My Kitty got torn up

[bobcat_ron]

I've been asked to post a few pics on an "accident" that happened between a rock and my right track on my 247B2, still a damn mystery when it happened and how exactly, I am currently looking for a used track(s) just as a back up in case it really gets worse, but one thing I know for sure, no more burying the undercarriage like I did before.
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This pic kinda leads me to wonder if the outside guide lugs were delaminated, look at how the lug ripped off the track, and yet there is still a thin sliver of rubber still on the outside that holds it together.
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It's only when the cut fills up with dirt and mud that it opens up, but it's not noticeable from the top:
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I do know this was from a preexisting cut in the track, and it popped there from the cut.

New tracks from Finning are $2250 per track, and the parts guy told me the same BS I heard before, "you can't put new tracks on an old undercarriage because it will wear faster, you must replace everything".

I told him that's BS, this isn't a D3 dozer, if you put new rails and kept the old sprockets and rollers, the rails will wear faster, this is rubber on rubber.

But I would much rather find a good used track(s) and get 500 hours out of them and only spend more than 1/2 than spend $4,000 - $5,000 for new ones.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

How many hours have you got on your kitty cat now.

[Junior M]

This pic kinda leads me to wonder if the outside guide lugs were delaminated, look at how the lug ripped off the track, and yet there is still a thin sliver of rubber still on the outside that holds it together.

delaminated? ;) Whats that mean?

Is the rubber that soft that it could shove a rock right through it? ;)

[AWJ Services]

Did you actually expect anything different to happen when using it in Rocks?

[Dirtman2007]

Its not that bad, my takkie has a rip worse than that and it still fine and dandy. but he's right the tracks and th sprockets wear together. my sprockets were wearing to the point where they formed a hook so we replaced them... within 100 hours the new ones were worn down like the old ones were. Thats funny, I can get new tracks for a TL150 for $1500 each.

[mhilton]

Should of bought a tak

[bobcat_ron]

450 hours on the meter in the worst conditions possible, concrete demo tear out, rip rap and river rock, mud up to the drive motors and serious pavement pounding, I am flabbergasted it actually went this far, I was predicting 300 hours.

It's the sharp rock I was more worried about, the round rock I was working in doesn't seem to bother it, but I guess when I was going balls out, I was pushing the bucket through a pile and as I pushed through, the left over soil got higher than the drive motors and the material sluffed in, then I guess a rock rolled in.

The rubber is soft enough that it stretches if there is something that plugs it up, but like I mentioned, maybe an existing crack or even a slice did it in.

No, I still will not give up on this machine, it's an absolute dream machine in hot weather.

Your machines with double and triple stacked radiators have issues with dust and cooling problems, these Cats on the other hand, the dust passes right through the single radiator.

[AWJ Services]

You guys have no idea what dust is till you come down south.LOL

[Junior M]

You guys have no idea what dust is till you come down south.LOL
Wait till they load a tandem with sand after multiple weeks of no rain and a hot freakin wind is blowing in your face with no cab. Thats rough..

oh yeah and it feels like 108 or so. :laugh:

[SpecOne]

Wait till they load a tandem with sand after multiple weeks of no rain and a hot freakin wind is blowing in your face with no cab. Thats rough..

oh yeah and it feels like 108 or so. :laugh:

I concur with both AWJ and Junior on this. This summer is breakin all kinds of records here.

[Junior M]

I concur with both AWJ and Junior on this. This summer is breakin all kinds of records here.
This summer has been decent up until last week, when it started raining at night and then its humid as hell during the day.

But with my new job the latest we are out is noon and we start at 6 or 6:30 so its like being Chris, only in the heat if need be! :laugh:

[stuvecorp]

It's been weird, this July has been one of the coolest on record here.

[Gravel Rat]

Its been horribly hot here maybe not for you guys in the south but for us here its awfull.

As for Ronnys tracks you know if you deal with finning's you need some grease and a roid cushion :laugh:

[JDSKIDSTEER]

I hope you made enough money to pay for those tracks and save some for rollers. That is not what a track machine is suppose to do, especially a Cat with ASV undercarraige. Some jobs are better to pass up on.

[tbi]

For crying out loud "worst possible conditions". Even a Bobcat would have gotten 800 hours from the pics I've seen you post.

[SellingIron]

I think its time for B-Ron to get M-Powered......:laugh:

[Junior M]

I think its time for B-Ron to get M-Powered......:laugh:
Welcome back to the White side.. :cool2:

[bobcat_ron]

For crying out loud "worst possible conditions". Even a Bobcat would have gotten 800 hours from the pics I've seen you post.

Exactly, my T190 got 800 hours until the track snapped at 850, and I put it through the same conditions, but if a rock got caught between any moving part and the track, it wouldn't move, so maybe these MTL's are better for certain types of material ingestion, but they have a down side too.

The other side of the coin is this, with all the "curb hopping" I do inside barns, I wouldn't want to do it with a rigid frame, and all the fine grading work with low compaction. Also, the wider tracks I find wear less when pavement pounding, it seemed like my T190, I could measure the tracks thickness before pavement pounding and see 2mm of wear at the end of the day.
The M Series is too wide BTW.

[bobcat_ron]

I hope you made enough money to pay for those tracks and save some for rollers. That is not what a track machine is suppose to do, especially a Cat with ASV undercarriage. Some jobs are better to pass up on.

My monthly pay cheque is $5,000 and it's been as high as $6,500, that's all from the big iron, trust me, as long as I keep making more money on the big stuff, I could care less, this little Kitty is a tax write off.
The rollers will get rotated around, out side with the inside. The out side ones get the most abuse due to the outer guide lugs trapping rocks between them and the rollers, and the other side of the tracks has no guide lugs due to clearance issues with the drive motors.

I do pass up some jobs, crushed concrete work where I am levelling it out as it's bailed to me, that's even harsher than our 3" minus gravel.
But when you have a D4, 3 Cat 320's, a Hitachi 75 and 27 at your fingertips, it's easy to find something else to do the job, and I still make money doing it.

[Gravel Rat]

I wish I made 5000-6500 a month I only make 2500 a month clear.

[ksss]

What kind of shape is the rest of the track components in? It looks like the one roller that is visible is chewed up some but what about the squirrel cage and the other rollers? Maybe Digdeep will comment, he had very reasonable numbers for complete suspensions for that size machine through ASV. You could also Larry Lug it and see if that would help, get you by. It looks by the one roller if that is any indication that your not too far from needing more than just a track. No one has ever said that suspension is cheap to run. Quiet, smooth, yes it is, cheap and durable are not words you hear used to describe it. Time to pay the Piper.

[P.Services]

my kitty got torn up.... thats what she said.

[bobcat_ron]

What kind of shape is the rest of the track components in? It looks like the one roller that is visible is chewed up some but what about the squirrel cage and the other rollers? Maybe Digdeep will comment, he had very reasonable numbers for complete suspensions for that size machine through ASV. You could also Larry Lug it and see if that would help, get you by. It looks by the one roller if that is any indication that your not too far from needing more than just a track. No one has ever said that suspension is cheap to run. Quiet, smooth, yes it is, cheap and durable are not words you hear used to describe it. Time to pay the Piper.

Just the outsides of the outside rollers are like that, the actual running surfaces are smooth, stick your head under the machine and take a look at the inside rollers, and they are in pristine condition, but that because they aren't riding against the guide lugs.
Everything else is all still within factory specifications, the only exception is the front idlers, 1 outside and 1 inside one is chewed up, but from what I hear, our Cat dealer now has the optional steel front 14" wheels that they will ask the customer if they want them, I've seen some of the C series MTL's at Finning's yard with them on the front and rear.

The whole $20,000 U/C rebuild cost was Cat's people talking, they are the type that want to rebuild everything every 1000 hours, they think like it is a truck and every time they put new tires on all 4 corners, hell, lets rebuild all the axle seals, suspension and why not, the brakes, "just in case".

I've been through manure deeper than the drive motors and all the bearings on the rollers are fine, no squeaks and I can turn all the rollers by hand and they all still feel the same. The new metal face seals really help, the old style hubs and rollers were a PITA and they broke a lot.

I am waiting for a price quote from Bair Products on the DRB tracks, they look thicker overall and the tread pattern is very thick, wide and aggresive.
The new ASV extreme tracks won't work on the Cat's because they are 16.5" wide (1.5" wider) and Cat's only have barely 1/2" of room between the track and frame.
Radmeister is another company I am getting a quote on as well as I have a number from a dude that has a spare 40% worn tracks that he might want to sell.

[Gravel Rat]

Put it this way Ron could you do the jobs with a wheeled skid ?

If you could will be be as fast "no"

Think of it this way it is no different than having a rock hammer for a excavator it beats the crap out of the machine but you charge a hourly rate that takes in count for that.

You will have to bite the bullet and buy new rubber bands. As for Finning's don't let them push you into spending more money than you have to. They are probably slow sales wise because nobody buys yellow iron excavators unless they are union companies. Wheel loader and dozer sales are down because mining and oil field work is slow.

Fix what ever you need to replace and install the new tracks.

Its not like steel tracks if you run a worn out sprocket on a new chain or a set of rollers that don't turn well and drag.

[bobcat_ron]

Put it this way Ron could you do the jobs with a wheeled skid ?

If you could will be be as fast "no"
Think of it this way it is no different than having a rock hammer for a excavator it beats the crap out of the machine but you charge a hourly rate that takes in count for that.

You will have to bite the bullet and buy new rubber bands. As for Finning's don't let them push you into spending more money than you have to. They are probably slow sales wise because nobody buys yellow iron excavators unless they are union companies. Wheel loader and dozer sales are down because mining and oil field work is slow.

Fix what ever you need to replace and install the new tracks.

Its not like steel tracks if you run a worn out sprocket on a new chain or a set of rollers that don't turn well and drag.

You nailed it there, just trying to grade sand and gravel with a skid steer from a customer with tires is an impossibility with me, my methods are quicker and faster than any other wheeled mahine.
I have contemplated a VTS machine like a 236B2, but they still are too wide, but I would love to try one out sometime.

[Junior M]

You nailed it there, just trying to grade sand and gravel with a skid steer from a customer with tires is an impossibility with me, my methods are quicker and faster than any other wheeled mahine.
I have contemplated a VTS machine like a 236B2, but they still are too wide, but I would love to try one out sometime.
That Takkie is calling your name.. :cool2:

[WillieWonka1850]

I would give my Feedback on Takkies,
but I don't want to risk being *****ed at.

Anyway give Power Tran a try :laugh:
Or how bout that new Deere CT315 :laugh: :laugh:
I would actually like to have a look at that little CT315.
But I might stick with Power Tan.

[AWJ Services]

I would give my Feedback on Takkies,
but I don't want to risk being *****ed at.

Anyway give Power Tran a try :laugh:
Or how bout that new Deere CT315 :laugh: :laugh:
I would actually like to have a look at that little CT315.
But I might stick with Power Tan.

We all work under different conditions and we all need different things from our machines.
My steak may be your Hamburger.

[Junior M]

We all work under different conditions and we all need different things from our machines.
My steak may be your Hamburger.
But anyway you look at it that 315 will still be a worthless underpowered piece of junk. :laugh:

(No, I havent had seat time, but look at the freakin specs people, its horrible!)

[WillieWonka1850]

But anyway you look at it that 315 will still be a worthless underpowered piece of junk. :laugh:

(No, I havent had seat time, but look at the freakin specs people, its horrible!)
Like I said I'll stick to Case and Caterpillar.
I would like to get some seat time on a CT322, though

[ksss]

But anyway you look at it that 315 will still be a worthless underpowered piece of junk. :laugh:

(No, I havent had seat time, but look at the freakin specs people, its horrible!)


Jr. how many times have you told me that you don't look at the specs. You just run the machine.:nono:

I just had to put that back on you.:clapping:


I don't disagree with your point only that it goes against your own arguement when I talk about specs of different machines.

[Gravel Rat]

The problem for guys like Ron the John Deere dealer isn't that great. Brandt tractor doesn't deal much in skid steers. Takeuchi isn't that common in B.C. and Case skid steers are not that common I don't think Parker Pacific sells many Case skid steers.

[bobcat_ron]

I am going to make 3 phone calls to 3 ASV dealers today, 1 of them is the Terex/Case dealer, (that should be interesting) and the others are 1 local and another one in the Island.

I will post the results of the quotes when they come in.

[BigDigger]

Its been horribly hot here maybe not for you guys in the south but for us here its awfull.

As for Ronnys tracks you know if you deal with finning's you need some grease and a roid cushion :laugh:

dude you don't need a roid cushion.....you can't have roids if they tear your whole damn sphincter out :cry:

[BigDigger]

the only exception is the front idlers, 1 outside and 1 inside one is chewed up, but from what I hear, our Cat dealer now has the optional steel front 14" wheels that they will ask the customer if they want them, I've seen some of the C series MTL's at Finning's yard with them on the front and rear.

The only issue is that the steel idlers will wear a groove into your track. I don't know if someone already addressed this, but there is a good case for sticking with the rubber. They work find in Steel banded CTL tracks but ASV's will show wear soon. The give from the rubber eats up alot of abrasive wear. As seen by the actual wear on your rubberized idlers. Take that away and you only have the rubber on your tracks to give.

Cheers Ronny

[bobcat_ron]

The only issue is that the steel idlers will wear a groove into your track. I don't know if someone already addressed this, but there is a good case for sticking with the rubber. They work find in Steel banded CTL tracks but ASV's will show wear soon. The give from the rubber eats up alot of abrasive wear. As seen by the actual wear on your rubberized idlers. Take that away and you only have the rubber on your tracks to give.

Cheers Ronny

Good point.

Made some calls today, Case/Terex dealer in town, they want nothing to do with Terex's excavators (they are already selling LBX/Case) but they just sell their rock trucks, so obviously no one wants to deal with ASV/Terex.

ASV dealer #2, Island Machinery in Duncan, wow, talk about dropping a dookie, $4200 PER TRACK!!!!

Dealer #3, I phoned the wrong number, but if they are the same as dealer #2, Finning's $2250 per track is a deal, and they have them in the yard.
I will find the right number this time.

[ksss]

The problem for guys like Ron the John Deere dealer isn't that great. Brandt tractor doesn't deal much in skid steers. Takeuchi isn't that common in B.C. and Case skid steers are not that common I don't think Parker Pacific sells many Case skid steers.


Hammer Equipment in Alberta is a huge CASE dealer. They move a lot of CASE skid steers.

[Stick Pro]

that track still looks like u can run it. Are the cogs popping on the sprocket? I would run it until it falls off. We have not changed any of our rollers on our 87 for the las three sets of tracks. The do not wear no faster or slower, with worn out of new rollers. Cat is just trying to make more money.

[bobcat_ron]

Hammer Equipment in Alberta is a huge CASE dealer. They move a lot of CASE skid steers.

They also sold a bunch of Takeuchi CTL's to the Cat Rental stores, go figure, that says alot about the Takeuchi's, but then Cat came out with the CTL machines and they all went to auction.

They have 2 TL130's I was looking at for cheap, but over 1000 hours.

[bobcat_ron]

that track still looks like u can run it. Are the cogs popping on the sprocket? I would run it until it falls off. We have not changed any of our rollers on our 87 for the las three sets of tracks. The do not wear no faster or slower, with worn out of new rollers. Cat is just trying to make more money.

No popping, only when I am on pavement and I turn really quick and hard will I get the popping noise.
When I get to 500 hours, the oil change and filters gets done, and then the tracks will be taken off, all the rollers will get rotated inside to outside and the front idlers will be rotated as well, then the tacks will be swapped, left to right to get equal wear on the drive lugs.

I am really looking forward to it, last time I did a track change was on my T190, on my trailer in mid morning in a heat wave and wrestling the snapped track off and learning a new trick to get the grease pressure out of the tensioner, Dad has some neat idea's for that, and an old excavator sure helps too.

[Stick Pro]

if that thing is not poping i would keep running it. Do the make lary lugs for the outside lugs on that track?

[alco]

They also sold a bunch of Takeuchi CTL's to the Cat Rental stores, go figure, that says alot about the Takeuchi's, but then Cat came out with the CTL machines and they all went to auction.


Funny thing, my brother in law is the counter manager at the local Cat Rental Store. They aren't bringing in any more Cat CTLs/MTLs, they are now going to wheeled machines and equipping them with Loegering VTS. They were having far too many issues with the CTLs/MTLs, but the VTS seems to be a whole lot better for them.

[bobcat_ron]

if that thing is not poping i would keep running it. Do the make lary lugs for the outside lugs on that track?

No, only the main drive lugs. I'm not too worriedabout them as the tracks will be rotated and that will increase the wear life on the other side of the lugs.

[bobcat_ron]

Funny thing, my brother in law is the counter manager at the local Cat Rental Store. They aren't bringing in any more Cat CTLs/MTLs, they are now going to wheeled machines and equipping them with Loegering VTS. They were having far too many issues with the CTLs/MTLs, but the VTS seems to be a whole lot better for them.

Same here, the price tag on the CTL's is huge and a charging higher rental rates for them is unjustified, so it's easier and cheaper to buy wheeled untit and swap the VTS over to the models, then when the tracks and undercarriage gets torn up, they can still slap the wheels on and still make money with the machine while the VTS is repaired.

[Digdeep]

What kind of shape is the rest of the track components in? It looks like the one roller that is visible is chewed up some but what about the squirrel cage and the other rollers? Maybe Digdeep will comment, he had very reasonable numbers for complete suspensions for that size machine through ASV. You could also Larry Lug it and see if that would help, get you by. It looks by the one roller if that is any indication that your not too far from needing more than just a track. No one has ever said that suspension is cheap to run. Quiet, smooth, yes it is, cheap and durable are not words you hear used to describe it. Time to pay the Piper.

Ron it sucks that you cut your track but you can still run the heck out of it without hurting anything. Your CAT dealer is smoking crack by telling you that you need to replace everything. The drive system on the ASV is NOT the same as a Bobcat. It looks like the major damage is to what I was told is called a "guide lug" and it is basically for working on slopes. You can literally cut that outside lug off since it doesn't even feed through your sprocket. I was told that this will keep it from ripping. My tracks were pretty rough when I replaced them and I think I could have gotten some more hours out of them but I didn't want to be scrambling during snow removal season. All of your wheels still look good and I wouldn't worry about replacing any of them. BTW....I think you're getting hoseded by your local ASV dealer. I can buy a brand new track for $1900 with a 24 month/1000hr warranty from my local ASV dealer. I would call ASV to find out who your sales rep is so you can ask him why the ASV dealer in your area is sticking it to customers.

Another thing...stay away from the aftermarket tracks. My experience with both Bobcat and operators I know with ASVs that have tried them has been frustration. Its one thing to buy an aftermarket track for a Takeuchi or Bobcat because these tracks have been made by aftermarket guys for along time. The drive system is the same as a mini-ex. Many of these aftermarket Bobcat tracks don't last as long as the Bridgestones. ASV has a specialized drive system/track configuration that they have been doing for along time. How well do you think some Chinese or Korean company is going to do with track life when they just started selling them? I know of customers who bought DRBs and couldn't even get them on their RC60 because they were too tight.

[Shadetree Ltd]

FWIW,

I find Brandt to be a great dealership that does have a dedicated CWP (skidsteer & mini) division. The DRB's that came on my Ditch Witch SK650 tore all the lugs out and had to be replaced with only 280 hours on them.

[bobcat_ron]

It's Finning all the way, for the win!

I phoned Avenue Machinery Corp, our local Kubota and ASV dealer, they gave me a price of $2800 per track, and it's straight from the factory, so I save $650 per track with Finning's price.

They (Avenue) also priced out the turf tracks, $3400 per track.
I have the machine on the trailer, now I can see how far the rip is, it's right up to the drive lug and behind it a bit, but still not in the actual drive lugs.
I have to tension the tracks tonight, so I will grab a pic of it.

[bobcat_ron]

Some more pics, now that I have it on the trailer for a close look, I looks like I ran over something pointy, but the rips are close to the drive lugs:
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Kal-Tire has these neat rubberized sticky patches they use here at the retread plant, they heat them in an oven and lay them over a crack in the sidewall of a big tire and it's like glue, I want to drop in there sometime and see what they say.

[Junior M]

Jr. how many times have you told me that you don't look at the specs. You just run the machine.:nono:

I just had to put that back on you.:clapping:


I don't disagree with your point only that it goes against your own arguement when I talk about specs of different machines.

Yeah, I know, that went against everything I've said but I had to look at them when it was being discussed here..

[AWJ Services]

Ron it sucks that you cut your track but you can still run the heck out of it without hurting anything. Your CAT dealer is smoking crack by telling you that you need to replace everything. The drive system on the ASV is NOT the same as a Bobcat. It looks like the major damage is to what I was told is called a "guide lug" and it is basically for working on slopes. You can literally cut that outside lug off since it doesn't even feed through your sprocket. I was told that this will keep it from ripping. My tracks were pretty rough when I replaced them and I think I could have gotten some more hours out of them but I didn't want to be scrambling during snow removal season. All of your wheels still look good and I wouldn't worry about replacing any of them. BTW....I think you're getting hoseded by your local ASV dealer. I can buy a brand new track for $1900 with a 24 month/1000hr warranty from my local ASV dealer. I would call ASV to find out who your sales rep is so you can ask him why the ASV dealer in your area is sticking it to customers.

Another thing...stay away from the aftermarket tracks. My experience with both Bobcat and operators I know with ASVs that have tried them has been frustration. Its one thing to buy an aftermarket track for a Takeuchi or Bobcat because these tracks have been made by aftermarket guys for along time. The drive system is the same as a mini-ex. Many of these aftermarket Bobcat tracks don't last as long as the Bridgestones. ASV has a specialized drive system/track configuration that they have been doing for along time. How well do you think some Chinese or Korean company is going to do with track life when they just started selling them? I know of customers who bought DRBs and couldn't even get them on their RC60 because they were too tight.

Remember he is Canadian and his money is not worth what ours is.
His 2800 may be your 1900 dollars.

[Shadetree Ltd]

$1900 US is only $2033 Cdn right now, and is predicted to be at par (or very close to) in the near future. :canadaflag:

[Gravel Rat]

Its nice when the dollar is close to on par then us Canadians can get some deals. I'am waiting a little longer then I'am putting in my fuel and oil filter order you can save a good chunk of money buying online from the USA.

I had a look at the pictures of the rip in Ronnys tracks I don't think your going to fix that. I have seen what they can fix in loader tires but they don't like fixing if its ripped any of the cords.

Hate to say it but Ron is going have to slather up his back side and wait for what is coming to him :laugh:

I can already hear the parts manager at Finning's saying come on in Ron we have been waiting for you :hammerhead:

Well you wanted to be in the skid steer business :canadaflag:

[AWJ Services]

$1900 US is only $2033 Cdn right now, and is predicted to be at par (or very close to) in the near future. :canadaflag:

My buddy up in Canada was complaining about it a few months back so I guess that is why I have not heard him complainong lately.LOL

[bobcat_ron]

I will make one final call to Finning, and get their definition of "end of Summer", that's when their track prices go back up, my definition of end of Summer is when the corn comes off and goes into silage and the farm girls put their shirts back on in the evening.

[Ben@speedbarn]

This doesn't sound good to me. I just got a call that our 247b2 is making a loud clicking noise out of the right side when turning. Wish they would have just got another wheeled machine.

[bobcat_ron]

This doesn't sound good to me. I just got a call that our 247b2 is making a loud clicking noise out of the right side when turning. Wish they would have just got another wheeled machine.

Sometimes the noise can be mistaken for the sprocket rollers clicking or the tracks want to jump off, check the track tension, chances are it's too tight or loose.
I thought my tracks were just right, but when I did the tension last night, the left one was 1" out and the right one (the one that ripped) was 1/2", darn near perfect.
Now it drives in a straight line.

[Ben@speedbarn]

Hmm...hopefully its something simple. It always clicks moving around, but supposedly its much worse now. I actually adjusted the tracks about 3 weeks ago, and they were pretty loose. I got them to 1/2" using 100lbs, and a straight edge like the manual stated. We'll see how it is now. It's only got about 130hrs on it now.

[bobcat_ron]

If it only does it while turning, then it's just the tension.
Try going in a straight line at idle, turn with one track on pavement and see what it does. Then try doing slow turns, reverse, forward.
If it was something big like a planetary or a drive motor, it would start skipping, like the one track is spinning.

[Ben@speedbarn]

Cool, thanks for the info Ron!