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RABBITMAN11
09-01-2009, 10:58 PM
Ride on LS aerator, just got it tonight. Its going to get a real test with me. I have ten to do tomorrow! Thanks David for getting that to me tonight!

jbturf
09-02-2009, 07:40 AM
how about a 1st hand review?
youve been using a z plugger also, correct?

g/l and hope you got lots of aerating lined up!

RABBITMAN11
09-02-2009, 07:01 PM
Yes I have used a Z plugger. The Z plugger is a great machine and very reliable, plus ton of attachents.

First of all I am very impressed with the Lawn solutions aerator.


Very Fast,

Awesome plugs

So far I love it!

Did 11 aerations today.

This is a machine for the guys who really wants to do volume.

I'm going to do around 150 aerations with it this year so hopefully it will handle my workload.

RABBITMAN11
09-02-2009, 07:05 PM
picture of plugs in dry yard

RABBITMAN11
09-02-2009, 07:06 PM
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rcreech
09-02-2009, 08:59 PM
Nice Rabbit!

Are you the first one to get one of these in your state? :)

Give me a call tomorrow on one of your breaks (ha ha) if you get a chance and fill me in on this bad machine.

I am still thinking about it!!!!!!

grassman177
09-02-2009, 09:02 PM
i really want a ride on aerator but the dad wont get one, he does not like any of them for the price?!?! so we have three hand aerators and a tractor mounted one. it gets alot done but i cant imagine a ride on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jealous, hey rabbit---interested in selling your zplug?

RABBITMAN11
09-02-2009, 10:02 PM
I do believe right now I am the first in the state! David told me One other company will get one here! Grassman sorry but already sold the zplugger.
The z plugger is a work horse. If anyone can break a machine it is me. I used the zplugger for 3 years. I love new equipment and had to give the Lawn solution aerator a try. The machine is very well built. I cant wait to use it tomorrow. I love aerating next to a guy with a walking aerator on another yard. They just stop and watch me as I finish 3 to four times faster than them.
I can't imagine doing aerations with a walking aerator. I am going to do a 7 acre property with it next week i will let you guys know how fast I get it done.
David said it will do 2 acres a hour.

Service 1st Lawn Care
09-02-2009, 11:17 PM
What is the aerating width? and what is the cost of the machine? looks impressive.

Ric3077
09-02-2009, 11:37 PM
Cost is about $8500, over $9,000 after tax

RABBITMAN11
09-03-2009, 07:27 AM
Actually its $7800 and the width is between 28-30 inches

RABBITMAN11
09-03-2009, 01:47 PM
New Pics..............

RABBITMAN11
09-03-2009, 01:50 PM
Nothing like riding wheelies while aerating, By the way 4 inch plugs easy on moist yard.

fl-landscapes
09-03-2009, 04:26 PM
how close can you pull plugs next to obstacles like walks and curbing. I know with some ride on models there is some need for a smaller unit to get into tight spots. This looks like it can get pretty close. Whats your take so far? Thanks

RABBITMAN11
09-03-2009, 05:04 PM
I can go right up to the concrete around the house about 8 inches away. It gets close enough in tight areas. Any ride on is the way to go. I have never used a walking aerator and never plan on it either.

Service 1st Lawn Care
09-03-2009, 05:29 PM
What motor is on the unit Size and Co.

RABBITMAN11
09-03-2009, 05:45 PM
What motor is on the unit Size and Co.

13.5 Subaru
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americanlawn
09-03-2009, 06:50 PM
Congrats RABBITMAN11 - IMO it's the best ride-on aerator on the market. I liked your pic doing a "wheely" -- David did the same thing when he showed it to us on my home lawn in Des Moines last month. He was also pulling out very nice plugs even thought the soil was dry.

RABBIT - You'll have the machine paid off before you're even done with fall aerations. Then it should last for years.
Regarding Suburu small engines....We've used the same Suburu engine (for filling water & liquid fert) for over five years. Runs just like a Honda. Never uses oil, and uses very little gasoline.

Please let me know how the LS ride-on aerator works out once you do more. Thanks much, Larry :usflag:

13.5 Subaru
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grassman177
09-03-2009, 07:35 PM
nice, i like it.

corey4671
09-03-2009, 08:00 PM
ok...I got to know...these 11 aerations in you did in one day...what sq footage are we talking about? 1/4 acre lots?

RABBITMAN11
09-03-2009, 08:09 PM
11 aerations where 1/2 acre to 3/4 plus, blanket sprays. I could easily do 20 plus with this machine. I also marked most of the Irrigation heads on these lawns. Started and 8 quit at three took a 45 min lunch break. I had a helper with me.

corey4671
09-03-2009, 08:51 PM
11 aerations where 1/2 acre to 3/4 plus, blanket sprays. I could easily do 20 plus with this machine. I also marked most of the Irrigation heads on these lawns. Started and 8 quit at three took a 45 min lunch break. I had a helper with me.

WOW!! Wish I had somewhere around here I could rent one of those!! HINT HINT!!!

LawnSolutionsCP
09-05-2009, 09:47 AM
There are some large rental houses purchasing them for this fall. They should rent around $200 - $250 per day which is a deal since you can bring in $2,000 - $3,000 in a day without breaking a sweat with one of these.

You just need the jobs to keep it busy and it takes a lot to keep one busy for a day.

Contact the largest (commercial) rental store in your area and ask them to purchase one....most likely they will. They are always looking for something that will bring in commercial contractors and this aerator will definitely do that.

David

Ric3077
09-05-2009, 11:41 AM
Any rental shops in ST. LOUIS going to be buying one that you know of?

LawnSolutionsCP
09-05-2009, 01:34 PM
Not yet, we are only building 20 of them this fall and selling 15. We are keeping some for the EXPO and some for key customers to field test.

We haven't pushed the ride-on yet....

EVM
09-05-2009, 09:44 PM
which is a deal since you can bring in $2,000 - $3,000 in a day without breaking a sweat with one of these.



David


:laugh::laugh:

grassman177
09-06-2009, 10:54 AM
i would love to demo one for you guys and also promo it to reantal yards at the same time!!!!!!!!? any ideas there from you?!?!?!:)

LawnSolutionsCP
09-06-2009, 11:55 AM
Possibly after we get all our current orders built and shipped.
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grassman177
09-06-2009, 07:27 PM
that would be cool, real cool. i think it would TAKE a demo like that for a few to get my dad to think differently about spending the money on a ride on aerator, serioulsy!

after that i think he would really be about it. i know he is going to the show in loiusville and can see it there, but would be too late by that point and that is just riding around in a small area, not real world.

RABBITMAN11
09-06-2009, 09:45 PM
Grassman a ride on aerator is the way to go. You can do way more work without the effort.

grassman177
09-07-2009, 12:16 AM
i know, it is the convincing the man withthe money to part with so much after already upgrading and such toher vital areas of the business etc. that is why i want one of those demos i see some of you all getting as i know it will end in a sale and maybe more.

RABBITMAN11
09-07-2009, 07:37 AM
i know, it is the convincing the man withthe money to part with so much after already upgrading and such toher vital areas of the business etc. that is why i want one of those demos i see some of you all getting as i know it will end in a sale and maybe more.

I will say one thing it's the best money I have ever spent!
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EVM
09-07-2009, 03:54 PM
8k for a machine that sits around 10 months of the year?

LawnSolutionsCP
09-07-2009, 05:02 PM
If your not doing 150-200 aerators per year, our ride-on aerator doesn't make sense, but if your doing $100k+ in aerators a year it is a no brainer. We have customers who will do $150k - $200k with just 1 of our aerators, 1 guy, and 1 truck in 8 weeks of use this fall.

If you can do 20-30 per day with 1 person instead of 8-12 back breaking aerations it is one of the largest money makers in the industry. Your only expense is fuel once you have paid off the aerator.

Josh.S
09-07-2009, 06:21 PM
Your only expense is fuel once you have paid off the aerator.


I have to give you a hard time about this comment David.. I hope your joking actually. I'm sure that you know just because you don't have material cost doesn't mean you don't have overhead. Obviously there is a slew of fixed and variable expenses. Gas is the smallest of these. :laugh:

LawnSolutionsCP
09-07-2009, 06:36 PM
I have to give you a hard time about this comment David.. I hope your joking actually. I'm sure that you know just because you don't have material cost doesn't mean you don't have overhead. Obviously there is a slew of fixed and variable expenses. Gas is the smallest of these. :laugh:

OK, as compaired to materials like seed, fert, herbicides, etc...fuel is your only direct expense.


Over head is an indirect expense and pretty much fixed if you have full time employees. If your cutting grass at $50-60 / hr or operating our ride-on at $500 / hr your VLOH is still pretty much the same.


Thanks for correcting me which is needed on this site from time.

EVM
09-07-2009, 09:03 PM
Well 150K is a lot of money for aeration but I don't ever see myself making 150K for aeration services. This aint chem lawn over here.

LawnSolutionsCP
09-07-2009, 09:11 PM
Maybe not, but wouldn't it be nice to rent one for 1-2 days a year.

RABBITMAN11
09-10-2009, 05:33 PM
Maybe not, but wouldn't it be nice to rent one for 1-2 days a year.

Well 25 aeration under my belt with new machine. Seems to be holding up strong, tackled some serious hills today will be posting pics soon. By the way the z spray tackles these hills as well.
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Service 1st Lawn Care
09-10-2009, 05:54 PM
Will be good to get your follow up info on the machine, any of these properties have gates and if so how large does the gate have to be for this machine to get thru?

LawnSolutionsCP
09-10-2009, 05:59 PM
Will be good to get your follow up info on the machine, any of these properties have gates and if so how large does the gate have to be for this machine to get thru?

The machines is 47.5" wide. We did a lot of work to get it down below 48" so it will go through a standard 48" gate.

David

EVM
09-10-2009, 07:17 PM
I thought about the 150K thing. If you are making 150K with ONE machine, in two months, doing aeration, why would you do anything else for the other 10 months of the year?

You can't pull that kind of coin on aeration.

RABBITMAN11
09-10-2009, 07:37 PM
I thought about the 150K thing. If you are making 150K with ONE machine, in two months, doing aeration, why would you do anything else for the other 10 months of the year?

You can't pull that kind of coin on aeration.

You could do 60-70 if you had the customers
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LawnSolutionsCP
09-10-2009, 07:59 PM
$200 per aeration (average)
25 lawns a day (1/5-1/4 acre lawns)
5 days a week
Brings in $25k a week (average)

8 weeks = $200k - which seems like a lot, but to get this take a lot of advertising, marketing, etc.....if you want big numbers it take a plan and advertising. I personally like radio advertising and postcards, but it requires multiple crews or start early so you can plan routes cover you entire market.

There are branches, some very large LCOs, who are doing this every day. Of course it takes lots of customers, but...I see it done all the time.

Makes me want to take our own equipment and start franchising from what I have learned....but that would be even more work which might just put me over the edge.

David

fastcat
09-10-2009, 09:47 PM
who the hell is going to pay $200 for plugging a 1/4 acre property.

Joshuakwhit
09-10-2009, 10:06 PM
25.00 dollars per K, is what we charge. 1/4 ac. is 10.89 K comes to 272.00, all day. Unless I am incorrect about how much a 1/4 ac. is equals to.

TennisBum
09-10-2009, 10:26 PM
25.00 dollars per K, is what we charge. 1/4 ac. is 10.89 K comes to 272.00, all day. Unless I am incorrect about how much a 1/4 ac. is equals to.

I need customers like yours.

fastcat
09-10-2009, 10:54 PM
I need customers like yours.
for real around here people plug and seed 1/4 for 150 to 175

grassman177
09-11-2009, 05:02 AM
that is the range here as well, 150 or so, unless you are chemlawn. they are way overpriced. i have seen them charge someone almost 300 bucks for that. i guess if they can sell someone on that then great, but they usually dont return or at least do it every year where we get repeat customers at that pricing. we make good money and they are willing to pay. that is what matters. but i want a ride on next year, walking is for the newbies, we have done it long enough!!!!

turf hokie
09-11-2009, 06:11 AM
25.00 dollars per K, is what we charge. 1/4 ac. is 10.89 K comes to 272.00, all day. Unless I am incorrect about how much a 1/4 ac. is equals to.

Do you include seed at that price?? We are about the same but include seed. I wish I could get a bit more but it is tough.

fastcat
09-11-2009, 09:17 AM
What do you charge just to plug per k.
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Joshuakwhit
09-11-2009, 03:06 PM
Do you include seed at that price?? We are about the same but include seed. I wish I could get a bit more but it is tough.

We charge 25.00 per K for seed as well.

My avatar is misleading you all I know. I am an incognito Scotts employee.:cool2::waving:

fastcat
09-11-2009, 04:50 PM
Ah, So you have no moreals. :)
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Joshuakwhit
09-11-2009, 06:47 PM
Ah, So you have no moreals. :)
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No I have plenty. To take the operators licensing exam : turf program degree, 12 credit hrs in the above mentioned, 2 yrs. expierence under a licensced applicator.

Oct. 6th is my testing date. Thanks for asking through.:)

fastcat
09-11-2009, 07:46 PM
I was just giving u hell for the scotts comment
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Joshuakwhit
09-12-2009, 03:14 PM
I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, not my intenion, sarcastisim was. By the way, who on this site hasn't started through Scotts, or Tru- Green. Hey, that would be a good thread.

indyturf
09-12-2009, 07:35 PM
lots of us!

fastcat
09-12-2009, 09:19 PM
All the good applicators. Scotts and trugreen, chemlawn and the like brain wash you.
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rcreech
09-12-2009, 10:06 PM
Glad I didn't start under a big Co.

If so all I would be worrying about right now is screwing the customer and making money! :dizzy:

Not a great way to retain customers!

ted putnam
09-12-2009, 11:48 PM
All the good applicators. Scotts and trugreen, chemlawn and the like brain wash you.
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I got some damn good training from some very knowledgeable folks during my time with Chemlawn. I learned alot from them. I learned alot from upper management also. They showed me many things that I vowed I would not do if I ever owned my own business. Brainwashing...NO. Good education in the "Do's & Don't" of running your own business...YOU BET!!!

fl-landscapes
09-13-2009, 04:40 PM
I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, not my intenion, sarcastisim was. By the way, who on this site hasn't started through Scotts, or Tru- Green. Hey, that would be a good thread.

Hope it isn't a spelling test on Oct. 6th:laugh:

RABBITMAN11
09-13-2009, 09:21 PM
Hope it isn't a spelling test on Oct. 6th:laugh:

Who cares! Geez give him a break.
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Joshuakwhit
09-13-2009, 10:23 PM
Hope it isn't a spelling test on Oct. 6th:laugh:

Yeah, my wife wanted me to change it, but I have pride issues.:hammerhead:

fl-landscapes
09-14-2009, 02:52 PM
Who cares! Geez give him a break.
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I was joking rabbit!! Why dont you give me a break and stop being such a wet sock.

americanlawn
09-14-2009, 06:27 PM
The original ChemLawn Corporation was top notch.....the "pioneer" of lawn care. :usflag::canadaflag: Research stations, advanced R&D, nationally recognized experts who put programs in place -- (most with pHD's), regular training, clean equipment, state-of-the-art trucks, clean uniforms, etc, etc. Quality programs, customer service, etc was "job one". I started with them in the late 70's, but I was smart enough to quit before the Duke family sold out all interests. It went downhill from there. Seems nowadays, markets are so competitive that quality sometimes suffers.

I got some damn good training from some very knowledgeable folks during my time with Chemlawn. I learned alot from them. I learned alot from upper management also. They showed me many things that I vowed I would not do if I ever owned my own business. Brainwashing...NO. Good education in the "Do's & Don't" of running your own business...YOU BET!!!

turfsurfer
09-20-2009, 07:54 AM
If I could sell aerations for $25 per K that is ALL I WOULD DO! There are already tons of signs in my area pushing a 1/2 acre aeration for $60.00. You can promote your quality of work all day and you won't make up THAT difference.

RABBITMAN11
09-20-2009, 08:11 AM
Thats crazy, you can't even rent a aerator for that!

LawnSolutionsCP
09-20-2009, 09:46 AM
If I could sell aerations for $25 per K that is ALL I WOULD DO! There are already tons of signs in my area pushing a 1/2 acre aeration for $60.00. You can promote your quality of work all day and you won't make up THAT difference.

Actually, if you advertise correctly, and can guarantee a 3"-4" plug, you can get $25 / 1000 all day long.

A lot of customers are tired of getting screwed when someone "aerates" a lawn and then they go out and see only a few plugs and they are 3/4" - 1" long at best. This type of service is very short term.

If you advertising with a true commerical piece of equipment, and this can be any ride-on aerator instead of a "rental" walk-behind....people will pay for the quality. You would be amazed what a good post card showing your equipment and poeple in action on a nice lawn pulling huge plugs can do....

I'm still getting calls for seeding and aerating from 3 years ago when I closed my old lawn care company to start making equipment. People who went with someone else then are now coming back to get resutls....and they come back year after year.

Low prices with cheep equipment are short term. Use quality equipment and do a great job and you will continue to grow your buisness year after year.

David

grassman177
09-20-2009, 03:54 PM
well said dav id, hey you gonna get me that demo!@?!?!?!?

RABBITMAN11
09-20-2009, 04:05 PM
Need help posting video. Not sure how to post video

a plus bob
09-20-2009, 04:15 PM
Rabbit you pulling good plugs on non-irrigated lawns ?

chris@perfectlawncare
09-20-2009, 04:42 PM
25.00 dollars per K, is what we charge. 1/4 ac. is 10.89 K comes to 272.00, all day. Unless I am incorrect about how much a 1/4 ac. is equals to.

I charge 20 per 1,000 with overseed and 17 per 1,000 without overseed... people love it!

chris@perfectlawncare
09-20-2009, 04:44 PM
If I could sell aerations for $25 per K that is ALL I WOULD DO! There are already tons of signs in my area pushing a 1/2 acre aeration for $60.00. You can promote your quality of work all day and you won't make up THAT difference.

You're selling a service - you just have to prove to them that your service is superior!

RABBITMAN11
09-20-2009, 04:45 PM
Not doing them unless i can plug them right! Its really dried out this week so we need the rain Hopefully it comes like they say it will. On a really dry yards it will pull 1 to 1/2 inch plugs.

chris@perfectlawncare
09-20-2009, 04:48 PM
Not doing them unless i can plug them right! Its really dried out this week so we need the rain Hopefully it comes like they say it will. On a really dry yards it will pull 1 to 1/2 inch plugs.

I have spoken to a couple of friends in the industry about this... you have to tell your customer the day before to give their lawn a good soaking that night. So far, I've had no problems.

grass4gas
09-20-2009, 07:52 PM
25.00 dollars per K, is what we charge. 1/4 ac. is 10.89 K comes to 272.00, all day. Unless I am incorrect about how much a 1/4 ac. is equals to.

A 1/4 acre is 11,000 square feet X $10.89 = $119.79. You would have to aerate 25,000 square feet to get your $272.00.

You may want to check your fiqures.

turf hokie
09-20-2009, 08:07 PM
A 1/4 acre is 11,000 square feet X $10.89 = $119.79. You would have to aerate 25,000 square feet to get your $272.00.

You may want to check your fiqures.

His math is right. 10.89 k is not dollars, but 10,890 sq ft (k) x $25.00 per thousand is $272.25

turfsurfer
09-24-2009, 09:42 PM
Actually, if you advertise correctly, and can guarantee a 3"-4" plug, you can get $25 / 1000 all day long.

David, not meaning to be argumentive. I own your seeder and have seen your aerator and I know you make quality equipment. However I will make you the offer that if you can show me how to get $25 per K all day long (I'm talking at least 6k and up lawns) and I can actually get at least 150 of these for next season, then I promise now before god and lawnsite that I will buy at least 1 if not 2 of your aerators. I use a Z-Plug now and aerate the snot out of my lawns to beat the $60 per 1/2 acre guys and I'm lucky to get $10 per k. Anything over 10k and you start to fall off the $10 per k. Most people I show the number of plugs to just shrug their shoulders, They don't care! Yes I know there is the occasional person who will pay top dollar. I'd appreciate learning how to get 200-300 of these folks.
BTW, I personally have not seen the machine where I can guarantee 3-4" plugs let alone under less than ideal conditions. I hope you make it, I will buy it (provided I can get $25 per k for it).

LawnSolutionsCP
09-25-2009, 04:46 AM
David, not meaning to be argumentive. I own your seeder and have seen your aerator and I know you make quality equipment. However I will make you the offer that if you can show me how to get $25 per K all day long (I'm talking at least 6k and up lawns) and I can actually get at least 150 of these for next season, then I promise now before god and lawnsite that I will buy at least 1 if not 2 of your aerators. I use a Z-Plug now and aerate the snot out of my lawns to beat the $60 per 1/2 acre guys and I'm lucky to get $10 per k. Anything over 10k and you start to fall off the $10 per k. Most people I show the number of plugs to just shrug their shoulders, They don't care! Yes I know there is the occasional person who will pay top dollar. I'd appreciate learning how to get 200-300 of these folks.
BTW, I personally have not seen the machine where I can guarantee 3-4" plugs let alone under less than ideal conditions. I hope you make it, I will buy it (provided I can get $25 per k for it).


Of course I can't guarantee you a certain income...I can just let you know what most of our customers are doing today. It also depends on your market...

Advertising and selling quality is obviously most important.

Once you go over 8,000 sqft you are going to start dropping you prices just like mowing, weed control, etc... There is no magic formula for pricing. Just like doing lawn renovation...a lot of companies charge 120-160 / 1000 sqft....but this is on smaller lawns and depends on your market. When you go up over 1/2 acre the price drops considerably.

David

brucec32
10-01-2009, 11:00 AM
Neat tool. For high volume companies I bet it is a real money maker. My concern would be the prospect of being left with an unsupported dinosaur should the manufacturer fold. It's one thing to have a simple $2500 bolt on tool that has no support, quite another for a $9,000 one.
Is this an established company with other product lines?
The good thing is if one has the customers for it you can use it to pay for itself so quickly that the risk is minimized.

Tis a shame nobody's come out with a reliable, effective, durable, well-backed product that uses the engine and drive system of a ZTR , stander, or hydro walk behind you've already paid for and have in the fleet. Until then I suppose tow behind units will fill the void.

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
10-01-2009, 05:36 PM
David, not meaning to be argumentive. I own your seeder and have seen your aerator and I know you make quality equipment. However I will make you the offer that if you can show me how to get $25 per K all day long (I'm talking at least 6k and up lawns) and I can actually get at least 150 of these for next season, then I promise now before god and lawnsite that I will buy at least 1 if not 2 of your aerators. I use a Z-Plug now and aerate the snot out of my lawns to beat the $60 per 1/2 acre guys and I'm lucky to get $10 per k. Anything over 10k and you start to fall off the $10 per k. Most people I show the number of plugs to just shrug their shoulders, They don't care! Yes I know there is the occasional person who will pay top dollar. I'd appreciate learning how to get 200-300 of these folks.
BTW, I personally have not seen the machine where I can guarantee 3-4" plugs let alone under less than ideal conditions. I hope you make it, I will buy it (provided I can get $25 per k for it).

I agree totally! If most people on here would be honest about their pricing, I think you would see that is the case with most. Sure, I can get $25/k, but that's on a 3k lawn-which I wouldn't need a ride on for:hammerhead:

I too run a Z-Plug & this machine looks interesting, but as far as getting those type of numbers out of aerations-doubtfull, unless you have a pushy salesman that makes some sales that people regret signing to later on...And that is the first & last time you get to aerate their lawn....

That being said-David, put me down for that as well....You guarantee I can hit those numbers, I'll buy 1or2 as well

DoetschOutdoor
10-01-2009, 07:20 PM
Looks like a nice machine but hell, I did 11 yesterday(aerate,overseed, fert.) before 3.5 hours of marketing class and my rental bill was around $100...but dam it would be sweet if my rental place would pick one of them up.

Plug It Lawn Aeration
10-01-2009, 08:34 PM
I'm not sure about the pricing, but from my short time in lawn aerations a common theme seems to exist. "Customer Satisfaction/Quality" People who have used the big name companies seem to be as equally dissatisfied with the quality of the job performed. With that said, if you slowly raise your prices over the next few years, (on new customers) you can probably get closer to that higher price David mentions. Make sure you arrive the day you told the customer (especially if they have an irrigation system. They don't want to flag the heads more than once) and don't make it a race while your on the lawn. The customers watch you work from inside their house. If you appear to take just a little more time (just a few more minutes) and are conscientious they notice. (word of mouth works wonders)

David, as far as the Lawn Solutions ride on machine, I'm very interested in purchasing a machine early next year. Your comment about building 15-20 has me worried about availability. Also, how long of a core can I expect to pull in this hard as a rock Indiana clay? If I can pull a respectable core in dry conditions, I would be able to get out of telling the customer to water the lawn the night before and would make scheduling jobs a bit easier. I would like to demo the unit sometime when you are up this way at the tool shop, but if we get the rain in the forecast this weekend, the ground will be softer and probably stay that way the rest of the fall.

sprayguy
12-07-2009, 06:20 AM
Of course I can't guarantee you a certain income...I can just let you know what most of our customers are doing today. It also depends on your market...

Advertising and selling quality is obviously most important.

Once you go over 8,000 sqft you are going to start dropping you prices just like mowing, weed control, etc... There is no magic formula for pricing. Just like doing lawn renovation...a lot of companies charge 120-160 / 1000 sqft....but this is on smaller lawns and depends on your market. When you go up over 1/2 acre the price drops considerably.

David
David, I am interested in more info about your ride on aerator machine. Availability, renting, service after the sale. Impressive video. I will be calling you today to find out more information. Thanks in advance.

LawnSolutionsCP
12-12-2009, 09:16 AM
We expect to build 50-75 of our ride-on units in 2010. Lead times will be around 3-4 weeks so don't wait until the week before you need it to place an order.

We stock ~100 of our walk-behind units but only keep 10-15 finished ride-on on the floor and they normally go in bunches. We had one customer who had 1 last fall and placed an order for 5 more this spring (1 location). I was amazed.

We only built 15 in 2009 as a controlled field test to make sure they worked exactly as planned in the event we wanted to make some changes.....everything worked as planned and the only changes we are making are internal to make them quicker & easier to assemble.

grassman177
12-12-2009, 12:08 PM
what ever happened to your spreader sprayer?? there was a thread started on here by you that i revived from over a year ago and then it was erased. what is up with that?

LawnSolutionsCP
12-12-2009, 12:33 PM
It is still around, currently working on a new one.
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Barefoot James
12-12-2009, 01:57 PM
Neat tool. For high volume companies I bet it is a real money maker. My concern would be the prospect of being left with an unsupported dinosaur should the manufacturer fold. It's one thing to have a simple $2500 bolt on tool that has no support, quite another for a $9,000 one.
Is this an established company with other product lines?
The good thing is if one has the customers for it you can use it to pay for itself so quickly that the risk is minimized.

Tis a shame nobody's come out with a reliable, effective, durable, well-backed product that uses the engine and drive system of a ZTR , stander, or hydro walk behind you've already paid for and have in the fleet. Until then I suppose tow behind units will fill the void.
Over 4000 posts and you don't know who Lawn Solutions are ;):hammerhead:

You drive a Chevy (so do I) who owns them now? - Obama. Tow behinds filling the void? What's a tractor and pull behind cost (NEW)? The unit David is talking about is a stander/hydro/ZTR aerator! I'd say that pretty much fills your void - for less than your suggestion? They have all kinds of products, sizes, etc - with a pipeline of many more better made, innovative products coming down the pike - worst case would be they get bought out by Obama (David would smile all the way to the bankpayuppayup) and the government would drive it into the ground. As far as a $2500 tool or a $9000 one - I want support if I pay anything. LS gives it that's why they are able to support this site and making all of us who use their products more money in less time. I have made over 100K in the past three years from a $3500 machine. Anymore unfounded statements?

Barefoot James
12-12-2009, 02:14 PM
I agree totally! If most people on here would be honest about their pricing, I think you would see that is the case with most. Sure, I can get $25/k, but that's on a 3k lawn-which I wouldn't need a ride on for:hammerhead:

I too run a Z-Plug & this machine looks interesting, but as far as getting those type of numbers out of aerations-doubtfull, unless you have a pushy salesman that makes some sales that people regret signing to later on...And that is the first & last time you get to aerate their lawn....

That being said-David, put me down for that as well....You guarantee I can hit those numbers, I'll buy 1or2 as well
I will guarantee you never will hit those numbers because you have already defeated yourself in your own mind. Think "can do" and you will improve your bottom line. Reread this thread and you will find quite a few who say it can be done. If they can do it and you can't then you have to look at the source:confused:. I don't mean to be mean but I'm using this as a teaching moment. You can learn lots from those that do - ask them how they do it and then try it. You may find more money and time. I have learned that I spend 80% of my time (mowing) making 30% of my money - this makes me feel like a :hammerhead:. The good thing is I have learned something and have taken steps to correct it. This past year I made 10K more and worked 200 hours less. My goal in 2010 is to work less and make more - how? Learn and find your niche. YOUR niche (based on just a guess here) would be to use better advertising tools (4x6 full color two sided cards for under 5 cents apiece from nextdayflyers.com or overnightprints.com), work higher end neighborhoods and get some Lawn Solution products.
BTW the CATS just kicked your arse LOL

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
12-12-2009, 03:31 PM
I will guarantee you never will hit those numbers because you have already defeated yourself in your own mind. Think "can do" and you will improve your bottom line. Reread this thread and you will find quite a few who say it can be done. If they can do it and you can't then you have to look at the source:confused:. I don't mean to be mean but I'm using this as a teaching moment. You can learn lots from those that do - ask them how they do it and then try it. You may find more money and time. I have learned that I spend 80% of my time (mowing) making 30% of my money - this makes me feel like a :hammerhead:. The good thing is I have learned something and have taken steps to correct it. This past year I made 10K more and worked 200 hours less. My goal in 2010 is to work less and make more - how? Learn and find your niche. YOUR niche (based on just a guess here) would be to use better advertising tools (4x6 full color two sided cards for under 5 cents apiece from nextdayflyers.com or overnightprints.com), work higher end neighborhoods and get some Lawn Solution products.
BTW the CATS just kicked your arse LOL

Oh, you have no idea.... Full color post cards, full color brochures, direct mail, flyers, door hangers, newspaper, internet, adwords, truck signage, yard signs, referral bonuses-I've done/do them all. Aeration does not sell around here for $25/k-period. (unless your talking 3k properties & we just don't have many nice 3k lawns around here...most are 17k+) Aeration is a tuff sell, because you need to gain peoples attention for a while, since many have no idea about the benefits of it, or even what it is... It's mighty expensive to have to educate people on something before you can sell it to them) If I had 8,000 of existing customer base to pull from, it would be a much different story:rolleyes:

I've always had a can do attitude, but there are many people who have blown everything they have with their "can-do attitude" Don't beleive everything you read on the internet:)

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
12-12-2009, 03:33 PM
work higher end neighborhoods and get some Lawn Solution products.


I've got a Z-Plug now, equipment isn't the problem. That may not be as productive, but it is hard to keep it busy even for a few months out of the year:usflag:

LIBERTYLANDSCAPING
12-12-2009, 03:43 PM
BTW the CATS just kicked your arse LOL

:confused: I have NO idea what you are referring to???:confused:

Barefoot James
12-12-2009, 04:57 PM
Sorry I thought if your are from IN or KY you were a basketball fan. the game was this afternoon and I was watching while looking at the site. Watching Army vs Navy football now - Go USA.

Yes I agree with many on this site (especially internet) that "over everything x 2". Personally I'm not a big aeration guy and don't do a ton but I am a big seeding - organic amendment guy and have learned education with customers is huge. I also will be doing more aeration down the road because of discussions I have had with folks that know it more than me. I just got off the phone with someone making over 150K a year doing 150 to 200 jobs a year @ $100 per 1K doing aeration/top dressings. Sooooo.... Again it gets back to learning and tailoring your presentations to folks with the correct info and producing results - all I really care about anyway is results.

My buddy in town charges $175 per 1000 to seed (my competition) I charge significantly less - so I raised my prices - we compete against folks charging $35 to $50 per 1000. Yet we are BOTH growing this end of our business big time - HOW - we get results - every time and we know why! The guys at 35/50 get results sometimes too and don't know why and when they figure out why they charge more - or they don't stay in business or grow. Knowledge, education, learning, communication = results. Results are what matter, when you get them - every time and you know why you grow, prosper and make more, working less. Even though a customer pays more they are getting value because they get what they want and are sick of hit and miss. This is why Scotts and True Green lose 45% - hit and miss companies - we lose 5% to 10% - cause I cost to much - :laugh::laugh: seriously - usually because it looks great (now) and they figure they can do it them selves LOL when I come back it cost them even more - cause I learned a new trick!

PM me and we can exchange #'s and I would love to talk with you about business and maybe we can both learn. You are obviously a sharp hardworking person who is doing well in this business and we both have good practices.

grassman177
12-12-2009, 10:53 PM
have you unveiled the spreade rsprayer yet, the one i read about was su pposed to be in production for 2009 and 2010. i am pretty sure we have not seen it, and of course we want to. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LawnSolutionsCP
12-13-2009, 08:38 AM
have you unveiled the spreade rsprayer yet, the one i read about was su pposed to be in production for 2009 and 2010. i am pretty sure we have not seen it, and of course we want to. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


We built 3 in 2008 but is wasn't impressive enough. It works pretty much like the majority of the othe applicators on the market so we only built 3 prototypes and started working on aerators....well the aerators are mostly done so we started working on top dressers and applicators this summer.

We should have top dressers to field test this spring and applicators for fall. If you need a machine this spring, but what you currently feel is the best for your needs. When our machine is launched it will be worth look at.

grassman177
12-13-2009, 11:16 AM
thanks for the info and glad to hear you put as much research and delvelopment into the sprayer as you have the aerators. i know we are very impressed with the ride one aerator. i want to get one but the bossdad really hates the price, not to mention a big increase over last year. you can pm me if you want, but what is your best price for one of those ride ons?? thanks and good luck with your designs