally, if you dig or ask a service rep at the dealer which brand of oil or filter Bobcat, Case, Takeuchi, etc. uses they may tell you. then you can buy the same product that the OEM sells. I would wait until your factory warranty expired before you do this, and I would make sure you are using the same product the OEM uses.

[AWJ Services]

Easy on the guy.:hammerhead:

You are 100% correct that OEMs cannot use a "tie-in" sales provision as part of the warranty, such as "you must use our filters or you void warranty"....unless the OEM can prove that the product will not work properly or may fail without the branded filter or specific service. Many OEMs have applied to the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) for this kind of waiver. OEMs also don't have to cover the use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for their product

The customer would have to ask the OEM if they have a waiver. Besides, most of these brands, Wix, Donaldson, Fleetguard, etc. already make the filters that the OEMs stamp their brand on. Some of these OEMs used to just have the filter manufacturer machine the filter slightly less or more so that off the shelf filters wouldn't fit quite right. I don't think they do that anymore. Personally, if you dig or ask a service rep at the dealer which brand of oil or filter Bobcat, Case, Takeuchi, etc. uses they may tell you. then you can buy the same product that the OEM sells. I would wait until your factory warranty expired before you do this, and I would make sure you are using the same product the OEM uses.


If a filter manufacturer lists there filter as a replacement filter for your model there is nothing that the machine manufacturer can do to void your warranty other than the waiver that is mentioned which is rarely every allowed.

My Takeuchi filters are competitive with aftermarket premium filters so I still use them usually.

[igotdiesel2]

A manufacturer can approve certain filters for there machine. That is how they get around this. Cummins, for instance approves Fleetgaurd (there own), Mopar (made by Fleetgaurd) & Purolator just to name a few. FRAM is NOT on the list. I know that Cummins will NOT honer their warranty if you have a FRAM filter. Fram uses cheap cardboard and a glue that does not like diesel fuel. If you were to have any diesel in your oil it can cause the glue to break up, thus causing the #6 oil injector to clog and starve the #6 piston of oil. I have seen it happen and I have seen Dodge & Cummins say NO. -Jason

[SellingIron]

When we sell new units. The customers signs a wavier stating that if they use aftermarket filters, It will void there 2nd year engine/driveline warranty. They can't take the 1 year full coverage away from the customer.

[AWJ Services]

A manufacturer can approve certain filters for there machine. That is how they get around this. Cummins, for instance approves Fleetgaurd (there own), Mopar (made by Fleetgaurd) & Purolator just to name a few. FRAM is NOT on the list. I know that Cummins will NOT honer their warranty if you have a FRAM filter. Fram uses cheap cardboard and a glue that does not like diesel fuel. If you were to have any diesel in your oil it can cause the glue to break up, thus causing the #6 oil injector to clog and starve the #6 piston of oil. I have seen it happen and I have seen Dodge & Cummins say NO. -Jason

The manufacturer issues a specification for the filter.
They cannot deny any usage of a filter that meets those specifications regardless of the manufacturer unless as Digdeep said they petition for a waiver.

Guys this is a Federal Law.

As far as Bobcat canceling the second year of it's warranty then that is not part of the original warranty.
What I mean is they only have a 1 year warranty.They cannot do it otherwise.Unless they have petitioned for it and received okay to do this and I doubt that has happened.

What you find is most dealers pretty much will do or say whatever they want to make money.
The Magnusson/Moss act was to protect the consumer from these type of actions from retailers.However as with most consumer advocate laws the retailer preys upon the consumers lack of knowledge of these laws.

It is a shame that people on the sales side of this who post here do not know the truth or either choose not to tell the truth.

[SellingIron]

AWJ, I never said bobcat would void your full warranty if you use aftermarket filters. As I stated before, bobcat will void the 2nd year warranty. This is something they will take away from customers in a heart beat. Now as far as the 1 year full coverage warranty, they can't touch it...The service manager of the dealership could careless about this issue. Its the factory reps. that you should worry about..I have been selling for more than 7 years and have never had a customer with a aftermarket filter issue. Some people are way to serious.....


http://www.bobcat.com/partsandservice/comparefilters

[SellingIron]

AWJ, Give your friends Magnusson/Moss a call. Bobcat is posting on there website that you must use bobcat filters for there 2nd year warranty (As I Stated)..




Ends August 31st
Bobcat Two-Year/2,000 Hours Engine/Power Train Warranty
Receive a 2-year/up to 2,000-hour engine/power train warranty when you purchase any new Bobcat skid-steer loader, compact track loader or all-wheel steer loader from a participating Bobcat dealer in the United States or Canada. Customer must follow recommended maintenance intervals and use Bobcat fluids and filters

[AWJ Services]

That is not the warranty.
The warranty cannot be conditional to brands of filters.

That is an extended warranty that Bobcat can willingly deny any claim they want for what ever reason.

It is not something that is offered with the original sale of the machine.What I mean is by purchasing that machine you do not get a 2 year warranty only a 1 year.That is all that machine is warrantied for period end of discussion.
The second year crap is just a marketing ploy to gain sales and boost parts sales.It is hard enough to get Bobcat to fix the machine in the first year so good luck on the second.
All my experience is from people who have purchased Bobcats from a corporate owned store and they do not have a good track record.
If they where serious about giving customers a product that was up to par with the competition then they would give outright a 2 year warranty like Takeuchi does.



:)

[SellingIron]

Awj, You are right, the 2 year engine/driveline is a extended warranty. When you by a new bobcat from a dealer. The factory gives the customer this 2 year warranty for free. They say that the program is going to end every month (TO GET CUSTOMERS TO BUY EQUIPMENT) but always gets extended. They have been doing it for years now. That sucks to here that your local dealer has warranty issues. You can't make every body happy in this business.

[Digdeep]

What you find is most dealers pretty much will do or say whatever they want to make money.
The Magnusson/Moss act was to protect the consumer from these type of actions from retailers.However as with most consumer advocate laws the retailer preys upon the consumers lack of knowledge of these laws.

It is a shame that people on the sales side of this who post here do not know the truth or either choose not to tell the truth.

IMO its not that the salesmen try to "pull one over" on the customer as much as it boils down to them probably never hearing of the Magnusson/Moss Act. Unfortunately, not enough salesmen even talk about warranty during the sales process.

By the way, I think it is excellent that Takeuchi offers a standard 2 year warranty (I wish others would too), but I can't believe how "back loaded/expensive" the third year is if you decide to purchase a plan from their P3 program. I was actually looking to trade my RC50 and S220 in on a PT-80 and I could get a "bumper to bumper" 3yr/5000 warranty for about the price of the 3rd year bumper to bumper on the TL240. If a customer bought the 3rd year on the TL240 it would only end up being a 3yr/3000hr warranty and the ASV machine would be 3yr/5000 hour so ASV ends up giving the operator another 2000hrs (not that most would put 5000 hrs on in three years).

[AWJ Services]

Takeuchi only recently added the second year but my salesman told me upfront not to buy the extended warranty so I never priced it.

I do not mean to beat anybody up on here but I have plenty of experience in the Automotive side of things and as far as I have witnessed that is no different than the equipment side of things.
So my point being if you are going to sell a product be well versed in your job.
We all have opinions, but if you are going to be involved in a public forum you have a certain responsibility to maintain as much accuracy and honest as well as thoroughness or the public forum will have no validity or credibility.
If you post information explain it so that there is no question of it's meaning.



Makesure your bobcat is out of warranty first..

All they do is void your 2nd year engine/drine warranty if you use aftermarket filters.

These where 2 separate posts by SellingIron that epitomize effectively what I am trying to express.I enjoy reading SellingIrons posts so I am not trying to single him out just using him because his example is current.

The 2 posts are very vague and are subject to forum members misinterpreting what he is saying which we finally established 2 pages later.
I would like to think we are all here to learn and help so just take the time and be responsible with your posts.

Have a great Day.:)

[SellingIron]

AWJ, I'm not trying to be vague with my post. Alot of times when I do a quick post, its because I'm on the highway..I'm not the only one to do it on here and it makes for good follow up posts most of the time. Got to go , sold two machines in two days...:weightlifter:

[AWJ Services]

AWJ, I'm not trying to be vague with my post. Alot of times when I do a quick post, its because I'm on the highway..I'm not the only one to do it on here and it makes for good follow up posts most of the time. Got to go , sold two machines in two days...:weightlifter:

Multitasking? :)