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coqui landscaping
08-12-2009, 07:59 PM
what does an average solo operator makes ??

i know its not a million dollars:laugh:

stephen424
08-12-2009, 08:16 PM
$75k a year

tinman
08-12-2009, 09:44 PM
so many variables. max I would guess with no help at all would be 70 K gross.

STIHL GUY
08-12-2009, 09:53 PM
depends on how mamy accounts and the size of the accounts. there are a lot of variables and there will be a lot of diffrent answers

lifetree
08-12-2009, 10:11 PM
$ 70 - 75 K per year seems a little high !!

coqui landscaping
08-12-2009, 11:38 PM
$ 70 - 75 K per year seems a little high !!

really lifetree waht do u think then??

Mckenzie's Maintenance
08-12-2009, 11:48 PM
this is gross or net...big difference

coqui landscaping
08-13-2009, 12:23 AM
this is gross or net...big difference


i guess gross i know is not the same

bohiaa
08-13-2009, 03:34 PM
solo guys cant touch that in 1 yr.

there more around 38-45,000.00

of corse it depends on what typr of services your providing, I'm assuming just cutting grass.

and also the area, as you know the recession has NOT hit all areas.

vanncann
08-13-2009, 08:16 PM
70K is not out of touch!!! It depends on the type of work you do, and who it's for.

m&mmowing
08-13-2009, 08:22 PM
Well, this depends, let's say you work 5 days a week, and 10 lawns a day.
You have 50 accounts, and if you average $40 a lawn you will be earning $400 a day. $400 a day translates to $2000 a week or $8000 a month. At 6 months like this, that translates to $48,000 gross, just off of mowing.

Now if you aerate, verticut, and overseed 1/2 of your customers, you have an extra $2000 for aerating if you double the mowing cost for aeration.

Then an extra $2000 for verticutting (vertislicing) if you use the same formula, plus any money you make off of seed.

Without leaves, spraying, fertilizing, tree trimming, dirt work, or landscaping, you will make $52,000 per year. If you hold 25% back for expenses, you end up with $39000 a year for 6 month earnings.

If you subcontract, and make 10% off of everything else, and say you do $20,000 in subcontracting (trees, dirtwork, etc) you have an extra $2000 gross, and $1500 net if you take out for the 25%.

You are at $40,000 before snow plowing and only 6 months of work. So is 70k reachable, gross, most definitely, with a good name and people that you subcontract are excellent, oh yeah, 70k is attainable solo

coopmaster
08-13-2009, 09:05 PM
Solo guy 3rd year. All residential accounts. 36 in walk behind and 21 mower.
Average 7 yards per day 6 days a week. Trim some bushes. Leaves in the fall, some fertilizing in the spring. Jan-March sit on butt or take some min wage job.
Around 40k before taxes, insurance and expenses.
Not a lot of money. I like being my own boss.

willretire@40
08-13-2009, 09:30 PM
Around here 1/4 acre. You can do 65yards at $40 a pop a week=$2600 x 30 weeks=$78k
Do that with a $4k truck $6k mower $200 push mower $1500 handhelds and all this will last 2 years no problem. Advertising would be about $3k a year. Insurance for truck and business=$2k a year. Secratary 8 months out the year $12k. Misc other fees. You should be able to pay yourself $40k a year.

coqui landscaping
08-13-2009, 10:30 PM
so its possible those are good numbers man

Chilehead
08-13-2009, 11:42 PM
solo guys cant touch that in 1 yr.

there more around 38-45,000.00

of corse it depends on what typr of services your providing, I'm assuming just cutting grass.

and also the area, as you know the recession has NOT hit all areas.

Not so. I gross roughly $85K a year. The key is having very dense routing for maintenance, most all maint. clients have me apply chemicals too, I install hardscapes in the winter, I install plants year round but mainly in fall and spring.

DA Quality Lawn & YS
08-14-2009, 12:27 AM
70K may be possible, but in my mind you would wear yourself to a nub by the end of the season. I would also guess such a business is highly diversified, with the ability to score a number of larger landscaping type projects to add up quickly. 70k mowing only would be like 100 avg sized resi customers - way too many for one guy.

I would say I will run a range of $18-$25K this season - will not be specific though.
And that is not full time hours, probably 25-30 hours a week. Still room to roam.

Also please note this is 6 month gross for us hardy winter boys. Those year rounders in the tropics have their numbers inflated for 12 months of work.

coqui landscaping
08-17-2009, 08:19 PM
good replys guys

milkie62
08-17-2009, 11:17 PM
One big BUT though: You need to get the customer base to make the $50k per year.

blk90s13
08-17-2009, 11:48 PM
Great replies guys thanks

Harvest_Moon
10-05-2009, 11:05 PM
So what would be a ballpark price on a lot which is about 150' X 200' with a 2000 sq. ft. house on it. I'm just getting started in S. La. and the competition is a bit stiff...I'm trying to break out at between $40-$60/hr, but I'm falling a bit off of that working alone.

milkie62
10-06-2009, 10:20 PM
I am only a part-timer and only have a very small ad.It was tough this year getting customers as compared to last year.Plus with the summer in my area there was a ton of rain up to the end of July.I would have been mowing in down pours to get everyone done.

GravelyGuy
10-06-2009, 10:36 PM
You can do close to or over 100k solo if you mow/fert/aerate. It's not fun and you get so burned out you couldn't even imagine.

GravelyGuy
10-06-2009, 10:38 PM
I forgot to mention snow too. We don't get much though. We go out for 1" of accumlation:laugh:

Lance L
10-06-2009, 10:48 PM
45-55k is very realistic take home number for working as if it was a regular job and not killing yourself. with out a lot of overhead, and whoever posted a sec for 12k/yr for a 75k income, lol, if you cant handle the phones and paper work for that kind of gross... your in trouble.and since these all seem to be gross numbers, dont get your hopes up on the high ones.

Hanau
10-06-2009, 11:26 PM
70k mowing only would be like 100 avg sized resi customers - way too many for one guy.

I did that my second year. :hammerhead:

Got really ambitious and signed 103 mowing contracts as a solo. :laugh:

The ones in the Orchards and Clarkston weren't so bad. Little tiny houses on itty bitty lots, close together. With enough Starbucks Frappucino I could handle 103 of those in a week.

What killed me was the big houses in Moscow-Pullman. The McMansions, those just sucked up time and energy.

Toughed it out solo for a month, then sunburned, heatstroked, and exhausted I hired the first joker that called about my ad.

Live and learn, don't do what I did! :dizzy:

Trevor8
10-07-2009, 04:31 PM
i mow 10 yards and make around 6000

Dman911
10-07-2009, 05:46 PM
It all depends...Residential or Commercial. You can do a commercial jobe that will pay about 20k in a full day x 5 days=

wteeter
10-07-2009, 05:54 PM
is there any chance of 100K busting it!!?

ed2hess
10-07-2009, 06:08 PM
I have read many post on lawnsite over a the years and it appears that the average guy can make around $36K take home. Some say they make a lot more but.....you can't always get a sweet set of high end paying customers in a short time.

S L C
10-08-2009, 11:56 PM
70K may be possible, but in my mind you would wear yourself to a nub by the end of the season. I would also guess such a business is highly diversified, with the ability to score a number of larger landscaping type projects to add up quickly. 70k mowing only would be like 100 avg sized resi customers - way too many for one guy.

I would say I will run a range of $18-$25K this season - will not be specific though.
And that is not full time hours, probably 25-30 hours a week. Still room to roam.

Also please note this is 6 month gross for us hardy winter boys. Those year rounders in the tropics have their numbers inflated for 12 months of work.

solo here in my third year, and do way better than what you are talking about!! but then again, I guess I work about everyday of the week, weather permitting~~ :drinkup::drinkup::sleeping:

milkie62
10-10-2009, 10:40 PM
I guess I will stay at my $65K postal job and mow after work for my "toy" money.I could not see myself working solo and going day after day chasing that elusive dollar.My hats off to you solo guys that are making big money as long as you are.But how many are setting up a 401k for themselves.That takes a big chuck out of a paycheck if you do not have employer matching contributions.I had a couple of big mulch jobs last year and there was no way I was going to get them done by myself.

Chilehead
10-10-2009, 11:50 PM
I guess I will stay at my $65K postal job and mow after work for my "toy" money.I could not see myself working solo and going day after day chasing that elusive dollar.My hats off to you solo guys that are making big money as long as you are.But how many are setting up a 401k for themselves.That takes a big chuck out of a paycheck if you do not have employer matching contributions.I had a couple of big mulch jobs last year and there was no way I was going to get them done by myself.

I put the maximum allowed ($5000.00) in a Roth IRA every year, and another $4000.00 a year in savings. payuppayuppayup

hackitdown
10-12-2009, 12:10 PM
When I was solo, I cut about 30 lawns per week, 23 weeks. Average price was $49. Spring and fall cleanups, dethatching, aerating, seeding, brush, mulch, plantings, etc adds about $20K per yr. Plowing in winter for another $10K gross.

Gas is $5K per yr, insurance, equipment, advertising, etc will suck you dry!

the ace
10-12-2009, 10:01 PM
I guess I will stay at my $65K postal job and mow after work for my "toy" money.I could not see myself working solo and going day after day chasing that elusive dollar.My hats off to you solo guys that are making big money as long as you are.But how many are setting up a 401k for themselves.That takes a big chuck out of a paycheck if you do not have employer matching contributions.I had a couple of big mulch jobs last year and there was no way I was going to get them done by myself.

I get my toy money by paying my bills for free on line instead of buying stamps and mailing them.

mwilson3
10-12-2009, 10:30 PM
Get back to you in a few month. The TRUE pros' aren't gonna give a number because its a bad question. No insult intended. Markets are different. Some place you cut all year, some you offer different services. I have spoken with a few guys before i got involved to make sure I was not low balling. You DO NOT want to be that guy.(Do a search) If you wanna get an idea if you can make a living doing this, then be a bit more specific. I am by NO means a old skool cutter but I am making my way and it seems that a good plan would be to get your STRIPES and get a few commercial accounts to supplement the homeowner accts that may fall off. By NO means put all of your eggs in one basket. Get a good mix and always over-quote and negotiate, better than working for nutz. I remember seeing a post that talks about lowering your price by 10 bux just to get a job...next thing ya know..peanutz!

<Mike

milkie62
10-13-2009, 12:09 AM
Low blow on the stamp thing there !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL I pay alot of my bills online since I do not trust the machines sorting the mail.

coqui landscaping
01-28-2010, 01:59 PM
wow what a response lol

willretire@40
01-28-2010, 02:07 PM
If you make $50k a year or more then please just cut grass on the side. That is if you plan on being solo

MOWITALL
01-28-2010, 02:10 PM
-$10,000 a year