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JC Lighting
08-26-2009, 02:36 PM
I need help finding a solution for this lighting problem.

Client currently has a 47 foot long brick step (see photos) with a 120 volt rope light under brick over hang. She wants to light this step with "something more attractive". No tree or structure close enough to hold a fixture or two from above. Doesn't like seeing the light source under the brick so it would have to be shielded. Any suggestions?

Thank You,

JC

JC Lighting
08-26-2009, 02:45 PM
FYI: That Oak in the photo looks like it would work but it's a bit misleading. The photo is at an angle and the tree branch just isn't very helpful toward a solution.

JC

JoeyD
08-26-2009, 04:02 PM
I wish I could help...............I am stumped!

Braphael
08-26-2009, 04:51 PM
Is the brick step straight or curved? If it is straight, try using two bullet spotlights with narrow beam bulbs (one at each end of the step). Slide the bullet spotlight into one end of the tubes and aim the beams across the step at each other. I might experiment with PVC pipe to see the effect and make adjustments. If the idea flies, you can buy anodized aluminum or brass, or even create a light column using brick. Make it with easy maintenance in mind. Just an idea.

emby
08-26-2009, 05:18 PM
Tough one,

I am trying to find an old link to a company here in Canada that made a product for rope lighting. Essentially it was din rail with a snap on mesh cover and they came in a lot of colours. On the din rail were little u-shape grooves to hold the rope lighting in place. I will try to find them if they are still in business. I know they tried selling this in the HD in Brantford but not sure if they still do.
You could always just install a couple of bullet lights on each side and aim them towards each other. Then try to get some ambient light from the trees to wash them out a bit. Just an idea.

Ken

seolatlanta
08-26-2009, 05:20 PM
You can run your wire up the rain gutters and downlight from the corners . Use filters and a fixture with a long shield to help with glare. You may not be able to hit them spot on , but enough light to spillover to do the trick.

irrig8r
08-26-2009, 05:21 PM
Nightscaping did make (may still make?) custom length LV they call Mini Border Lites and Micro Border Lites with metal shielding available (you might still get them to do powder-coated stainless, copper or sheet brass.)

They have been doing a lot of catch up work, but I heard a rumor they are gearing up for some custom orders again...

http://nightscaping.com/home_specialty_fixture.htm

http://nightscaping.com/microborder.htm

emby
08-26-2009, 05:39 PM
Ok found it. Here you go.

http://www.everglowlighting.ca/

SamIV
08-26-2009, 05:44 PM
They have been staring at that molded rope light for years with the extension cord, why not show her a very nice fixture that will seem almost invisible as it will match the antiqued look of the gutters and no wires showing to boot. You will only need four core drilled.

http://www.vision3lighting.com/prod3.asp?cid=39&pid=54 light

Burt Wilson
Accent Outdoor Lighting

Pro-Scapes
08-26-2009, 05:46 PM
Jim long time no hear from. Glad to see you have some projects going.

Is there mortar under that lip you could use a 7 inch grinder with a wheel to groove out ? I thought of the company Tom Williams mentioned called Roberts step light but the one that looks like it would work is limited to 15 ft and draws 6w per ft

This just might work for you if your brave

http://www.robertssteplite.com/Websites/RSL/Images/ra-12_series_1-09.pdf

Now if you could groove it out and hide a wire in there you could esentially run 3 sections 15 ft long. This would take 282 w total but is also dimmable and 12v. My guess is some marine epoxy and spring clamps overnight would make this thing stick like there is no tmrw.

Downlight the walk from the tree to help soften it up and you would be good to go.

If you dont want to get in to it get me a plane ticket... you buy lunch at the cliff house in san fran and we will tackle it together! Burts idea on the v3 wall light would work or you could do a simple CAST deck light on the brick walls too.

djt22
08-26-2009, 06:16 PM
If you think you can hide wire under the lip get vista's rail light in your hands you might be able to modify it enough to work. I don't think it is a true 1inch wide. http://www.vistapro.com/Files/Specs/4263-spec.pdf Also it has face plates front and back which one can be removed if needed.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
08-26-2009, 08:08 PM
Is the brick step straight or curved? If it is straight, try using two bullet spotlights with narrow beam bulbs (one at each end of the step). Slide the bullet spotlight into one end of the tubes and aim the beams across the step at each other. I might experiment with PVC pipe to see the effect and make adjustments. If the idea flies, you can buy anodized aluminum or brass, or even create a light column using brick. Make it with easy maintenance in mind. Just an idea.

I would give this a try in a demo. Use FRB MR16 lamps (narrow spot) inside a small discreet fully shrouded bullet (Lumiere 203) and graze the step from each side. It might just work out fine.

You can run your wire up the rain gutters and downlight from the corners . Use filters and a fixture with a long shield to help with glare. You may not be able to hit them spot on , but enough light to spillover to do the trick.

I agree, this technique would deliver enough light to that step. Use bullets with LONG shrouds and pop a glare louver in too for good measure.

Best of luck with it.

Lite4
08-26-2009, 09:59 PM
Better yet, get some Hunza tri-directional lights for in front of the step. I would estimate 4-5. Core your pavers in the desired locations for each light, pull up a row across the front, install the wiring, reinstall the pavers with the new lights and whamo! Ultra custom and low profile.

http://www.hunza.com.au/productsContemporary/productContPathLite.php

The Lighting Geek
08-26-2009, 10:42 PM
My 2 cents: I would do what billy said and I would groove at an angel with a 4 1/2" grinder and a diamond blade and recess LED rope light from AJ at AluminFX. It is 12 volts so you can hook it up to your lighting system. Also it is somewhat directional due to the LED configuration. You can check with AJ on the distance but I think it is 50' or more. The color rendition is great as well, nice warm temp. I have used them many times both on jobs and on Yard Crashers to gain the exact effect you want. It will give you a discrete glow and with out seeing the source. But I will warn you it is not a type of installation for the meek, you need to be fearless and careful. :)
Right Billy?

Geek out (that's Mr. Geek to you Billy) LOL

JC Lighting
08-27-2009, 01:56 AM
Just got home. Thanks for all the replies. I've got a lot of good ideas to look through here. I'll let you know what I go with and how it works out.

Thanks Again!

Jim C.

Pro-Scapes
08-27-2009, 09:22 AM
My 2 cents: I would do what billy said and I would groove at an angel with a 4 1/2" grinder and a diamond blade and recess LED rope light from AJ at AluminFX. It is 12 volts so you can hook it up to your lighting system. Also it is somewhat directional due to the LED configuration. You can check with AJ on the distance but I think it is 50' or more. The color rendition is great as well, nice warm temp. I have used them many times both on jobs and on Yard Crashers to gain the exact effect you want. It will give you a discrete glow and with out seeing the source. But I will warn you it is not a type of installation for the meek, you need to be fearless and careful. :)
Right Billy?

Geek out (that's Mr. Geek to you Billy) LOL


I disagree with it from the eaves for a couple of reasons. With the lenght of that step and the fact the eave is located on the "step up" side of the walkway it would create a shadow where the step is located. Also your at risk from glare. Without a profile shot and distance estimate its pretty hard to say.

I would definatly use the downlighting to create some ambient light to make the whole project flow but if I wasnt brave and pretty handy I would probably go with the spot light from each side idea altho I would drive myself bonkers trying to get it to look real even and contain the spill light

Jim before you decide what you would like to do on this its very important to take into consideration the clients budget. If the budget is real low your going to be using the spots. If they want something really dramatic its going to cost them. My guess is a couple of hours to grind that all out laying on your side with dust flying everywhere so bring your goggles and a resiprator.

Braphael
08-28-2009, 10:00 AM
I just came across this from Ushio. Silicone Flexible LED Strings with mounting channels. It supposedly has a 45 degree beamspread. Sounds nice. http://www.ushio.com/products/generallighting/led-pearl-lux.htm

JoeyD
08-28-2009, 10:11 AM
we have played with those little LED strips. They are very small and are pretty neat. But I would not use them in that step application. I dont see them being durable enough over time in a high traffic area. They would be more suited for smaller applications that are out of the wy of foot or vehicle traffic. They are cool though.

irrig8r
08-28-2009, 03:50 PM
I just came across this from Ushio. Silicone Flexible LED Strings with mounting channels. It supposedly has a 45 degree beamspread. Sounds nice. http://www.ushio.com/products/generallighting/led-pearl-lux.htm

The spec sheet says they are 12V DC.

http://www.ushio.com/files/specs/Pearl-Lux.pdf