What do you think of this?

[talus]

I've seen these on trucks and ATV's but never realized or thought of this aplication.I'm sure it's not cheap for the set up either. I think I read the ground pressure was under 2 psi. How well do you think it would work?

[Junior M]

that'd be awesome for the gas companies to have for there steep hills and muddy ROW..

[P.Services]

or you could just get a ctl. :hammerhead:

name one thing that can do better? what a ******ed idea.

[Junior M]

or you could just get a ctl. :hammerhead:

name one thing that can do better? what a ******ed idea.
Umm, for one it could pull a 6ft bush hog, compared to a CTL, which equals more effeicency and alot faster.. :hammerhead:

[P.Services]

and then you can move at a snails pace because it doesn't have the hp to cut anything more then long grass with the morning dew on it. you really think that toy will be more efficient and faster then a 322 or 332 with a mower on it? paaalease. how wide is a bradco mower 5ft 6ft?

[WillieWonka1850]

or you could just get a ctl. :hammerhead:

name one thing that can do better? what a ******ed idea.
Um, you'd have the versatility and capabilities of a Tractor but the traction of a CTL.
If you needed a machine with tracks but you had a tractor you wouldn't have to buy a expensive full size CTL, you could just buy this for your tractor and your good.

Anyway thats pretty neat. Who makes them, Loegering?

[Junior M]

and then you can move at a snails pace because it doesn't have the hp to cut anything more then long grass with the morning dew on it. you really think that toy will be more efficient and faster then a 322 or 332 with a mower on it? paaalease. how wide is a bradco mower 5ft 6ft?
Hell yeah it'll be more effiecent! 6ft at the biggest, thats what Minimax's flail mower is. If you got a big enough tractor you would really roll it out with an 8ft bush hog..

And for an open area like a ROW that was some what wet and sticky but then had a long field like area, a tractor set up like this would be way more effiecent..

And what kind of tractor are you running that wouldnt cut wet grass? It wouldnt surprise me if you were trying to mow 4ft tall grass with a finish mower and thought it was a bush hog..
Thats the most assinine statement I've ever read.

[P.Services]

well if its so great maybe you need to retract your statment of "we go where your tractor cant" because according to you that tractor can go anywhere and do a better job.

That tractor is a TOY, some yuppie who is going to use it on his little hobby farm to clean the horse stalls will buy it. Now put those tracks on a 100hp tractor and you may get some where that would interest a real worker. of wait case all ready does that.

and willie before i argue with you have you ever even drove a truck with a Detroit diesel in it? have you ever bought parts for one? have you ever looked at the resale for a tractor with a dd in it as oposed to a cummins or cat?

willie left his girl to go fish..... junior left his girl to go hunt...... and im in bed with the both of them :)

[Junior M]

well if its so great maybe you need to retract your statment of "we go where your tractor cant" because according to you that tractor can go anywhere and do a better job.

That tractor is a TOY, some yuppie who is going to use it on his little hobby farm to clean the horse stalls will buy it. Now put those tracks on a 100hp tractor and you may get some where that would interest a real worker. of wait case all ready does that.

and willie before i argue with you have you ever even drove a truck with a Detroit diesel in it? have you ever bought parts for one? have you ever looked at the resale for a tractor with a dd in it as oposed to a cummins or cat?

willie left his girl to go fish..... junior left his girl to go hunt...... and im in bed with the both of them :)

That statement is true because most homeowners are to pussy or stupid to go up a steep hillside with there equipment. And they dont have the right type of equipment(hint hint, just a tractor)

Also, if you would've read I basically said put it on a bigger tractor and it'd be great, it'd be practically useless for any decent mowing on that tractor..

And Case does what? the STX or whatever it is? Oh yeah, I can move that around with a 450 and a 10ton.. :rolleyes:

To bad for you picasso but my girl loves to hunt.. :cool2:

[talus]

Um, you'd have the versatility and capabilities of a Tractor but the traction of a CTL.
If you needed a machine with tracks but you had a tractor you wouldn't have to buy a expensive full size CTL, you could just buy this for your tractor and your good.

Anyway thats pretty neat. Who makes them, Loegering?

mattracks.com. They have some cool vids on there also.

[P.Services]

doesn't school start for you two tomorrow? its past your bed time. did mommy lay out tomorrows outfit on the foot of your bed?

[GWhunter]

Talus, I'm suprized being a New Englander you haven't seen these in use. There super popular up north if here in snow country. All the snowmobile clubs put these on there tractors for trail grooming. From what I've heard they're just about unstoppable in deep snow. I'll snap some pics this winter when I'm up there ice fishing.

Matt

[Junior M]

doesn't school start for you two tomorrow? its past your bed time. did mommy lay out tomorrows outfit on the foot of your bed?
I been in school buddy, 3 hours of classes. Rest of the time in Diesel Mechanics.. :cool2:

And when you can pass the fourth grade english, you can talk...

[Krafty]

Talus, I'm suprized being a New Englander you haven't seen these in use. There super popular up north if here in snow country. All the snowmobile clubs put these on there tractors for trail grooming. From what I've heard they're just about unstoppable in deep snow. I'll snap some pics this winter when I'm up there ice fishing.

Matt

I saw a set once that someone put on a fourwheeler. Now that thing looked about unstoppable.

[Scag48]

That tractor is probably pushing $30K with tires, those MatTracks are probably $10K. So, for a cool $40K, you can have that 40 horse gutless wonder that would push a 5 foot, at most, bush hog in tough conditions. How could that possibly be better than an 80+ horse CTL with a 6 foot cutting head? It wouldn't ever be. And I don't buy the "versatility" argument, tractors don't do anything more than what a skid steer can do, if anything they do less.

[talus]

Talus, I'm suprized being a New Englander you haven't seen these in use. There super popular up north if here in snow country. All the snowmobile clubs put these on there tractors for trail grooming. From what I've heard they're just about unstoppable in deep snow. I'll snap some pics this winter when I'm up there ice fishing.

Matt

I've seen them on a few ATV's and some trucks in magazines. I'm not a snow guy. The older I get the more I hate it. Although to be fair I still giggle like a schoolgirl pushing snow in the ASV. I build a giant snow ramp for my neighbors son to sled down. Then I go home and curse the snow as I'm washing it out of my tracks.(Yes I know I have OCD abouth this) If they really only have under 2 psi one would think they would be unstoppable. I bet they would work great towing a beachcleaner.

[P.Services]

That tractor is probably pushing $30K with tires, those MatTracks are probably $10K. So, for a cool $40K, you can have that 40 horse gutless wonder that would push a 5 foot, at most, bush hog in tough conditions. How could that possibly be better than an 80+ horse CTL with a 7 foot cutting head? It wouldn't ever be. And I don't buy the "versatility" argument, tractors don't do anything more than what a skid steer can do, if anything they do less.

and the reinforcements arrive! haha. yeah thats what im thinking just to exhausted to type it all out.

[Junior M]

That tractor is probably pushing $30K with tires, those MatTracks are probably $10K. So, for a cool $40K, you can have that 40 horse gutless wonder that would push a 5 foot, at most, bush hog in tough conditions. How could that possibly be better than an 80+ horse CTL with a 6 foot cutting head? It wouldn't ever be. And I don't buy the "versatility" argument, tractors don't do anything more than what a skid steer can do, if anything they do less.
I said on a larger tractor with an 8ft bush hog.. Yes it'd be more effiencent..


Hell yeah it'll be more effiecent! 6ft at the biggest, thats what Minimax's flail mower is. If you got a big enough tractor you would really roll it out with an 8ft bush hog..so in so many words I just said, a large enough tractor setup similar pulling an 8ft bush hog would be more effiecent in an open enviroment like a ROW

And for an open area like a ROW that was some what wet and sticky but then had a long field like area, a tractor set up like this would be way more effiecent..

And what kind of tractor are you running that wouldnt cut wet grass? It wouldnt surprise me if you were trying to mow 4ft tall grass with a finish mower and thought it was a bush hog..
Thats the most assinine statement I've ever read.

[Junior M]

and the reinforcements arrive! haha. yeah thats what im thinking just to exhausted to type it all out.
Its not that your exhausted, its that you dont have that many words in your vocabulary..

:laugh: :laugh: :laughing:

[P.Services]

i can think of two words for you

[Scag48]

It would only make sense on a 200HP tractor when you can run a 16 foot batwing mower. Then again, I don't think MatTracks makes tracks for that size of tractor, first off. Secondly, you start getting up into that size of tractor and the benefits of tracks may null themselves out.

[talus]

They make them for up to 100hp tractors.

[Junior M]

It would only make sense on a 200HP tractor when you can run a 16 foot batwing mower. Then again, I don't think MatTracks makes tracks for that size of tractor, first off. Secondly, you start getting up into that size of tractor and the benefits of tracks may null themselves out.
Nope, but there is them STX things.. :cool2:

And you are probably right, I was just making a generalization, I've never seen a decent sized tractor set up like that.. But for the versatility you couldnt beat a skid, the effiecency would still be in the tractor imo. Unless it became to heavy for the track systems like you said Scag..

[talus]

Nope, but there is them STX things.. :cool2:

And you are probably right, I was just making a generalization, I've never seen a decent sized tractor set up like that.. But for the versatility you couldnt beat a skid, the effiecency would still be in the tractor imo. Unless it became to heavy for the track systems like you said Scag..

If Mattracks claims are true they have half the psi of most ctl's. I see that being the only advantage. Great for snow like GWhunter said or some very delicate enviormental needs

[WillieWonka1850]

well if its so great maybe you need to retract your statment of "we go where your tractor cant" because according to you that tractor can go anywhere and do a better job.

That tractor is a TOY, some yuppie who is going to use it on his little hobby farm to clean the horse stalls will buy it. Now put those tracks on a 100hp tractor and you may get some where that would interest a real worker. of wait case all ready does that.

and willie before i argue with you have you ever even drove a truck with a Detroit diesel in it? have you ever bought parts for one? have you ever looked at the resale for a tractor with a dd in it as oposed to a cummins or cat?

willie left his girl to go fish..... junior left his girl to go hunt...... and im in bed with the both of them :)
Seriously, why even bring up the DD?
But my cousin is a trucker and he had a Freighliner with a Detroit, loved it.
Also drove a Peterbilt with a CAT. Can't say the same about it.

Ah, ah, ah :nono:
Sorry Picasso but my girl loves to go Fishing with me :cool2:

[Scag48]

Nope, but there is them STX things.. :cool2:

And you are probably right, I was just making a generalization, I've never seen a decent sized tractor set up like that.. But for the versatility you couldnt beat a skid, the effiecency would still be in the tractor imo. Unless it became to heavy for the track systems like you said Scag..

The smallest STX is about 330 ponies, don't know what the thing weighs but it would be a monster. We have a Steiger Cougar at work that's running singles instead of full duals, I think it's right around 275 horses and it would be a real bear for mowing. High center of gravity isn't good for more or less unimproved areas.

Willie, seriously, why would you even try to argue about Detroit? Your cousin has one? That's so far from you actually being behind the pedal it's not even funny. And he'd prefer a Freightshaker with a Detroit to a Pete with a Cat? Something must be in the water up there.

[WillieWonka1850]

doesn't school start for you two tomorrow? its past your bed time. did mommy lay out tomorrows outfit on the foot of your bed?
What the hell is your problem?

I start school tomorrow and frankly, I don't give a s**t about what my mom says.

[P.Services]

well then why do you guys say ditch the bit ch and go fishing if you are talking her with you?

[GWhunter]

i can think of two words for you

Ha ha ha ha LMFAO!!!!

Matt

[WillieWonka1850]

I was saying that would be good for someone who already has a tractor that needed something with extra traction. Some who doesn't want to spend $40K+ for a CTL when they can just add tracks to their CUT for around $10K.

[WillieWonka1850]

well then why do you guys say ditch the bit ch and go fishing if you are talking her with you?
It's a fricken joke man! :nono:

[Bleed Green]

this is too funny guys. everybody is just nit picking things now. can we move on please?

[WillieWonka1850]

this is too funny guys. everybody is just nit picking things now. can we move on please?
Yeah seriously!

What have you done Talus!

[talus]

It's things like this that make me wish there was an equipment magazine that would rate and test things. Give an honest ansewer and pros and cons of their findings and such.

[talus]

Yeah seriously!

What have you done Talus!

I did find it somewhat amusing and had a few good laughs. I can't remember a thread getting so far off so quick. :laugh:

[WillieWonka1850]

Yeah, instead of having a verbal b**ch slap match.
Though sometimes it gives me a good laugh.

I just looked up Mat tracks, these things are pretty neat.
They have them for Trucks, SUVs and the like.

They also have Tracks for up to 100hp tractors.

[stuvecorp]

They had I think that same setup at Cranberry Field Days. The low psi is a big deal when you are dealing with swampy conditions. There was also talk of using that setup to drive down in the beds for harvest because of the low psi.

[JDSKIDSTEER]

It's things like this that make me wish there was an equipment magazine that would rate and test things. Give an honest ansewer and pros and cons of their findings and such.

As long as there is advertising money to be made, you would never get an honest review.

[Junior M]

The smallest STX is about 330 ponies, don't know what the thing weighs but it would be a monster. We have a Steiger Cougar at work that's running singles instead of full duals, I think it's right around 275 horses and it would be a real bear for mowing. High center of gravity isn't good for more or less unimproved areas.

Willie, seriously, why would you even try to argue about Detroit? Your cousin has one? That's so far from you actually being behind the pedal it's not even funny. And he'd prefer a Freightshaker with a Detroit to a Pete with a Cat? Something must be in the water up there.


I had no idea aboutu the STX, never had any experience with them.. Hell, I've never even seen one in person before..

Picasso, the ditch the bit ch thing, its a joke. I saw the sticker one day while out and about and decided to get it.. To bad its not somewhere you can see it.. Unless the tool box is open.. :laugh:

[Votum Gardens LLC]

This system is mainly used in wet field conditions such rice farming and snow trail grooming.

[Votum Gardens LLC]

That tractor is probably pushing $30K with tires, those MatTracks are probably $10K. So, for a cool $40K, you can have that 40 horse gutless wonder that would push a 5 foot, at most, bush hog in tough conditions. How could that possibly be better than an 80+ horse CTL with a 6 foot cutting head? It wouldn't ever be. And I don't buy the "versatility" argument, tractors don't do anything more than what a skid steer can do, if anything they do less.

Really? How much can a SSL or CTL pull? With a properly set up tractor I can harley rake and seed at the same time. Can you do that with a skid?

[Votum Gardens LLC]

It would only make sense on a 200HP tractor when you can run a 16 foot batwing mower. Then again, I don't think MatTracks makes tracks for that size of tractor, first off. Secondly, you start getting up into that size of tractor and the benefits of tracks may null themselves out.

Ok what are you cutting that you need 200 hp to run a 16' batwing? I run a 15' with a Case IH 5230 (90hp) and handle up to 3" saplings just fine.

[talus]

I think it is unfair to compare this machine to a large frame ctl. I had never seen this kind of set up on a tractor thats why I posted it. I would like to see a a similar sized tractor (weight and hp) to a full size ctl/mtl. Not saying it would out perform a ctl but would make it interesting. Again I bring up the magazine idea. As bleedgreen pointed out about the advertising money,they might not give honest ansewrs. I agree with that to a point, however the car,truck,ATV and bike mags do it and give honest or factual results. I really think this would help not only the compact equipment industry but also the big iron. Some of the mfg's have had lackluster performance in certain areas for too long IMO. I beleive if the mfg's were called out on their flaws so to speak that it would help not only the consumer but the mfg in the long run. I also realize with the economy the way it is nobodys gonna put up the $ for a mag like this and a ton of $ must go into the research and development for the mfg's to develop,make and produce ideas.

[stuvecorp]

:hammerhead:

A skid is not a tractor, they do different things. This tractor is 'specialized' for certain things, can we figure that out?

[WillieWonka1850]

I'd like to see a set of Mattracks on a Toolcat Utility Work Machine :weightlifter:
Now that would be sweet! :cool2: :drinkup:

[talus]

:hammerhead:

A skid is not a tractor, they do different things. This tractor is 'specialized' for certain things, can we figure that out?

I understand they are different. All I'm saying is I'd like to see the performance of one of these units compared to a skid or ctl. The ideal situation would be to have both I guess. The only thing my ASV doesn't do well is mow grass so when I saw this it got me thinking.

P S I beleive you gave me this :hammerhead:. I appreciate the offer but I don't want it. You keep it.

[stuvecorp]

I understand they are different. All I'm saying is I'd like to see the performance of one of these units compared to a skid or ctl. The ideal situation would be to have both I guess. The only thing my ASV doesn't do well is mow grass so when I saw this it got me thinking.

P S I beleive you gave me this :hammerhead:. I appreciate the offer but I don't want it. You keep it.

Sorry, wasn't for you. :usflag:

[talus]

:laugh: Ok I wasn't really offended anyway. I guess I should have just said I wanna see this thing in action.

[ksss]

P S I beleive you gave me this :hammerhead:. I appreciate the offer but I don't want it. You keep it.



Dam thats funny!:laugh:

[farmboy1285]

I dont know if Kubota offers tracks on their tractors or if what I saw was some of these tracks. I was driving by a kubota dealer and saw a mid sized tractor with a cab with these tracks on the rear, I had to do a double take I kinda sat there like WTF I have never seen that before. I wish those tracks weren't so expensive they really are a cool design/ Idea.

[Skidsteerman]

It's things like this that make me wish there was an equipment magazine that would rate and test things. Give an honest ansewer and pros and cons of their findings and such.

Honestly

The MFWD system on that tractor will puke it's guts out with less then 100 hours on it no doubt.

It would make more sense to just install dual rear wheels.

It might be OK in snow but WTF are you going to do with it in snow? Ain't going to push or pull anything in snow without ground pressure.

I say it's a attention getter for passerby's to rubber neck at and farmers to talk about at the morning dinner.

[talus]

Honestly

The MFWD system on that tractor will puke it's guts out with less then 100 hours on it no doubt.

It would make more sense to just install dual rear wheels.

It might be OK in snow but WTF are you going to do with it in snow? Ain't going to push or pull anything in snow without ground pressure.

I say it's a attention getter for passerby's to rubber neck at and farmers to talk about at the morning dinner.

How do you think the reliability would be on a utility size tractor? The dealer tells me they are built beefier than the compacts.
My ASV has low ground pressure and will really push an amazing amount of snow. Is there such a thing as too little psi?

[Skidsteerman]

How do you think the reliability would be on a utility size tractor? The dealer tells me they are built beefier than the compacts.
My ASV has low ground pressure and will really push an amazing amount of snow. Is there such a thing as too little psi?

Couldn't say on a utility size but I'd be seller and buyer beware about it. In other words check the MFG warranty to see if it voids it kind of like the VTS POS for sslders.

Low PSI on CTL's compared to sslders won't more snow nearly as well, too much spinage - loss of traction. Now Deere is (and I'm sure other brands also) or has released an optional "snow" track for CTL's to help provide better traction during snow removal applications. We probably won't order any down here due to the lack of snow volume we see through the winter months. Snow blades are kind of a tough sale - snow blower attachments :laugh: yea right, they'll sit and rust away here.

[1993lx172]

Pushing or pulling has very little to do with ground pressure. Its traction that is the key to pulling or pushing. What this unit has is increased traction with the ability to get through tough situations like mud or snow. The only "ground pressure" that matters is how much force the implement is applying to the surface.

[Skidsteerman]

Pushing or pulling has very little to do with ground pressure. Its traction that is the key to pulling or pushing. What this unit has is increased traction with the ability to get through tough situations like mud or snow. The only "ground pressure" that matters is how much force the implement is applying to the surface.

Ummm, it can get through tough situations not due to traction but flotation, staying up on top of soft mud and snow allowing it to move Vs a tired rig sinking down to get a bite on a solid surface.

[1993lx172]

I said "With the ability to get through tough conditions" the flotation factor is implied just not obviously stated. I meant to say flotation in the first part of the sentence, my mind was still on the traction vs ground pressure issue when I wrote that.:hammerhead:

[93turbo]

Ok any time you increase the foot print of your equipment you are decreasing ground pressure assuming the way you added the bigger foot print did not add so much weight to cancel it out. So the tractor weighs as much now as it did before assuming all things are equal so the total weight is the same with the tracks as it was with the tires except its spread out over a lot more ground giving you a bigger contact area with as much weight total as before which equals a lot more traction. So that tractor will out push another one with tires anyday assuming the tracks have a decent tread and not big smooth rounded flat pads

[DeereMan85]

Ok any time you increase the foot print of your equipment you are decreasing ground pressure assuming the way you added the bigger foot print did not add so much weight to cancel it out. So the tractor weighs as much now as it did before assuming all things are equal so the total weight is the same with the tracks as it was with the tires except its spread out over a lot more ground giving you a bigger contact area with as much weight total as before which equals a lot more traction. So that tractor will out push another one with tires anyday assuming the tracks have a decent tread and not big smooth rounded flat pads

Wrong. Think about it this way: people put sand bags in the back of pickups to improve traction in ice and snow.

[bobcat_ron]

Ok any time you increase the foot print of your equipment you are decreasing ground pressure assuming the way you added the bigger foot print did not add so much weight to cancel it out. So the tractor weighs as much now as it did before assuming all things are equal so the total weight is the same with the tracks as it was with the tires except its spread out over a lot more ground giving you a bigger contact area with as much weight total as before which equals a lot more traction. So that tractor will out push another one with tires anyday assuming the tracks have a decent tread and not big smooth rounded flat pads


Wrong.

Tractors will sink before they spin out when pushing, and tractors are not geared right for hard core pushing like you can do with a 90 hp CTL.

Some of the bigger 90 hp tractors I work beside have the same ground contact area as my Cat 247B2, and they weigh 3 times more, yet still have the same amount of ground pressure.

[SpecOne]

Wrong.

Tractors will sink before they spin out when pushing, and tractors are not geared right for hard core pushing like you can do with a 90 hp CTL.

Some of the bigger 90 hp tractors I work beside have the same ground contact area as my Cat 247B2, and they weigh 3 times more, yet still have the same amount of ground pressure.

I will have to disagree with you here. Two vehicles that have the same ground contact area CANNOT have the same amount of ground pressure if one of the vehicles weighs 3 times more.

Take for example the Cat 279C. It has a ground pressure of 4 PSI according to Cat's specs and a ground contact area around 2500 square inches. This equates to roughly 10000 lbs weight. Another vehicle that has the same ground contact area (2500 in2) but weighs 30000 lbs would have a ground pressure of 12 PSI. The only way to get the 30000 lbs vehicle to have the same 4 PSI ground pressure is to have that weight spread over a larger ground contact area.

Ground pressure is determined by dividing the weight of the vehicle by the ground contact area.

[bobcat_ron]

I will have to disagree with you here. Two vehicles that have the same ground contact area CANNOT have the same amount of ground pressure if one of the vehicles weighs 3 times more.

Take for example the Cat 279C. It has a ground pressure of 4 PSI according to Cat's specs and a ground contact area around 2500 square inches. This equates to roughly 10000 lbs weight. Another vehicle that has the same ground contact area (2500 in2) but weighs 30000 lbs would have a ground pressure of 12 PSI. The only way to get the 30000 lbs vehicle to have the same 4 PSI ground pressure is to have that weight spread over a larger ground contact area.

Ground pressure is determined by dividing the weight of the vehicle by the ground contact area.

Our farms here use the widest standard tires available, average rear tire width on the ground is around 28", fronts are 20".

[93turbo]

:laugh:Wrong. Think about it this way: people put sand bags in the back of pickups to improve traction in ice and snow.

whats that got to do with anything I said the tractor weighed the same with more contact area so it would have better traction while not sinking outa sight. I didn't say that adding weight wouldn't increase traction its just not the best way to improve traction in all cases.Think about it this way Drag racers don't load their trunks up with weight for better traction they put a big set of tires on.

Wrong.

Tractors will sink before they spin out when pushing, and tractors are not geared right for hard core pushing like you can do with a 90 hp CTL.

Some of the bigger 90 hp tractors I work beside have the same ground contact area as my Cat 247B2, and they weigh 3 times more, yet still have the same amount of ground pressure.
09-10-2009 11:48 PM


None of this makes any sense. what am I wrong about do you think a wheeled machine will out push a similiar tracked machine tractor or skid? Also what will the tractor sink in are we talking about swamp work only? And if we are if that tractor really does only have 2psi of ground pressure it would fair better then your precious cat due to the higher ground clearence and the ability to turn with out being one track drive. As for the geared for pushing comment have you actually ever used a tractor? Most of the newer compact tractors have a better gear selection then your ctls I know atleast some of the deeres have an A,B,C drive with hydrostatic controls A is for you hard pushing or working B you can do most of your work with and still have lots of ground speed and C is your road gear and changing gears is as hard as pushing a lever to the next slot no harder then pushing a button for your high speed. How many gears does your CTL have? What exactly do you think they build tractors for just mowing grass? Before skidsteers became so popular alot of the work was done with backhoes which are part tractor.
And the last part as SpecOne already pointed out its a mathmatical imposibility for a heavier piece of equipment with the same size foot print to have the same ground pressure:laugh: