TLB's

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

after consideration, a TLB will be more efficient for our current needs and uses. Ive been looking between John Deere 110's and Kubota L48's, the L48 seems to be better in every category. My problem is getting a feel for how much a used machine should be priced at compared to its hours.

here is one that is located within several hours of us and in our price range. it has 855 hours and is an 04 model. does anyone know of resources to find if there were any significant upgrades since 04?

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6899382&GUID=811B3FE0D2A848468F7DF880017013B6

[AWJ Services]

How much is it new?

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

msrp on a brand new l48 on kubota's website is 42-45K give or take.

if we do end up with it, its getting the skid steer style coupler for the front bucket right away.

off the bat i would offer them 20K for it and see what they say. and this would be a cash payment, no financing.

[Skidsteerman]

after consideration, a TLB will be more efficient for our current needs and uses. Ive been looking between John Deere 110's and Kubota L48's, the L48 seems to be better in every category. My problem is getting a feel for how much a used machine should be priced at compared to its hours.

here is one that is located within several hours of us and in our price range. it has 855 hours and is an 04 model. does anyone know of resources to find if there were any significant upgrades since 04?

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6899382&GUID=811B3FE0D2A848468F7DF880017013B6

I don't think Kubota offers "creep to reposition" feature that Deere does - in other words, you can move the JD 110tlb forward or backwards while still setting on the backhoe seat.

The backhoe portion of the JD 110tlb is 70% sized down JD 310 TLB backhoe.

sslder style mounting on the front of the 110 is standard.

Depending on how the JD 110tlb was ordered, it could have three different aux hydraulic options. Front for attachments, rear on the backhoe for a thumb, hammer or auger, and rears for hydrulic three point hitch links and one set for a hydraulic option on the three point attachment i.e. scarifies on a box blade.

Another option on the Deere backhoe is a QT which allows the use of Deere 35D compact excavator quick coupler attachments - bucket, auger, hammer and such.

How does that stack up to Kobuta being better in every way?

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

from the reviews ive read between the two machines people seem to prefer the l48.

ive heard rave reviews about the 110's backhoe but they say the loader is weak.

l48 has greater lifting capacity, more pto hp, greater 3pt lift cap, more dig depth, higher lift both front and rear, more hydraulic gpm flow.

yes im aware the ss quick tach is standard on the jd, ill check into the repositioning while using the backhoe.

im not discounting the 110, this just from what ive read.

[Skidsteerman]

from the reviews ive read between the two machines people seem to prefer the l48.

ive heard rave reviews about the 110's backhoe but they say the loader is weak.

l48 has greater lifting capacity, more pto hp, greater 3pt lift cap, more dig depth, higher lift both front and rear, more hydraulic gpm flow.

yes im aware the ss quick tach is standard on the jd, ill check into the repositioning while using the backhoe.

im not discounting the 110, this just from what ive read.

Kubota makes a pretty good tractor and I doubt you'll go wrong with either tractor.

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

Kubota makes a pretty good tractor and I doubt you'll go wrong with either tractor.

these are a few 110s i am really looking into:
http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6656723&GUID=A5DE3FEF154E4470B3FA1DA816783DB9

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6592744&GUID=A5DE3FEF154E4470B3FA1DA816783DB9

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6527798&GUID=A5DE3FEF154E4470B3FA1DA816783DB9

[Skidsteerman]

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http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6592744&GUID=A5DE3FEF154E4470B3FA1DA816783DB9

This is the one I'd pursue for the condition, hours and price. Keep in mind, that is a asking price and you may be able to knock them down some on it, but even at $26K that's one hell of a deal - $40K+ new

Down side is none of them have rear aux hydraulics on the backhoe. May not be a problem if you never plan on using a thumb, auger or hammer on the hoe end.

No aux hydraulic options for the 110tlb can be added later in life, only offered factory installed.

Can't tell from the photos or description if this unit has QT backhoe bucket or if it's just a pin on style - this can be converted to QT however.

Deere's 110 tlb info:

http://www.deere.com/en_US/ProductCatalog/GC/series/gc_cut_tlb.html

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

This is the one I'd pursue for the condition, hours and price. Keep in mind, that is a asking price and you may be able to knock them down some on it, but even at $26K that's one hell of a deal - $40K+ new

thats the exact one i narrowed all the 110 choices down to. it seems to be in excellent shape. id try to get at least 2K off the asking price, maybe 3K. only issue is that since its in GA, i cant really head down to look at b4 i make a purchase decision like the L48 that is located in PA.

Down side is none of them have rear aux hydraulics on the backhoe. May not be a problem if you never plan on using a thumb, auger or hammer on the hoe end.

really? i was hoping that this option could be dealer installed later on. front hydros would be an absolute must for us, if we would rent a harley rake until we would end up buying a 3pt rake.

a quicktach backhoe bucket isnt really at the top of our priority list, as an 18" bucket for trenching, and a 36" grading bucket for slight excavation during walkway/patio installs are really the only buckets we would be using. how long does it take to change a pin on bucket??

[salopez]

i think you should take a look at the jcb 210s. its much more machine then either the jd or kubota.

also the jd can be purchased withh a factory cab the kb cannot. if you are going to spend this kind of cash, look for a cab so you can be comfortable working in the winter!

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

i think you should take a look at the jcb 210s. its much more machine then either the jd or kubota.

ill take a look at those, thanks.

also the jd can be purchased withh a factory cab the kb cannot. if you are going to spend this kind of cash, look for a cab so you can be comfortable working in the winter!

i remember a guy on plowsite got a brand new M59(my dream machine) and paid like 13K for a Laurin cab, i was floored by how much they cost. for that much money id be fine with my arctic lined carthart overalls and a balaclava for a season or two, lol

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

ughhh, awesome machine:

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6919141&GUID=AE0AD85C6F8F45E28D0BCAC79CFF92A4

now this really makes me want to scrape another 10K cash together...lol

[DeereMan85]

id try to get at least 2K off the asking price, maybe 3K.


Good luck with that. I assure you the dealer knows he's already below market value. That and the fact that he'd probably be losing money at that price. I'm not sure why some guys think you can buy at wholesale but get retail for your trade. Sorry, doesn't work that way unless you're dealing with an idiot. A complete service and a few minor repairs can easily cost $1000 or more, so all told he's probably got a lot of money wrapped up in that machine. I understand trying to get the best price possible, but you'd probably get a better deal if you don't insult the guy with such a ridiculous offer. If a unit is already reasonably priced, the dealer doesn't have any reason to give you a 10-15% discount. And he won't, if he knows what he's doing. My guess is he'll counteroffer $25,500, take it or leave it. It's not like he's going to earn any loyalty from a guy 500 miles away.

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

only reason i considered that is b/c ive seen some machines with fewer hours going for less than that, but they are located in tx, ok, ks etc...

[jcbgm]

ughhh, awesome machine:

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6919141&GUID=AE0AD85C6F8F45E28D0BCAC79CFF92A4

now this really makes me want to scrape another 10K cash together...lol

You need to look at some details here....

1. How is the loader attached to the machine on the JCB? Deere? Kubota? JCB is part of the frame weldment (like a full sized backhoe). Deere and Kubota are modeled after compact tractors. The loader is an attachment that is held together by bolts. Subject to flex and fatigue when doing repeated loading.

2. Axles - Deere and Kubota use cheaper tractor axles where the JCB uses planetaries to reduce the torque through the axles (like a big machine).

3. Seating - Putting the Deere 110 in backhoe mode is a JOKE! You have to flip the seat over. There is almost no room between the ROPS and the seat. Most guys of any size exit the operators station and climb up the outriggers to dig.

Several other points to be made, but hey, I'm a little biased. We just sold a MidiCX today to a local rental house to replace an 18 month old 110.

I've got my flame suit on----let me have it guys!!


PS - PM sent.

[jcbgm]

also the jd can be purchased withh a factory cab the kb cannot. if you are going to spend this kind of cash, look for a cab so you can be comfortable working in the winter!

Not true....No cab for the Deere 110. Not unless it's new for '09.

[AWJ Services]

Kubota is King here for small size Backhoes.

I just do not see the need for a Backhoe myself but if I bought one it would be a Kubota.

Although the removable Loader and Backhoe may have durability issues it also adds to versatility.
Obviously someone buying a Backhoe like this is looking for a all in one machine so not sure if the loader attachment will that big of a deal
being that a Mini ex is way more efficient at digging and a skid steer is way more efficient at moving material so they are already making compromises.

[lamarbur]

Pro

I just traded off an 04 L48. I ordered mine originally with SSL Fel, qick attach hoe buckets with 12 and 24 buckets, extra work lights, rubber pads for stabilizers and third valve on FEL. I just got 26 and change for it against an 09 Case DX45 cab w/FEL. I've decided to size down and wasn't using the hoe at all,.,. After having the 48, not once did I have a mechanical or other problem.. I faithfully changed ALL filters every 50 hours along with engine oil and hydro oil twice in the 600 hrs it had,, I also ran a Deere 110, and my big hang up with the deere is wide open underneath in which it is real easy to snag a hydraulic line or do other damage,,, In my observations the L48 can run circles around the 110 deere,, Only thing deere had then and Kubota now has is the creep speed with hoe.,.. Considering how weak the underneath of the 110 is,, the extra creep speed didn't sell me,.,.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

after consideration, a TLB will be more efficient for our current needs and uses. Ive been looking between John Deere 110's and Kubota L48's, the L48 seems to be better in every category. My problem is getting a feel for how much a used machine should be priced at compared to its hours.

here is one that is located within several hours of us and in our price range. it has 855 hours and is an 04 model. does anyone know of resources to find if there were any significant upgrades since 04?

http://www.machinerytrader.com/listings/detail.aspx?OHID=6899382&GUID=811B3FE0D2A848468F7DF880017013B6

On paper L48 out specs 110TLB... In the dirt, 110 out performs. I took a L48 on trade once and it took forever to sell it. Backhoe boom is slow and not as smooth as 110. I won't give near as much on trade again. Do not take my word. I am a salesman.....Get your dealers to bring them out to demo side by side. I promise you will love the 110. Spec sheets are only good as toilet paper. I never sell off a spec sheet and always offer to do a side by side demo.

I have sold many and everyone loves them. Price a new one. I have made some of the best deals ever this year with the economy like it is.

[salopez]

Not true....No cab for the Deere 110. Not unless it's new for '09.

i could be wrong for 09, but when i was looking at getting one the 2 in 07 that was the major difference. the jd could be ordered with a factory cab. in fact one sold recently on ebay with a factory cab.

mind you i would go with the jcb over a 110 or 45, its just more construction oriented then these. Also there is a new cx1 that has a removable backhoe.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

i could be wrong for 09, but when i was looking at getting one the 2 in 07 that was the major difference. the jd could be ordered with a factory cab. in fact one sold recently on ebay with a factory cab.

mind you i would go with the jcb over a 110 or 45, its just more construction oriented then these. Also there is a new cx1 that has a removable backhoe.

Nope..No factory cab in the past. Not sure about the future.

[GWhunter]

i could be wrong for 09, but when i was looking at getting one the 2 in 07 that was the major difference. the jd could be ordered with a factory cab. in fact one sold recently on ebay with a factory cab.

mind you i would go with the jcb over a 110 or 45, its just more construction oriented then these. Also there is a new cx1 that has a removable backhoe.

This is 100% incorrect. The 110 has never been offered with a cab option. The laurin cab is really close to the fit and finish of a 4000 series cab. The 110 is a sweet machine as others mentioned it's a close decendant of the larger 310's. The belly is soft without the factory skid plate. I wouldn't own one without the plate. The l48 is a bit larger physically than the 110 but is more of an ag tractor than the 110. It will out spec a 110 but not buy much. The fit and finish of the 110 is better IMO. I don't think reliability is going to be an issue with either machine. I don't believe the l48 can be ordered new but I may be wrong. I thought it was discontinued with the M59 and l45. The best option is to run both units. After all it's all about personal preference.

Matt

[Votum Gardens LLC]

According to the Kubota Website and the reps I talked to on Wed, the M59 is still be offered. The L45 has replaced the L48, though apparently there still quite a bit of new L48's still out there.

When we were first looking for a TLB, we tried out a JD110. Our big issue with it outside of higher price for the name Deere, was it took longer to drop the backhoe and set up the 3pt than the Kubota. Beyond that we never saw a difference in performance. Zilch, Nada, Nothing if the 110 could do it so could the L48, if the L48 couldn't do the job, neither could the 110. And then as you can see in my sig we went and bought a L39.

[Skidsteerman]

I'd buy a rusty POS shovel before I ever laid one red cent on any thing JCB. Euopinis can't MFG quality reliable equipment no matter how hard they try. Good luck waiting FOR ever and paying out the ass for replacement parts for them as well. Resell value is a piss poor as well.

The JCB 210 better out preform a JD 110 or L48 - it weights out 12K Vs. the others which weight out around 7700lbs. Apples and Oranges IMO.

We have a skid plate laser cut and bent for the JD 110tlb units to protect the underside.

As for as dropping the backhoe and installing the three point being tough?!? If you found this hard to preform then everything you do in life must be a PITA.

You can drop the backhoe off the Deere without leaving the operator seat by removing two pins without tools. Three point linkage just slides over pivot pins and install Lynch retaining pins... how hard can that be???:dizzy:

On the underside of the Deere backhoe attachment there are two pockets you can slide pallet fork rails into to easily move it around if needed or laod it for transport.

The Deere front loader is permanent mounted to the tractor - maybe JCB told you it was a bad idea but I've never seen any failures in the last 8 ~ 10 years it's been on the market. Then again, it's not a full size TLB, it's a compact TLB. Planetary drive axles are over kill on a tractor this size don't ya think?

Either way buy what you like or what fits your needs the best and good luck swimming through the bias pool.

[bearmtnmartin]

well, I tried the JD110. I lasted an hour, and I told the salesman to come and pick it up. Its not a serious excavating machine with that foolish seat arrangement. I would look at either the Yanmar CBL40, or the JCB midi, which is what I went with.

[bobcat_ron]

well, I tried the JD110. I lasted an hour, and I told the salesman to come and pick it up. Its not a serious excavating machine with that foolish seat arrangement. I would look at either the Yanmar CBL40, or the JCB midi, which is what I went with.

How come you didn't go with the 4x4x4 arrangement?

[bearmtnmartin]

I went with this one because I got quickchange front and back, cab with heat and air, 4 in 1, I can get in and out of small back yards(I install septic systems)and I can haul it easily behind my pickup

[Votum Gardens LLC]

I'd buy a rusty POS shovel before I ever laid one red cent on any thing JCB. Euopinis can't MFG quality reliable equipment no matter how hard they try. Good luck waiting FOR ever and paying out the ass for replacement parts for them as well. Resell value is a piss poor as well.

The JCB 210 better out preform a JD 110 or L48 - it weights out 12K Vs. the others which weight out around 7700lbs. Apples and Oranges IMO.

We have a skid plate laser cut and bent for the JD 110tlb units to protect the underside.

As for as dropping the backhoe and installing the three point being tough?!? If you found this hard to preform then everything you do in life must be a PITA.

You can drop the backhoe off the Deere without leaving the operator seat by removing two pins without tools. Three point linkage just slides over pivot pins and install Lynch retaining pins... how hard can that be???:dizzy:

On the underside of the Deere backhoe attachment there are two pockets you can slide pallet fork rails into to easily move it around if needed or laod it for transport.

The Deere front loader is permanent mounted to the tractor - maybe JCB told you it was a bad idea but I've never seen any failures in the last 8 ~ 10 years it's been on the market. Then again, it's not a full size TLB, it's a compact TLB. Planetary drive axles are over kill on a tractor this size don't ya think?

Either way buy what you like or what fits your needs the best and good luck swimming through the bias pool.

And where did I say that I found it hard to drop the backhoe off of the Deere? What I said was it was slower than the Kubota. Does your company have a fertilization program? If so, maybe you ought to look into doing that. You would save so much money by just going to the jobsites and talking towards the areas that need the fertilizer. On second thought maybe you shouldn't, you would kill everything with over fetilization. Man the crap you spew.

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

does the JCB have a factory cab option?

the only drawback to the MIDI is the weak PTO HP. rated at 25 hp. i was thinking about a landpride rear tiller and a rear mounted inverted snow blower for winter use.

[WillieWonka1850]

does the JCB have a factory cab option?

the only drawback to the MIDI is the weak PTO HP. rated at 25 hp. i was thinking about a landpride rear tiller and a rear mounted inverted snow blower for winter use.
Yes the MIDI does offer a factory cab.

They most likely use a hydraulic powered PTO. They are generally weaker.
Bobcat's Toolcat 5610 uses a hydraulic rear PTO.
59hp Turbo Diesel, also only 25 PTO hp.

My uncle was faced with the same thing back in 1990 when he was interested in the Ford 555 Loader/Tractor. They might have attachments that you can power hydraulically. I know they had a hydraulic powered 3pt Bush Hog back in 1990. The advantage is you get more power to the attachment. Down side is price.

But I'm not even sure if the make 3pt Hydraulic powered attachments anymore.

[jcbgm]

does the JCB have a factory cab option?

the only drawback to the MIDI is the weak PTO HP. rated at 25 hp. i was thinking about a landpride rear tiller and a rear mounted inverted snow blower for winter use.

There is a factory cab option. They just started the doing the cabs in late '08. Probably 98% of them out there are canopy. I don't know enough about tillers to offer a solution, but you'd just run a standard flow 72" skidsteer snowblower from the front.

I'll shoot you an email tomorrow........

[ksss]

And where did I say that I found it hard to drop the backhoe off of the Deere? What I said was it was slower than the Kubota. Does your company have a fertilization program? If so, maybe you ought to look into doing that. You would save so much money by just going to the jobsites and talking towards the areas that need the fertilizer. On second thought maybe you shouldn't, you would kill everything with over fetilization. Man the crap you spew.


He cant help it. He has no Class.:rolleyes:


There are several salesman on here, who even though they don't sell my prefered color, I think would be a pleasure to do business with, JD skid steer and Iron Peddler come to mind as well as KXtrax, this guy is a D bag.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

He cant help it. He has no Class.:rolleyes:


There are several salesman on here, who even though they don't sell my prefered color, I think would be a pleasure to do business with, JD skid steer and Iron Peddler come to mind as well as KXtrax, this guy is a D bag.

Your just sucking up for that free meal I promised you next trip down to God's country.

[WillieWonka1850]

I want a free meal!! :cry: :laugh:

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

what is the gpm flow on the aux hydraulics on the front of the MIDI? would it be enough to run a harley or fcc rake? because then i can run a harley rake up front and a box blade on the back for reseeding/lawn installs.

i checked the specs and it lists the main pump at 19gpm, does that mean aux get the same? and it says under optional equipment: hydraulic pto, and front aux hydro is standard.

[ksss]

Your just sucking up for that free meal I promised you next trip down to God's country.



Ha, actually it was genuine but if allows me to order dessert as well, so be it. :drinkup:


I don't know if I would call it God's country it felt more like Hades when I was there.:laugh:

[bearmtnmartin]

what is the gpm flow on the aux hydraulics on the front of the MIDI? would it be enough to run a harley or fcc rake? because then i can run a harley rake up front and a box blade on the back for reseeding/lawn installs.

i checked the specs and it lists the main pump at 19gpm, does that mean aux get the same? and it says under optional equipment: hydraulic pto, and front aux hydro is standard.

I am going to guess that the aux flow to the front isn't huge. They are only 1/2 inch lines I think on mine, so probably just enough to run a 4 in 1 or a grapple. But I could be wrong.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Ha, actually it was genuine but if allows me to order dessert as well, so be it. :drinkup:


I don't know if I would call it God's country it felt more like Hades when I was there.:laugh:

You shoud be here this summer. It was in the 50's a few nights. More 80's during the day than 90's so far. And we have had rain. It is the 60 and 70 degree days we have pop in and out during the winter I like.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

I want a free meal!! :cry: :laugh:

Stop in and we will feed you.

[WillieWonka1850]

Stop in and we will feed you.
I would love to.
But I don't feel like driving from Michigan to, wherever you are down south.
Wait a minute, I can't even drive! NOO!! :cry:

[SiteSolutions]

Stop in and we will feed you.

I'll be swinging by a little after noon.:laugh:

[JDSKIDSTEER]

I'll be swinging by a little after noon.:laugh:I missed lunch waiting on you.:laugh:

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

the M6 skid steer harley rake requires a minimum of 13gpm according to its specs. ive only found total gpm on JCB's website of 19.

[ksss]

I missed lunch waiting on you.:laugh:


Save the money you would have spent on Site and I'll use his allocation of funds!

I like ordering the CAT-fish and the steak together!

[SiteSolutions]

I missed lunch waiting on you.:laugh:

Sorry bout that. We're working right across the street from you but the rain shut us down. Didn't feel like just sitting there for a couple hours, even for a free meal. Plus I figgered your deal might not apply to folks who ought to be able to find food on their own in this town.:laugh:

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Sorry bout that. We're working right across the street from you but the rain shut us down. Didn't feel like just sitting there for a couple hours, even for a free meal. Plus I figgered your deal might not apply to folks who ought to be able to find food on their own in this town.:laugh:

You all are homesteading that job.