21" vrs. wb.'s

[TheLawnRanger]

i use 21&quot; lawnboy i thought i could save time<br>buying a wb but they are hard to stear,they hit anything and they take it right out of there way! even trees! they dont save time on small yards! they scalp! they burn lots of gas and high maintance! ill stick to lb and ill bo alot better!<br>

[Evan528]

lawnranger, will you give it a rest already? Just because you could not operate commercial mower correctly do not put the blame on the mower... your the operater! You are misleading many people to use very ineffitient eqiupment and only hurting them. I dont have pictures on the net but look at For example Eric's pictures and kirbys pictures of lawns done with a commerical mower... thats the job commerical mowers do if they are operated correctly! Commerical mowers not only finish the job 4 times faster but also give a nicer cleaner cut. Dont blame the fact that your mower is running over trees (lol) on anyhting but yourself. The trick is too start using a walkbehind mower in first gear untill you are comfortable enough to run it at a normal speed. It took me all of 10 mintes to be able to operate my first walkbehind. I have trained employees in 10 minutes also and they do fine. If you want to be unproductive and work for fun then thats your problem but im sick of you misguiding people who want to do things the right way!

[dfor]

Well said Evan. Give it up Lawnranger.

[KirbysLawn]

Not again!!! LawnRanger what is your ultimate goal here? What is the point?<br><p><font size="1">Edited by: KirbysLawn

[KirbysLawn]

In response to your post you state the following opinions:<p>1. They are hard to stear. Don't think so, my 14 year old son can operate mine with no problems. Squeeze both handles and go straight, release the left one and you go right, release the right and go left. Not a problem, takes a little practice.<br>2. They hit anything. So will your car, do you drive or walk? Your 21&quot; mower will hit anything......you let it hit.<br>3. They take it right out of there way! I don't have a clue what this means.<br>4. Even trees! I assume you are saying they hit trees, sure they will, so will your 21&quot;, and so will your car if YOU let it.<br>5. They dont save time on small yards! Really? My 48&quot; mower is still 48&quot;, and your 21&quot; is still only 21&quot;, even on a small lawn.<br>6. They scalp! Any mower will scalp if you have it too short.<br>7. They burn lots of gas. Bigger motor=more gas and more productivity. You drive a Yugo? They are better on gas than larger cars.<br>8. High maintance! Really? My Great Dane 48&quot; walk behind has had a total of ZERO repairs in 2 years. My Great Dane 52&quot; rider has had one repair in 3 years and the failure was my fault. What high maintenance and how would you know?<p>Please show us PROOF, not your opinion on why the great 21&quot; mower is better than the commercial walk behind. You stated in one of your earlier post that you mow for fun, that's GREAT, I also enjoy mowing. I do things for people also, just today I started mowing for an elderly man who had a massive stroke and is unable to maintain his lawn and due to 24 hour nursing his funds are very limited. I'm doing this at a significant discount and thanks to my larger mower I am able to do this for this man. If I was trying to run a business using your 21&quot; mower I would be mowing day & night and would not be able to help folks out.<p>You also said in another post family is important, and I agree. Today I mowed 12 lawns in 6 hours, made $440.00, was home by 7 (started at 12:30), and spent the morning and tonight with my boys. And please don't give me that materialistic crap, you criticize use for trying to mow faster to make more money when you have in your profile as your interest &quot;making $&quot;, PLEASE! We generally refer to people like that as HYPOCRITES. How long would it take you to mow 12 lawns with the 21&quot; mower? How much time would you have with your family?<p>Please stop giving BAD advice, your logic makes no sense. If you like your 21&quot; mower fine, keep it! Why do you continually post new topics trying to convince people to &quot;convert&quot; to a 21&quot; mower? We are not that dumb, sorry but I can't think of a better word. I will post a few photos of lawns I mow, you post a few you mow and we will compare 21&quot; v/s 48&quot;.<p>http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=681893&a=4967155&p=19958877&Sequence=0<p>http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=681893&a=4967155&p=19958882&Sequence=0<p>http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=681893&a=4967155&p=19958880&Sequence=0<p>Where's the scalps? All trees are standing! This is nuts and a stupid topic. Hey Eric, let's see the photos of the lawns you mow with the pathetic commercial mower you use!<p>Ray<p><font size="1">Edited by: KirbysLawn

[cantoo]

I cut 20 acres a week, how long would that take with a 21&quot; mower? We even cut a 3500 sq ft lawn with our Walker beause time is money.

[Eric ELM]

Here is another way to look at this Lawnranger. Your 21&quot; LB will mow at 4 MPH tops. My new DC will mow at 12 MPH and it has 3-21&quot; cuts under the deck which add up to 60&quot; or 10 feet going down and back. This means it would take 9 Lawn Boys to equal the cutting amount of my DC. I would have to go out and buy 9 Lawnboys and hire 9 operators and how much gas would these 9 Lawnboys use compared to my 1 DC diesel which burns 3 quarts an hour. How long would these 9 Lawnboy operators be able to handle this 4 MPH in 90 plus degree heat that we will have in the next couple months? How much would it cost me for workmans comp for these employees? How many of the 9 guys would show up for work each day? How would I transport all of these 9 guys? I think it would end up being 18 guys to do as much as my 1 DC will which drives up the costs even more. I think you need to rethink what your saying. Now, do you think a 18 man crew could come even close to making a lawn look good? All it takes is one guy that isn\'t mowing straight to make a lawn look horrible. I understand you think the 21&quot; LB is the way to mow grass, but it\'s going to be hard to convince all of us commercial guys that your way is better. Here is a lawn that my Commercial mower mowed and I\'ve never ran over a tree in the past 15 years. Please post one of your lawn pictures so we can see how much better it looks.

http://elms.bizland.com/pierce.jpg



[Edited by Eric ELM on 08-14-2000 at 12:18 PM]

[KirbysLawn]

Come on LawnRanger, put up or shut up.

[Guido]

I think he's finally done. I'm glad I'm not the only one to be the &quot;bad guy&quot;!! I said it to him before, so I'm not going to repeat myself. I just don't like the fact that hes trying to bring the industry backwards instead of forwards. BUT, as you can see, he doesn't have too many followers!!! SCRUB in all senses of the word.<p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/guidosequipmentpics/&quot;&gt;&quot;Guido&quot;&lt;/a&gt;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[rm121]

Awesome job Eric, you're making me look bad.

[TheLawnRanger]

EXCUSE ME! <br> AINT THIS THE RESIDENTIAL! LAWN FORUM!!!!<br> WHY DONT YOU GO BACK THE THE OTHER FORUM<br>AND STAY OUT OF THIS ONE.<br>I DONT GIVE A FLYING RATS BUTT ABOUT YOUR OPPION ON WHAT THE HECK YOU SAY! ALL YOU BIG<br>SHOT LAWN YUPIESS R IN IT FOR ONE REASON & 1<br>REASON ONLY$$ AND RIPPING PEOPLE OFF!FOR POOR<br>SERIVCE! IM HAPPY BUY MYSELF!WITH MY L.B.AND<br>MAKING PURE PROFIT! WHY DONT YOU STICK YOUR<br>WB UP YOUR !*&@%$*! YOU BUNCH OF TIGHT GREEDY<br>SONS OF A-----'- THIS IS RESIDENTAL FORUM<br>RETARDS! ABOUT 21&quot;'S WHO THE ---- USES A W.B.<br>TO MOW THERE OWN LAWN! LOL YOU PEOPLE WHO KEEP WRITING ME WHY DONT YOU STICK IT!AND SHUT UP! AND GET A LIFE! IM HAPPY WITH MY L.B<br>AND I ENJOY TALKING TO MY CUSTERMS!AMD DOING<br>MY BEST AND MAKING MY PEOPLE HAPPY! AND IM<br>LEASE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING A FAST BUCK! LIFE<br>IS SHORT! GOT GOD? ~MARK~

[paul]

thelawnranger,<br>Frist off you are making money mowing lawns, so then you must be commerical. Second these guys first wanted to help you but your hard head and small mind keep you from learning. Third learn to use lower case in your writing that way people can understand you. Fourth we come here to help others people that are having problem with there lawns not to talk abouthow good a Lawn Boy is over a Craftsman mower. If a home owner comes here and asks what is best for his yard we tell them like it is not how much better a 21&quot; cuts over a 48&quot;. <br>One thing we do know that is that you haven't shown us any of your lawns that you do but others here have shown us theirs and the quaility in the cut is way above that of any 21&quot; mower.<p>Have a nice day<p>----------<br>paul<br>

[KirbysLawn]

LawnRanger, be careful....<p>Conduct & Appropriate Use: <br>You agree to use LawnSite.com for lawful purposes only. You may not use LawnSite.com to:<p>Transmit any content that is abusive, vulgar, obscene, hateful, fraudulent, unlawful, threatening, harassing, or defamatory; <p>We would really hate to see you get kicked off this site. :( I do think calling someone an SOB :o , retards, telling them to stick it up thier a**, etc...could violate the agreement you signed when you started, dosn't it Eric?<p>You state: ALL YOU BIG<br>SHOT LAWN YUPIESS R IN IT FOR ONE REASON & 1<br>REASON ONLY$$ AND RIPPING PEOPLE OFF!FOR POOR<br>SERIVCE! IM HAPPY BUY MYSELF!<p>I'm not the one who has his intrest as making $$$ in his profile. &quot;Ripping people off and poor service?&quot; I'm not sure how you would know this since you do not know my pricing schedule or how my service is. Oh yea, buy is when you go to the store and purchase something, by is the term you were looking for. ;)<p>I saw your other post and will not post in it per your request. I didn't realize we were not allowed over here, sorry! Oh, congrats on the new Craftsman mower! Please post photos of the job your new mower does as soon as possible. :)<p>In your post you stated the bad in a WB and we countered with the good...with proof, if that makes you mad sorry. I bet when you used the walkbehind and wanted to stop, you let go of the handles thinking that would stop it and it continued. I did the same thing when I started and true, it would have ran over anything. But it was operator error, not the mowers fault as you have been told several times by many people. This will be my last post on the subject, I have better things to do and I really don't think anyone would take the advice you are giving anyway. How many times are you going to post the same subject anyway??<p>Also, could you please quit using God in your posts while using profanity towards others? And God is with a capital G in all cases, he deserves that respect, just check your Bible.<p>Thanks for the reply.<p><font size="1">Edited by: KirbysLawn

[bladecutter]

Wow! I sure picked the right time to jion this forum. LR your'e an intersesting duck.I have to agree with the rest of the guys. I use a 52&quot; proline walk behind with a sulkie on it. I can move it through spots that a rat would shake his head at ,my son can do the same. I can relate to your beliefs somewhat, as i felt the same way years ago before i could afford a real piece of art. Using a good commercial mower is very much like sex , once you've done it and mastered it there is no going back. Try a Toro proline with &quot;T&quot; bar steering you'll praise<br>the Lord.

[lakegastonla]

Lawnranger, why do you even bother coming to these sites?!? You are so thick headed...you refuse to listen to good advice people give you in good faith. You spread false info and propaganda and I really don't believe ANYONE gives a crap what you have to say. Your Lawn Boys suck...You are only pissing away time cutting lawns with a 21 incher...you are a simple minded hack who would not know a quality machine if it fell on him...You waste your time and our time with your ass backward posts...you give all of us in this profession a bad name...And last, but not least I am sure your customers love you, I'd pretend to love you, too if you were cutting my yard for next to nothing with cheapo loser equipment. Please Go back where you were before any of us had ever heard of(or laughed at) you. I hate to be mean, but I have read post after post of yours and you spout off the same old thick headed CRAP every time. People have given you GOOD advice till we are ALL blue in the face and you just ignore it. There is a time for all things and maybe you should ask yourself what you can add to these sites. Most of us are here to learn from one another......however, I don't think you have learned(or ever will learn) one thing here.<br>I wish you luck in the pursuit of extreme poverty, and please have some style and taste next time you submit a post. The ironic mix of religion and curse words in your last post speaks volumes about you. Again, I hate to be mean, but I feel that I am only saying that which most members feel.<p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><p><br>

[GrassCtr]

Amen!

[richard2]

The &quot;Lawn Ranger&quot; yells for a medic!!!

[Starling Lawn]

Eric,<br>Please take away the lawnranger`s horse.<br>Dave

[Guido]

Hey LawnRanger, I can't say what I want to say here, so why don't you drop me an e-mail. I don't want to get kicked off this forum for laying into you, becasue I actually learn here, and help others succeed...Unlike You and your negative posts. So E-mail me and we'll have our own little chat about this!! <p>----------<br>&lt;a href=&quot;http://communities.msn.com/guidosequipmentpics/&quot;&gt;&quot;Guido&quot;&lt;/a&gt;<br>David M. Famiglietti

[Josh Cardell]

Originally posted by TheLawnRanger
EXCUSE ME! <br> AINT THIS THE RESIDENTIAL! LAWN FORUM!!!!<br> WHY DONT YOU GO BACK THE THE OTHER FORUM<br>AND STAY OUT OF THIS ONE.<br>I DONT GIVE A FLYING RATS BUTT ABOUT YOUR OPPION ON WHAT THE HECK YOU SAY! ALL YOU BIG<br>SHOT LAWN YUPIESS R IN IT FOR ONE REASON & 1<br>REASON ONLY$$ AND RIPPING PEOPLE OFF!FOR POOR<br>SERIVCE! IM HAPPY BUY MYSELF!WITH MY L.B.AND<br>MAKING PURE PROFIT! WHY DONT YOU STICK YOUR<br>WB UP YOUR !*&@%$*! YOU BUNCH OF TIGHT GREEDY<br>SONS OF A-----'- THIS IS RESIDENTAL FORUM<br>RETARDS! ABOUT 21&quot;'S WHO THE ---- USES A W.B.<br>TO MOW THERE OWN LAWN! LOL YOU PEOPLE WHO KEEP WRITING ME WHY DONT YOU STICK IT!AND SHUT UP! AND GET A LIFE! IM HAPPY WITH MY L.B<br>AND I ENJOY TALKING TO MY CUSTERMS!AMD DOING<br>MY BEST AND MAKING MY PEOPLE HAPPY! AND IM<br>LEASE WORRIED ABOUT MAKING A FAST BUCK! LIFE<br>IS SHORT! GOT GOD? ~MARK~

[Josh Cardell]

lawnranger get real how could you say a lwan boy would be better than a commercial mower no matter what it is think about it get some common sence

[Cutter1]

That could be some of the funniest posts I have seen!! LawnBoyRanger.....give it up, you don't stand a chance. You really think these guys who cut hundreds of yards a week want to hear you complain about your 21" Lawn Boy and your lack of skills with a real mower?

[greenflag]

Lawn Ranger,

Try a spell checker. What the heck is a Custerms ?
I have a Lawn Boy, but it stays on the trailer unless I can't use the Great Dane or Toro walk behind.
Try it again I think with practice you will never go back.

Have a great day,

Greenflag

[KirbysLawn]

Oh no! Not this again, I hoped this would fade away. :D I'm not sure if the LawnRanger is still around, haven't heard from him lately.

[Evan528]

hes around! im sure hes just using a new user name. There is too much useful info on lawnsite to anyones buissness.