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DVS Hardscaper
08-11-2009, 10:37 PM
We have a large pool deck job we're pricing. At the moment, there is that 1" plastic drain that pool contractors always install with their pools.

We're taking out the concrete decking and installing pavers. We will need to replace that little drain the pool guys installed. It's about 50' of length (big pool deck, big house).

At the moment the pool deck falls towards their basement. But there is this little 1"wide drain that collects the water before it makes it's way to the basement door/wall. Seems to be working. However, in the past I have seen them clogged with sediment. Personally, I hate them.

In the past we have used 'Dura-slope' drain system. Which is basically a 6" wide box. Each box is 4' long and increases in depth. And the boxes are numbered and connect to one another in order of the numbers. GREAT drain system. And what's great about it is it allows you to keep the pavement level, as the boxes increase in depth. Problem is.....they're $90 / 4' section! And that doesn't include the grates! We're talking $1900 in materials for 50' of drain :(

The drain that the pool contractor installed has no pitch to it. It's level.

What types of drains do you guys use to drain water from pool decks? I'm thinking if the little 1" pool deck drain was working, than a cheap 4" drain will suffice?

mrusk
08-12-2009, 09:16 AM
Big house and they can"t afford a big drain? Strip drains look bad and ruin the clean lines of a patio. On my big job I got some brass drains and am putting 3 of them on my patio. We divided the patio into 3 square sections and each sections has a drain in the middle. Looks 10x better then a 6" drain accross the entire thing.
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CALandscapes
08-12-2009, 04:57 PM
The cheapo 4" drain will suffice. Once the water collects in the basins it will want to enter into the drain line and continue downhill, as the laws of gravity will attest to.

I've never even seen the sloped channel drains, although they sound like a good gimmick (gimmick being the key word; $90/ 4' section is insane)

Long and the short; use the regular cheapos if you're gonna go with a channel drain; they'll work fine without putting your clients over budget.

DVS Hardscaper
08-12-2009, 07:05 PM
thanks!

Wasn't really needing comments on my clients spending habits. Not my business by any means. But, you know there is a positive to this. Wealthy folks, he's the senior VP of a large, international company that does a lot of fed gov't jobs. They're pinching pennies on our work because they just purchased a well known fast food franchise along with one restaurant and it's real estate. Pinching pennies now, but there is beauty to this - as their restaurant business grows - so will their wallet - and hopefully that will trickle down to me :) So, Rusk-a-Roni, since you're concerned about their affordabilities, do you know the qualifications required to be a fast food franchisee of one of the top fast food franchises??


Got it taken care of. We're using the Duraslope. And yes, Rusk-a-Roni, they have 3 or 4 nice metal grates available for the duraslope. We use a lot of Duraslope, some of our clients go with the iron grates.


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mrusk
08-12-2009, 08:10 PM
DVS a strip drain across a patio will look like **** no matter what the grate is. That would not fly in my north jersey market.

P.L.
08-12-2009, 08:20 PM
I've used the duraslope before and think it's a good product. It easy to install and has many grate options which don't look bad at all.

DVS Hardscaper
08-12-2009, 08:28 PM
DVS a strip drain across a patio will look like **** no matter what the grate is. That would not fly in my north jersey market.



Yeah, "jersey". The state that hit 12% unemployment around July 18..........







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DVS Hardscaper
08-12-2009, 08:30 PM
I've used the duraslope before and think it's a good product. It easy to install and has many grate options which don't look bad at all.


The grate options just came available in April 2008. VERY heavy iron at that too, exceeded what I was expecting.

P.L.
08-12-2009, 08:47 PM
Maybe what I used was not duraslope but it was exactly like you described. I installed it in front of garage doors 4 or 5 years ago. The customer purchased the grate and I remember him saying it was pricey. At that time they had several different grate options, the ones I used were steel black grates.

Drakeslayer
10-24-2013, 11:51 PM
Dura slope. Marked up I sell it for $57 a foot. Homeowners are clueless.

Stillwater
10-25-2013, 02:41 AM
Homeowners are clueless.

A dangerous, and irresponsible thing to believe for a business owner...
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Drakeslayer
10-28-2013, 11:31 PM
A dangerous, and irresponsible thing to believe for a business owner...
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It's all in the presentation....they only know what one tells them.

DVS Hardscaper
10-30-2013, 10:55 AM
t. Homeowners are clueless.

No more clueless than a contractor that boasts on a forum tht he only builds walls correctly if a permit is being acquired......
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Drakeslayer
10-30-2013, 12:50 PM
No more clueless than a contractor that boasts on a forum tht he only builds walls correctly if a permit is being acquired......
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Wrong! One can build a wall correctly with out having to pay for a permit fee or have someone tell me to put grid, rock, tile or whatever it may need to be structurally sound. I should say that most of our walls are 4' or under by design to not have to deal with permitting or engineering. I have Never had a wall fail by our own negligence or poor workmanship.

Stillwater
10-30-2013, 05:48 PM
How many 4' walls do I need to install to receive a drakeslayer achievement...
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DVS Hardscaper
10-30-2013, 06:57 PM
Wrong! One can build a wall correctly with out having to pay for a permit fee or have someone tell me to put grid, rock, tile or whatever it may need to be structurally sound. I should say that most of our walls are 4' or under by design to not have to deal with permitting or engineering. I have Never had a wall fail by our own negligence or poor workmanship.

Like I said - "clueless".

say i am a home owner. Saw your ad boasting how you're the best in the area and have extensive yrs of experience. and you build a wall for me and you don't pull a permit.

I go to sell the house.

A prospective buyer has placed a contract on the house. and he does some research. They find an old satelite picture online and the see no trace of the wall in the photo. so they realize the wall is somewhat recent. And they ask to see the permit for the wall construction.

I don't have a permit because you the contractor didn't tell me one was needed.

Buyer backs out of the sale because no permit exists for the wall. A legality.

Now, because of your negligence - I can't sell my home.

Guess who's gonna be forced to buy it from me!

Permits go further than structural. They also tell a buyer that things were done formally.
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Drakeslayer
10-30-2013, 07:41 PM
I see the light now! I promise to change my ways guys. :drinkup:

DVS Hardscaper
10-30-2013, 09:32 PM
I see the light now! I promise to change my ways guys. :drinkup:

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Stillwater
10-31-2013, 01:23 AM
You should consider buying my tutorial educational CD's to further enhance your knowledge.

www.andrewhardscape.com/fanclub/education

Ah.... I found no DVDs at this link

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DVS Hardscaper
10-31-2013, 06:15 AM
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Hmmmm........looks like I'll have to launce a hearing like the gov't is doing with Obama's health care website.......



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