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Michael J. Donovan
09-11-2009, 04:48 PM
New Commercial Backpack Blower in prototype stage looking for feedback and comments from commercial Lawn Care Specialists.

Instead of two people trying to work together NOW one person does the work of two with LESS effort and energy.

Cutting labor cost and work time in half.

Cliff Peters from TwindStorm Dooly has a manufacturer interested in the Dooly and needs our industryís input to itís viability and usefulness.

here are a few links to videos he has uploaded here on the site

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=90#watch

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=131#watch

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=admin&tubeid=132

Would you buy a Dooly if they manufacture it?

please respond in this thread

mowerbrad
09-11-2009, 05:06 PM
It looks like it will be good for the areas where it is nice to have two blowers so you don't have to go over it twice. But it also looks heavy, which can lead to early fatigue during the day. It also looks like it sticks out farther than a typical bp blower, so if you are working around cars or in tight spots you would really have to be careful so you don't hit anything.

EvenCutLawnCare
09-11-2009, 05:13 PM
It looks like it could be a neat machine. Many times I run 2 guys side-by-side down a sidewalk to be more efficient. With that machine, one guy could do the work of 2. My only concern would be weight. In the second video, it looked like the machine is electric start. Many times I have wished for electric start when I turn the blower off to talk to someone, but in order to restart it I must take it off my back. Electric start, I believe, would be a double edged sword. By the time you add a battery, relays, starting motor, and all the wiring, that blower could be very heavy. I would be interested to know the weight of the mahcine.

TwinDooly
09-11-2009, 07:20 PM
It is one engine pushing out the equivalent of 2 stihl BR400 with approximately @180mph and 485cfm out each discharge tube.weight is currently around 30lbs.
With the help of a manufacturer the weight can be reduced.

Scagguy
09-11-2009, 07:50 PM
I would have to demo one before rendering an opinion.

lawntennis
09-11-2009, 08:57 PM
Sure would be nice during leaf season. We ofter run guys next to each other.

TwinDooly
09-11-2009, 09:32 PM
I have have had over a dozen Lawn guys field test the TwindStorm Dooly and I am in process of putting together testimonial from users. Each person has loved the TwindStorm Dooly.
I believe a Manufacturer can optimize the TwindStorm Dooly more than I have been able to as a simple lawn man. Your Feedback will help encourage the Manufacturer see the Value and need our industry has for a more powerful and effective synergistic blower.

I.M. Green
09-11-2009, 10:35 PM
If everything you say is true and the price is realistic then it woudl be a no brainer for me if I was going to be looking at blower which I will be within the next few months, so what can i do to get my hands on one now?

grassman177
09-11-2009, 10:39 PM
i still thnk it is a great idea and would be interested in trying one out for leaf season. i think it is too much for my needs in everyday lawn work, never know

TwinDooly
09-11-2009, 10:41 PM
A manufacturer is flying me and the TwindStorm Dooly up to there Site to take a Closer look @ the TwindStorm Dooly ,That is why I am looking for Responses from potential users so they will see that it is truly a NO Brainer for those of us that want to cut manpower Cost and generate more time for more profits and get our Jobs Done Quicker with Greater Control over the Debris.Thank You for your Time and Response pass the word around.

Joel B.
09-11-2009, 10:59 PM
How much is it?

clcare2
09-11-2009, 11:20 PM
How hard is it to get that thing on your back??

Seems like an awful lot of weight in an odd distribution.

After watching the videos, I am not convinced that the jobs being done, couldn't be done with one blower anyways. In fact, if I make such a large, and heavy mess that I would need the power of two blowers at the same time, I get out my trusty 30 dollar broom and dust pan

TwinDooly
09-11-2009, 11:25 PM
I can't say for sure that is up to the manufacturer.My personal target price would be in the 600.00-649.00 range.That would only be 10%-20% over what a big single blower costs. In my surveying of people that have done demos with the Dooly they would pay these prices knowing that the Dooly would pay for itself easily just in Labor/Time saved and productivity alone within a very short time period. Knowing by Alleviating the need for two men together and or Freeing Time to do other tasks and complete more accounts in a day.

TwinDooly
09-11-2009, 11:35 PM
How hard is it to get that thing on your back??

Seems like an awful lot of weight in an odd distribution.

After watching the videos, I am not convinced that the jobs being done, couldn't be done with one blower anyways. In fact, if I make such a large, and heavy mess that I would need the power of two blowers at the same time, I get out my trusty 30 dollar broom and dust pan

Putting the Dooly on your back is about the same as the Bigger blowers like the Shindaiwa 8510/8520 the weight is evenly distributed with equal power so as to not torque the body.(balanced like caring 2 five gallon buckets verses one)
The Dooly is about the same weight as caring a backpack sprayer with a 4 gallon load.around 30lbs for my prototype.Once again believing that a Manufacturer should be able to reduce the weight .
Another key factor is I have cut my time blowing by 25% up to 50% so I do not have to carry the blower nearly as long.

zman2307
09-12-2009, 12:02 AM
Good luck! Hope it's Echo. They're very close to the top if not there already. Two BR400esque blowers is plenty of power. Virtually nobody carries anything bigger than that in this area anyway.

Impressive product. Will you be at EXPO this year?

TwinDooly
09-12-2009, 12:32 AM
Good luck! Hope it's Echo. They're very close to the top if not there already. Two BR400esque blowers is plenty of power. Virtually nobody carries anything bigger than that in this area anyway.

Impressive product. Will you be at EXPO this year?

cant say who it is quite Yet. Thank You for your response.I am hoping this Manufacturer will License the TwindStorm Dooly and We can Demo the Dooly at the Expo.I would appreciate your prayers for 21st of Sep. meeting that is when They are flying Me and the Dooly up to their Facility.

hate2work
09-12-2009, 01:20 AM
This reminds me of the one-man twin cylinder chain saw Echo put out 25 years ago. It was an immediate flop because the power to weight ratio was so far out of balance. It was smooth as butter when running, but just too heavy for what you got in power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnkbtFvnKWs

I mean, the concept for the blower is unique, but will it fly?

Does it seem noisy, or is that just me? The narrator yelled at the operator, who obviously didn't hear him.

How much does it weigh?

How comfortable is it to wear for extended periods?

Can the blower tubes be operated independently? Or is it an all or nothing type deal?

Most of what I saw it doing could have been done with a BR 600.

lilwill12
09-12-2009, 08:00 AM
Very nice I like it. Will it hang on current backpack blower trailer racks or will a special one have to be made?

Will

mowerbrad
09-12-2009, 10:44 AM
Putting the Dooly on your back is about the same as the Bigger blowers like the Shindaiwa 8510/8520 the weight is evenly distributed with equal power so as to not torque the body.(balanced like caring 2 five gallon buckets verses one)
The Dooly is about the same weight as caring a backpack sprayer with a 4 gallon load.around 30lbs for my prototype.Once again believing that a Manufacturer should be able to reduce the weight .
Another key factor is I have cut my time blowing by 25% up to 50% so I do not have to carry the blower nearly as long.

I have alot of experience using the 4 gallon bp sprayers and can say that they are quite heavy after prolonged use. The nice thing about the sprayers is that they get lighter as you go, but with the blower it will say that same weight the whole time. To me, the weight will be the biggest determining factor. I couldn't see myself buying it if it is at the 30lbs size, I'd just get too tired, too quickly and wouldn't be able to work as long. If you could get it down 3-5lbs, I think it will have a better chance of selling and having a higer popularity. So I think that you and the manufacturer really need to discuss your options of decreasing the weight of the unit, I think that should be one of your top priorities.

Kutz Lawns
09-12-2009, 12:07 PM
I would seriously think about a name change first thing!

ed2hess
09-12-2009, 03:30 PM
That unit is just too...heavy. A good design point is 20# for a person to be productive day in and out and to get the unit into and out of the trailer cage without tearing it up. And the cleanup in the movies could be done with a simple little backpack. When you get onto a big parking lot your guy would go crazy tryign to chase leaves in a windy day.....

Elite Outdoor
09-12-2009, 10:18 PM
I think its a great idea. At 30lbs I don't see that as much of a problem. The blowers I use now are 25lbs. I have always thought the worst part about a blower is the way it torks/twists you body, and it looks like this would get rid of that. I bet it would work great in corners and along fences where its tough to get leaves moving. I would buy one.

LR3
09-12-2009, 10:51 PM
Great idea! And have said before that I wish I had a two in one. If I were you, I would patent it and sell it to Stihl.

jtkplc
09-13-2009, 10:21 AM
I agree about a name change. I can also go buy a Shindaiwa 8520 and have comparable performance numbers for less weight. If you could offer 1000cfm and 210+ mph total combined with both tubes, and keep the weight to around 30 lbs. I'd buy it.

LR3
09-13-2009, 10:27 AM
I agree about a name change. I can also go buy a Shindaiwa 8520 and have comparable performance numbers for less weight. If you could offer 1000cfm and 210+ mph total combined with both tubes, and keep the weight to around 30 lbs. I'd buy it.

Ditto!
Posted via Mobile Device

jtkplc
09-13-2009, 10:44 AM
The part in red is the same as my post above. I ran out of time editing my post after I though of more things to say.

I agree about a name change.

I can also go buy a Shindaiwa 8520* and have comparable performance numbers for less weight. If you could offer 1000cfm and 210+ mph total combined with both tubes, and keep the weight to around 30 lbs. I'd buy it.

Plus I can go buy 2 Shindaiwa 3410** handheld blowers or 2 Maruyama 3200*** handheld blowers and be right at the performance numbers of the Twindstorm Dooly. With either of those handheld blowers I'd be carrying 20-25lbs. and would cost less. I just don't see a huge advantage to buying the big and bulky Dooly. I would need a product that stretched the performance of what else is out there.

BR400 - 180mph, 485 cfm, air mass = 768 (x2 = 1536)
*8520 - 229mph, 813cfm, air mass = 2132
**3410 - 199mph, 398cfm, air mass = 788 (x2 = 1576)
***3200 - 183mph, 459cfm, air mass = 769 (x2 = 1538)

TwinDooly
09-13-2009, 02:38 PM
Ditto!
Posted via Mobile Device

The Dooly currently has performance of 180mph and 485 cfm out of both tubes simultaneously with a combined use of two blower nozzles in one unit.
Ergonomically balanced.With Total COMBINED Air power of 360 mph & 970 cfm out the end of the tube ends. Hope this clarify s what I currently have on videos.With the Engineering Skills of a Manufacturer I have no doubt they can optimize the Weight and Increase the Power.

john_incircuit
09-13-2009, 03:00 PM
The Dooly currently has performance of 180mph and 485 cfm out of both tubes simultaneously with a combined use of two blower nozzles in one unit.
Ergonomically balanced.With Total COMBINED Air power of 360 mph & 970 cfm out the end of the tube ends. Hope this clarify s what I currently have on videos.With the Engineering Skills of a Manufacturer I have no doubt they can optimize the Weight and Increase the Power.


It's a while that I had my physics classes, but there is just now way that two blowers with each 180 mph and 485 cfm will result in a combined 360 mph air speed. Yes, two blowers will have twice the air volume, but not twice the air speed.

hate2work
09-13-2009, 04:37 PM
It's a while that I had my physics classes, but there is just now way that two blowers with each 180 mph and 485 cfm will result in a combined 360 mph air speed. Yes, two blowers will have twice the air volume, but not twice the air speed.


Good catch, he should have worded that differently. But 360 MPH wind speed sure does sound impressive :)

Richard Martin
09-13-2009, 05:45 PM
With Total COMBINED Air power of 360 mph

Whoops. You should'na said that. :hammerhead:

maelawncare
09-13-2009, 09:09 PM
he did say power not speed.

TwinDooly
09-13-2009, 10:39 PM
Good catch, he should have worded that differently. But 360 MPH wind speed sure does sound impressive :)

Sorry I did not think that out correctly.Thanks for the clarity in wording Your So Right I AGREE MY BAD(not trying to mislead just attempting to explain the synergistic effects). The Point I am trying to convey is that with Two Combined Volumes of air there is a much larger field and volume of air that gives you a wall of Air and two different directions of 180mph @485cfm each Combined (970cfm) to blow with that creates synergy. The Videos demonstrate a greater Control,fluidity and flow of air to move the debris verses repetition that has to manipulate the debris. The Proof is in the Pudding(Videos)
If Any one has a more mathematical way of helping me explain the Physics I would be grateful. THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR FEEDBACK AND COMMENT

hate2work
09-13-2009, 11:15 PM
The way I would say that is "Each tube has a 180 MPH wind speed and 485 CFM, and together they produce 970 CFM".

Why are you even using wind speed as a selling point? I would just stick with those very impressive CFM numbers, that's what moves stuff :)

We used to get a lot of guys come in the shop and talk about the wind speed of some brand they saw at the box store, wanting to compare it to the wind speed of the stuff we sold. I would go get a straw, and have them blow through it as hard as they could. I'd then say "You just blew 150 MPH through that straw, you think you could clean your sidewalk with it?" Hopefully they would get the point I was making.

BTW, is that 485 CFM number measured at the housing or the end of the tube?

TwinDooly
09-13-2009, 11:41 PM
Thank You. Your So right. I know in testing the Dooly when using the 2 1/4" tube ends I got greater MPH but less CFM. Using the 2 1/2" tube end produced less MPR but greater CFM.

Hawg City Lawns
09-13-2009, 11:52 PM
i think its a great idea

siclmn
09-14-2009, 12:02 AM
A niche product, a very small niche. Of those of you that would need it just how many times a day would you really grab it over your normal blower? Would you look forward to hoisting that thing on your back when you are tired?

Richard Martin
09-14-2009, 04:46 AM
I know in testing the Dooly when using the 2 1/4" tube ends I got greater MPH but less CFM. Using the 2 1/2" tube end produced less MPR but greater CFM.

Yeah. That's calculatable. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle

lawnboy dan
09-14-2009, 12:20 PM
you can do the same thing with a backpac and a hand blower. i also agree that the cleanup job done in the vidio could easyly be done with a redmaz 8000 or sthil 600

TwinDooly
09-15-2009, 06:34 PM
Want to Thank every for there comments. It seems some of the comments are missing the purpose and potential of the Dooly. In no way am I saying that the other blowers cant do the same type job as the Dooly But I am saying that the Dooly does the Job Much Quicker with greater Ease, Fluidity and Control, Hands Down Every time. Thereby saving precious time ,Energy and cutting Labor Costs in HALF. As a Owner Operator of a small Commercial/Residential Business for 26yrs you pretty much know most aspects of the equipment usage and purposes. I have seen innovation change the way we do our jobs for the better. I have no Doubt that The same way the stick edger and pole pruner innovation helped our industry's productivity and profitability.The Dooly By Shear Design and Science of Synergy will do the Same.
Please KEEP UP THE FEEDBACK I fly up to see the Manufacturer Monday the 21st of September.
THANKS AGAIN.

Elite Outdoor
09-15-2009, 07:19 PM
I said it earlier and will say it again, its a great idea. I would buy one. I just look at the potential time savings you could have and think it would be a great investment. I know that when leaf season gets here it would be nice to have a blower that you could work the leaves with from multiple directions. Not to mention corners and pushing leaves down a fence that is on your left hand side.

grassaholic
09-15-2009, 09:13 PM
Looks like a great idea. I think alot of guys are missing the point though. I agree that I could blow off all the sidewalks that your guy did in the videos with my BR600. The difference that I think most are missing is that you couldn't walk that fast and clear the debris that fast with a normal backpack blower. I would also like to see a video of someone blowing a big pile of leaves across a yard. I guess thats not something you would normally do down in Florida but, it was one of the first things that came to my mind while watching your videos. Again, I think it's a great idea and wish you luck with getting someone to manufacture it for you.:drinkup:

TwinDooly
09-16-2009, 08:13 AM
Looks like a great idea. I think alot of guys are missing the point though. I agree that I could blow off all the sidewalks that your guy did in the videos with my BR600. The difference that I think most are missing is that you couldn't walk that fast and clear the debris that fast with a normal backpack blower. I would also like to see a video of someone blowing a big pile of leaves across a yard. I guess thats not something you would normally do down in Florida but, it was one of the first things that came to my mind while watching your videos. Again, I think it's a great idea and wish you luck with getting someone to manufacture it for you.:drinkup:

thank You your feedback is very valuable for me to show the manufacturer this Monday when they fl:waving::usflag:y me and the Dooly up to their Facility.

TwinDooly
09-16-2009, 04:22 PM
I said it earlier and will say it again, its a great idea. I would buy one. I just look at the potential time savings you could have and think it would be a great investment. I know that when leaf season gets here it would be nice to have a blower that you could work the leaves with from multiple directions. Not to mention corners and pushing leaves down a fence that is on your left hand side.

Please pass the word on as you surf the threads for others to take the time to leave their opinion on the Dooly and whether you would buy the Dooly based on the benefits it will afford our industry. This information will help the Manufacturers see the viability in the Dooly.
Thank You and God Bless:usflag:

johnnybravo8802
09-16-2009, 09:16 PM
I think it's a great concept and I congratulate you on the idea. I also have an idea I'm working on but don't know how to get it off the ground. My concern would be the weight and bulkiness of the machine. That's the thing that turned me off about the Redmax-the bulkiness. I opted to get the Stihl BR600 for the compactness and the lighter weight. This would obviously be targeted to the solo operator for sure. The problem is, after mowing 10 acres of grass, which I do on my own, the last thing I want is a heavy machine on my back. Trust me, I'm already tired and have to conserve my energy. I'm a lot stronger than the average man but that means nothing when you put in a 12 hour day and you're dying from exhaustion or the heat. I could see myself grabbing the lighter BR600 at the end of the day and, therefore, the money spent on the big boy would be wasted. I really like the price but I have to agree about the weight. Also, I would have a concern about fuel consumption. I can see that thing sucking some fuel.

TwinDooly
09-17-2009, 07:59 AM
Practically Everyone that has demoed the Dooly thought the weight difference would be a issue until they put it on and realized it was negligible compared to cutting there wear time in half. Also the balance and equal torque made it very comfortable.
30lbs now on my prototype very well should be able to be reduced to 26-28 by a manufacturer optimizing it.This is my ultimate Goal.Thanks for your response.

HenryB
09-17-2009, 08:41 AM
Great product The equal torgue to both sides is huge. Much less twisting on the lower back. Good Luck

TwinDooly
09-17-2009, 06:54 PM
Looks like a great idea. I think alot of guys are missing the point though. I agree that I could blow off all the sidewalks that your guy did in the videos with my BR600. The difference that I think most are missing is that you couldn't walk that fast and clear the debris that fast with a normal backpack blower. I would also like to see a video of someone blowing a big pile of leaves across a yard. I guess thats not something you would normally do down in Florida but, it was one of the first things that came to my mind while watching your videos. Again, I think it's a great idea and wish you luck with getting someone to manufacture it for you.:drinkup:

Need More Feedback:usflag: Please Pass on the TwindStorm Dooly Thread

Merkava_4
09-17-2009, 08:24 PM
I would seriously think about a name change first thing!

Yeah I agree. I'd drop the 'd' out of "TwindStorm Dooly" and just make it TwinStorm.

TwinDooly
09-18-2009, 07:44 AM
Please Help my Survey for the Manufacturer to look at.To My fellow Lawn Constitutes, Would you Buy One.Whats you're thoughts.:usflag:

jacobspro
09-18-2009, 09:48 PM
I'd give the blower a try, my left hand gets bored most of the time anyway. If you've ever blown with a partner, you know two tubes get things done much quicker. And with one person operating both tubes, there'd be no confusion with what your partner is doing.

Blmtlandscapes
09-18-2009, 10:07 PM
I think that it can be useful in certain situations and I don't think that the weight would be an issue. However I see a problem in its manuverability. I don't think its practical near foundation plantings where you need to squeeze inbetween plantings. Without realizing it you rely on a free hand more than you think. You use it for moving bushes away and balancing. Having another long tube extending from you left hand can get in the way sometimes. But overall if you target the correct uses for it I think you could have a big hit.

STIHL GUY
09-18-2009, 11:06 PM
i would definitly have to try it out first before buying it but it does seem like a good idea

TwinDooly
09-20-2009, 08:40 AM
I said it earlier and will say it again, its a great idea. I would buy one. I just look at the potential time savings you could have and think it would be a great investment. I know that when leaf season gets here it would be nice to have a blower that you could work the leaves with from multiple directions. Not to mention corners and pushing leaves down a fence that is on your left hand side.

Looking for More Response to show the Manufacturer Monday we want the Dooly on the Market to help us "Get R Done".:usflag::clapping:Thanks Everyone for your Support

yardmanlee
09-20-2009, 09:27 AM
A niche product, a very small niche. Of those of you that would need it just how many times a day would you really grab it over your normal blower? Would you look forward to hoisting that thing on your back when you are tired?

we would use it quite a bit in neighborhoods where we have several properties together, and would be great during leaf season, Id be happy to test one out for ya

yardmanlee
09-20-2009, 09:32 AM
Looking for More Response to show the Manufacturer Monday we want the Dooly on the Market to help us "Get R Done".:usflag::clapping:Thanks Everyone for your Support

good luck w/ your meeting Monday!! keep us posted

johnnybravo8802
09-20-2009, 10:15 AM
I'll vote for it if you call it the "Bravo Twins!!" :laugh::laugh:

Trevor8
09-20-2009, 10:55 AM
Looking for More Response to show the Manufacturer Monday we want the Dooly on the Market to help us "Get R Done".:usflag::clapping:Thanks Everyone for your Support

I would Test one out for you i just started doing some leaves and could use a more powerful blower.

TwinDooly
09-20-2009, 11:58 AM
I'd give the blower a try, my left hand gets bored most of the time anyway. If you've ever blown with a partner, you know two tubes get things done much quicker. And with one person operating both tubes, there'd be no confusion with what your partner is doing.

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=139#watch

Thank You everyone for your comments and support in this Awesome endeavor. Please Pass the word around to other threads to comment on the Dooly.
I will Let you know how the Meeting goes with the Manufacturer.Please keep me and the Dooly in your Prayers.:usflag::clapping::waving:

benrunn
09-20-2009, 03:20 PM
This would be nice for working around the curbs and stuff. You could sweep everything in with one and then toss it up with the other, could be nifty, I would love to demo it.

Alan0354
09-20-2009, 04:36 PM
Isn't a lot simplier just get a bp with tube throttle and a hand held on the left hand. Together should do just as good a job without worry about putting a double size blower onto the back.

I have posted before about using a hand held in conjuction with a bp. the combination would be a lot more useful than a specialized twin blower. Most people do have a bp and a hand held already. I personally would not buy one like this because it cost a lot more, hard to put on, very limit use unless you have piles of leaves.

A bp and a good size hand held will get you 1000cfm at the tube, that is a lot of air already. The good point is you can use them separately where the twin bp is so inconvient. In two of the video, they are blower the curb and side walk, even a hand held can do a very good job. I do believe two tube is very useful in directing the pile of leaves, but a hand held can do just as good a job.

There are a lot of market like my area where a Husky 150Bt is plenty good already. The market is very limited. Good luck if you market this.

TwinDooly
09-25-2009, 09:33 PM
Isn't a lot simpler just get a bp with tube throttle and a hand held on the left hand. Together should do just as good a job without worry about putting a double size blower onto the back.
A bp and a good size hand held will get you 1000cfm at the tube, that is a lot of air already. The good point is you can use them separately where the twin bp is so inconvenient.

With 26yrs hands on experience using the two separate blower way costs us as lawn consumers the price of two units and the extra weight and torque of trying to manipulate and carry the handheld for long periods of time.With the Dooly you have one unit with weight and cost of only 25% more and ease of only having a handle and tube for extra weight in the left hand with close proximate in use ability. Wall of Wind working in harmony.
The whole Idea of the Dooly was to condense Two machines into one.
The Manufacturers who tested a redmax and then the Dooly immediately saw and experienced the difference and Benefits.:usflag::waving:

zman2307
09-25-2009, 10:51 PM
With 26yrs hands on experience using the two separate blower way costs us as lawn consumers the price of two units and the extra weight and torque of trying to manipulate and carry the handheld for long periods of time.With the Dooly you have one unit with weight and cost of only 25% more and ease of only having a handle and tube for extra weight in the left hand with close proximate in use ability. Wall of Wind working in harmony.
The whole Idea of the Dooly was to condense Two machines into one.
The Manufacturers who tested a redmax and then the Dooly immediately saw and experienced the difference and Benefits.:usflag::waving:

so the demos went good huh?? any takers?

yardmanlee
09-26-2009, 08:17 AM
so the demos went good huh?? any takers?


yea let us know how soon before we see these w/ a stihl name on them

Mowbizz
09-26-2009, 08:20 AM
Good idea , but your videos show a ridiculously, small amount of debris being blown. "Proof is in the pudding" would be seeing the unit in action on a New England Fall cleanup. I literally, have small mountains of leaves to move. Your idea is a good one and I wish you luck. Put that thing to work on some REAL debris piles if you want us to say we'll buy one.

rob7233
09-26-2009, 10:05 AM
My Guess it's Shindaiwa as the Manufacturer. If so, I'd say sooner than later, they will dominate the commercial blower market.

Hope to get a chance to try it at the Expo. It would be a great opportunity to get feedback on even a prototype. "Hey you, you wanna try this blower out? Then you have to complete this form and leave us some feedback".

It would be Market research at it's best. Just like when Green Touch came out with the prototype of the Extreme Trimmer rack. I ordered mine right then and there and I didn't care that I'd had to wait for it.

TwinDooly
09-26-2009, 03:22 PM
Good idea , but your videos show a ridiculously, small amount of debris being blown. "Proof is in the pudding" would be seeing the unit in action on a New England Fall cleanup. I literally, have small mountains of leaves to move. Your idea is a good one and I wish you luck. Put that thing to work on some REAL debris piles if you want us to say we'll buy one.

I was hoping that their was lots of leaves when I went up to do the Demo for the Manufacturer but they said with the dry weather and it still being late summer or early fall the leaves had not fallen yet. I would Love to do a Leaf Demo all we have in Florida is oak leaves. The Expo would be Awesome to unleash the TwindStorm Dooly, hopefully the Manufacturer will consider covering the costs for the Dooly at the Expo for feedback and response purposes. Put the Word out on the Thread and send out Requests for the Manufacturer to consider the Expo to Demo the Dooly.They are Watching the Feedback on these Threads.:usflag::waving:

yardmanlee
09-26-2009, 04:27 PM
who is the Manufacturer?

zman2307
09-26-2009, 04:47 PM
Stihl, Echo/Shindaiwa, Husqvarna/Redmax - Let the Twindstorm Dooly or DuoForce or whatever this thing is gonna be called be set up at your booth!! There was lots of extra room at all of the above last year anyway!

ALC-GregH
09-26-2009, 04:57 PM
do you feel lighter when you point the nozzles down at the ground and squeeze? :D

TwinDooly
09-26-2009, 11:30 PM
do you feel lighter when you point the nozzles down at the ground and squeeze? :D

I would Love to go to the Expo with the TwindStorm Dooly and put it up against any blower out there even at it's prototype stage.:weightlifter:
As for the Manufacturer I cannot disclose that until they commit to a License Deal.:cool2:
When putting on The Dooly it reminds me of the robot in LOST IN SPACE always waving it's arms and saying "danger will Robinson danger" .I might be dating myself.:usflag: For YouTube I have thought of putting on a small parachute and blowing up into the shoot and seeing what would happen.:laugh:
Keep passing on the Word throughout the threads so that the Manufacturer will realize we really need and want the Dooly because i believe it will revolutionize our Blower Industry and take it by Storm.:clapping:

jtkplc
09-27-2009, 01:56 PM
Sign me up for a demo whenever possible.

TwinDooly
09-29-2009, 11:04 PM
Stihl, Echo/Shindaiwa, Husqvarna/Redmax - Let the Twindstorm Dooly or DuoForce or whatever this thing is gonna be called be set up at your booth!! There was lots of extra room at all of the above last year anyway!

Does anyone know off hand how much it is to set up a booth @ the Expo in Kentucky? I would love the chance to have a Blowing Competition against the other Big boys. Sorta of reminds me of David against Goliath.:) Dont know if I can make it happen yet I am curious? :usflag::clapping:

Deori
09-30-2009, 12:06 AM
I've actually done this myself for kicks with two Echo Pb-755s on at the same time, lol. Put one on your back and the other on your chest. If you swing the tube for the one on your chest around, you can use them at the same time. Course, you're toting around 60 lbs of blower, haha. This Dooly looks pretty hefty too though. The combo tubes does work better than just one, but I still feel that two guys with separate blowers will do a better faster job than one man with two tubes just because two guys can get a better combined angled sweep on debris than one guy with two tubes. Also, unless your ambidextrous, you'll still favor whichever is your dominant hand and kind of forget about your other one. You'd probably get better about that with practice. Still, it would be nice for blowing really heavy stuff or just straight leaves. We do a lot of blowing out rock beds here in Vegas, don't think it would work as well out here.

zman2307
09-30-2009, 12:13 AM
Does anyone know off hand how much it is to set up a booth @ the Expo in Kentucky? I would love the chance to have a Blowing Competition against the other Big boys. Sorta of reminds me of David against Goliath.:) Dont know if I can make it happen yet I am curious? :usflag::clapping:

like $6000 for an outdoor demo spot. but it rains out a lot.... indoors...no idea.

Deori
09-30-2009, 12:14 AM
So I'm thinking (and this would likely be too much hassle to implement) that if it it could make use of both tubes when you wanted it to, but could be quickly modified to only use one tube when desired and somehow get the extra tube out of your way, it would make it a much more versatile machine.

One reason I wouldn't want the double tubes all the time is because I often use my free hand to pick up trash or the errant tree branch/pull a weed, etc. So in a situation where I'm more likely to need the free hand, I wouldn't want that other tube just flopping around. However, if I was blowing a lot of heavier stuff like sand (which I do regularly), it would be great to have the extra power. As I said, likely too many problems with this to implement, but food for thought.

zman2307
09-30-2009, 01:05 AM
So I'm thinking (and this would likely be too much hassle to implement) that if it it could make use of both tubes when you wanted it to, but could be quickly modified to only use one tube when desired and somehow get the extra tube out of your way, it would make it a much more versatile machine.

One reason I wouldn't want the double tubes all the time is because I often use my free hand to pick up trash or the errant tree branch/pull a weed, etc. So in a situation where I'm more likely to need the free hand, I wouldn't want that other tube just flopping around. However, if I was blowing a lot of heavier stuff like sand (which I do regularly), it would be great to have the extra power. As I said, likely too many problems with this to implement, but food for thought.

some sort of a valve to redirect the air into the right side tube. Or left side. This could be the first ambidextrous blower.

TwinDooly
09-30-2009, 10:35 PM
The combo tubes does work better than just one, but I still feel that two guys with separate blowers will do a better faster job than one man with two tubes just because two guys can get a better combined angled sweep on debris than one guy with two tubes. Also, unless your ambidextrous, you'll still favor whichever is your dominant hand and kind of forget about your other one. You'd probably get better about that with practice. Still, it would be nice for blowing really heavy stuff or just straight leaves. We do a lot of blowing out rock beds here in Vegas, don't think it would work as well out here.

I have a commercial account that took me and another guy 1hr to do together. With the Dooly by myself I did the Job in 45min. Cut Labor cost in Half and took 25% off the Clock.One Mind One Man One Dooly:clapping::cool2:

Deori
09-30-2009, 10:51 PM
Well what I didn't say was that I'd be more than happy to demo one :) Best of luck to you, innovation makes our job better every day.

I have a commercial account that took me and another guy 1hr to do together. With the Dooly by myself I did the Job in 45min. Cut Labor cost in Half and took 25% off the Clock.One Mind One Man One Dooly:clapping::cool2:

TwinDooly
10-06-2009, 09:34 PM
New Commercial Backpack Blower in prototype stage looking for feedback and comments from commercial Lawn Care Specialists.

Instead of two people trying to work together NOW one person does the work of two with LESS effort and energy.

Cutting labor cost and work time in half.

Cliff Peters from TwindStorm Dooly has a manufacturer interested in the Dooly and needs our industryís input to itís viability and usefulness.

here are a few links to videos he has uploaded here on the site

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=90#watch

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=131#watch

http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=admin&tubeid=132

Would you buy a Dooly if they manufacture it?

please respond in this thread

Your Input is Important and Much Appreciated:usflag:

TwinDooly
10-08-2009, 06:52 PM
I'd give the blower a try, my left hand gets bored most of the time anyway. If you've ever blown with a partner, you know two tubes get things done much quicker. And with one person operating both tubes, there'd be no confusion with what your partner is doing.

Dooly Designed 4 Profit.:clapping:
With the Dooly you have The Money saved in Cutting your Labor in Half and Reducing blow time at-least by 25% and only have the Cost of one Unit.
I Look forward to having the Dooly Manufactured and offering these benefits and much more to our Industry.:usflag:

Groomer
10-08-2009, 07:23 PM
doesn't little wonder offer a blower that will do all of that?

TwinDooly
10-08-2009, 10:43 PM
doesn't little wonder offer a blower that will do all of that?

What Blower are you referring to. If they do I am unaware of the Blower you are thinking of. Please look into it and let me know.:usflag:

johnnybravo8802
10-09-2009, 12:15 AM
What Blower are you referring to. If they do I am unaware of the Blower you are thinking of. Please look into it and let me know.:usflag:
They have one-it's called the Boy Wonder!!!

johnnybravo8802
10-09-2009, 09:25 PM
I know you mentioned about this blower taking the place of two blowers but it doesn't. It's a great idea and I wish you all the luck and I think it will be great in certain situations. However, it will never substitute two men and two blowers. Someone else mentioned this but here is my example. I mow a Solo warehouse that's up on a hill and windy all of the time. I was blowing off the curbing today and, naturally, the wind was blowing opposite of me-I'd blow and it would blow out into the parking lot. I had to have my help blow back towards me as I was blowing down the curbing-he was about 8 feet away to get the correct angle and to get around the cars. As mentioned before, the angle is important in certain situations. The same goes for a WB-In certain situations, a WB is the only thing that will work and that goes for 2 men with two blowers. The ability to break away and go two different directions is also a big plus with two people. I do believe, though, that the blower will be good for straight forward blowing but it's not accurate to state it will take the place of two people. Technically, for big blowing I'd use a street blower which can't be reckoned with and, better yet, attach it to the front of my TT if I plan to do some seriously fast blowing. Just my 2 cents.

Jay Ray
10-09-2009, 11:56 PM
For moving leaves I use a wheel blower, and a backpack blower along with a handheld. Don't take too long for the left (handheld) forearm to start burning and be very sore the next morning. The wheel blower is not all that maneuverable in tight spaces, and it is taxing on rough ground and up hills.

Seems to me the TwinDooly would eliminate most of those problems, but not replace the wheel blower for all situations.

I would think the weight of a backpack + handheld would exceed the TwinDooly, and with the handheld farther out from side of the body and transferring the weight directly thru the shoulder joint, the two of them together would be taxing a man a whole lot more than the TwinDooly. Ergonomically it has to be much better.

I would like to see it moving leaves, which I think it would do well.

pclawncare
10-10-2009, 12:36 AM
Best of luck with this great idea. I could use one clearing some large parking lots where i need to blow two directs and just walk down one time insted of down and back

yardmanlee
10-10-2009, 06:40 AM
so will we see it at the expo?

TwinDooly
10-10-2009, 03:31 PM
so will we see it at the expo?

I am checking with the manufacturer that is interested in the TwindStorm Dooly to see if they would allow me to set up at their booth and generate feedback and get the Dooly as the industry's Newest BUZZ WORD:cool2:. I would also like to go head to head with the other blowers in real time work situations in a competitive scenario; :weightlifter: not their blow gimmicks to where they blow around a big object like a brick or block.:dancing:
Pass the word around the threads Here cause they are checking your responses;This might encourage the Manufacturer to bring Me and the Dooly to the EXPO so that you guys can see the Dooly in action:usflag:

Tharrell
10-10-2009, 04:15 PM
Listen, I just spent $1850 for a Little Wonder. I would surely buy one of those with an extra tube. Tell your manufacturer to get on with it.
My left hand is just picking my nose when I use my backpack!
The argument about replacing 2 guys may be somewhat true but, think of what 2 guys could do with 2 of these.
I picture me walking down the center of one of the parking lots I maintain with a tube pointed left and a tube pointed right taking car of it with one walk through. Tony

TwinDooly
10-13-2009, 05:02 PM
Best of luck with this great idea. I could use one clearing some large parking lots where i need to blow two directs and just walk down one time insted of down and back

Thanks for all the Feedback:clapping:. Looking for new Feedback from other lawn/landscapers. What about all those Road/paving crews and parking lot sweepers? Would the Dooly Help make your Jobs easier and quicker?:usflag:

TitanG
10-13-2009, 10:17 PM
I think your concept certainly has merit. My first thought was about the weight of the unit and would certainly like to see a manufacturer address the issue. The counter balance of the torque is a plus - I've often wished you could alternate the side your blowing from to give each side a break.

Is it necessary to have each tube the same size? What if you had a smaller tube on one side as a controlling air flow while the other side is the brute force that moves the debris?

I'm considering buying a BR600 as I like the power weight ratio but would seriously consider the Dooly if the weight was closer to 23-25 lbs.

Not that a name would keep me from buying but I agree with previous comments that "TwinStorm" sounds/looks better. I would bet that if a manufacturer picks this up they'd have something to say about the name.

Good luck - keep dreaming.

Greg

mdlwn1
10-14-2009, 12:51 PM
Problems I see
1. I can blow debris with my RM faster than I can walk..so why would I buy something that I could not use....granted most guys are really slow.
2. The 2 tubes while running parallel will cancel each others force on the insides of the windstreams. As any good operator would tell you, the sides of the windstream are as important as the front.

greenlawnlandscape
10-15-2009, 06:28 PM
Looks like a very productive blower. I currently use a big Shindaiwa and i mostly work solo. I'm sure this would help considerably. I am a little concerned about the weight. I would definately be interested in purchasing one in the future.

TwinDooly
10-15-2009, 10:53 PM
Problems I see
1. I can blow debris with my RM faster than I can walk..so why would I buy something that I could not use....granted most guys are really slow.
2. The 2 tubes while running parallel will cancel each others force on the insides of the windstreams. As any good operator would tell you, the sides of the windstream are as important as the front.

I would like to suggest the factor of Synergy:clapping:. Based off of using the Dooly 1st hand and seeing it's effects and capabilities I would like to interject that The Two Streams of air most certainly do not cancel each other out: But they merge to create a wall of air, that allows the user to capture a greater range and Area of control and efficiency. That is How you can blow a whole sidewalk with a fast fluid momentous and pace.:cool2:

krider
10-15-2009, 11:57 PM
Is this thread still going???? really?

TwinDooly
10-19-2009, 07:53 AM
I said it earlier and will say it again, its a great idea. I would buy one. I just look at the potential time savings you could have and think it would be a great investment. I know that when leaf season gets here it would be nice to have a blower that you could work the leaves with from multiple directions. Not to mention corners and pushing leaves down a fence that is on your left hand side.

Got a New Video blowing LOTS of WET LEAVES Not a Problem for Dooly. I am using the 4 stroke Robin Engine.:weightlifter:

ALC-GregH
10-19-2009, 08:30 AM
Got a New Video blowing LOTS of WET LEAVES Not a Problem for Dooly. I am using the 4 stroke Robin Engine.:weightlifter:

where's the link? :)

TwinDooly
10-19-2009, 12:01 PM
Got a New Video blowing LOTS of WET LEAVES Not a Problem for Dooly. I am using the 4 stroke Robin Engine.:weightlifter:

Videos on Site http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=146

TwinDooly
10-21-2009, 10:26 PM
Videos on Site http://www.lawnsite.com/vbtube_show.php?do=tube&tubeid=146

Any body seen the Wet Leaf Video Yet. The Oak Leaves are Wet ,Heavy and piled up and with the Dooly it creates a Wall of Wind and Escorts it off with No Problem.:clapping:
Never seen the Change of Seasons But Hope to try the Dooly out on Northern Leaves and Do a Video Here in the Next couple Months.:usflag:

Mowbizz
10-21-2009, 11:11 PM
Any body seen the Wet Leaf Video Yet. The Oak Leaves are Wet ,Heavy and piled up and with the Dooly it creates a Wall of Wind and Escorts it off with No Problem.:clapping:
Never seen the Change of Seasons But Hope to try the Dooly out on Northern Leaves and Do a Video Here in the Next couple Months.:usflag:

Sorry but the amount of leaves your blowing is still very minimal. The fact that they're wet is helping keep them down and not blowing them all over creation. Again, a good idea with some merit but you're not really "testing" the dooley to my satisfaction yet...:rolleyes:

bare spot
10-21-2009, 11:40 PM
Sorry but the amount of leaves your blowing is still very minimal. The fact that they're wet is helping keep them down and not blowing them all over creation. Again, a good idea with some merit but you're not really "testing" the dooley to my satisfaction yet...:rolleyes:

video didn't do much for me but yeah, looking good on the idea.

TwinDooly
10-21-2009, 11:50 PM
video didn't do much for me but yeah, looking good on the idea.

Thanks for your Thoughts and Please take a few minutes and look at the other videos and give me your feedback.:usflag:Guys I wish i had your leaves to demonstrate with but this is what fla. has to offer.:waving:

mdlwn1
10-22-2009, 12:06 AM
Honestly...it's rare to see a landscape service person that can actually use all the power available in current blowers. I dont see your blower preventing them from trying to push a pile that cant be moved without a rake. I would be most interested in a reduction of weight, vibration, and noise.

mdlwn1
10-22-2009, 12:22 AM
Just a thought. I just watched the 2 videos. I would highly recommend getting some more professional types to endorse it. All I saw was messed up looking people in front of messed up lookin properties....

zman2307
10-23-2009, 01:22 AM
so you gonna be at EXPO? if so, what booth can we find you at?

TwinDooly
10-23-2009, 07:32 AM
so you gonna be at EXPO? if so, what booth can we find you at?

I am Sorry to say but the Manufacturer that is considering the TwindStorm Dooly ; Little Wonder said it is premature at this point . Please pass the Word on to Go by their Booth and tell them your thoughts and hopes for and about the Dooly:clapping:.
So the only option is to expensive; Personally I do not have $6,000.00 to purchase booth space.:usflag:
I want to Thank each and every Person for their Comments and Feedback; may the Lord Bless and Keep all Safe and Successful.:waving:

zman2307
10-23-2009, 01:42 PM
I am Sorry to say but the Manufacturer that is considering the TwindStorm Dooly ; Little Wonder said it is premature at this point . Please pass the Word on to Go by their Booth and tell them your thoughts and hopes for and about the Dooly:clapping:.
So the only option is to expensive; Personally I do not have $6,000.00 to purchase booth space.:usflag:
I want to Thank each and every Person for their Comments and Feedback; may the Lord Bless and Keep all Safe and Successful.:waving:

Wow, didn't know they were thinking about getting into handhelds. Course, since Schiller's recent consolidation into a mega OPE conglomeration of brands, it would be smart to snatch up a lone handheld line out there. I would expect that to happen first.....

Robin is a likely candidate since they are already distributed with the rest of the Schiller products including Little Wonder..... that would be why there's a demo of the Dooly with that new mega Robin 4 cycle engine... :waving:

TwinDooly
10-24-2009, 04:18 PM
so you gonna be at EXPO? if so, what booth can we find you at?

i saw it. i think it is time to put it on the market to bad billy wasnt alive i bet he would endorce it it is better than the awesom auger

Hope All of you will go by the Little Wonder Booth and Encourage them to Manufacture the TwindStorm Dooly. ASAP:clapping:
Sorry I wont be able to be at the Expo to show you the Dooly up close and demonstrate it for you.:waving:
God Bless and Keep all Our troops Safe and Successful.:usflag:

johnnybravo8802
10-24-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm sure this is a dumb question, but have you looked into all the other manufacturer's? Little Wonder seems to be an odd choice for a backpack. How did you end up with them as a prospect? I think echo would be a good choice. They used to be the bomb years ago but have lost a lot of ground over the years-Stihl took over. I'd think echo would be interested in something that could put them back on the map. I wouldn't think Stihl would be a good choice because of the 4 Mix. They've probably spent all of the money they're going to spend for a while. Anyway, keep plugging away at it. I feel confident that anyone who has enough initiative to create an idea like yours isn't about to give up at this point. Good Luck!

demhustler
10-24-2009, 07:29 PM
unbelieveble - such a good idea,
we can do it in garages, etc. - but MANUFACTURERS - not interested?

TD, you're gone through all of this - what your advise - to combine two blowers together simply back to back (side to side) in home/garage/basement, ductape/ wire conditions - what ideas/designs/mods would work, what wouldn't? what better ways and what to pay attention to, what to avoid?

TwinDooly
10-24-2009, 11:09 PM
unbelieveble - such a good idea,
we can do it in garages, etc. - but MANUFACTURERS - not interested?

TD, you're gone through all of this - what your advise - to combine two blowers together simply back to back (side to side) in home/garage/basement, ductape/ wire conditions - what ideas/designs/mods would work, what wouldn't? what better ways and what to pay attention to, what to avoid?

Be a Good Steward of all that is in your Heart and all you put your hands to do. My 1st proto type is what I call a SanFord & Son Dooly made out of old shop parts 1996. Then condensed it further again from shop parts 1999. Then a complete redesign of Blower with New Engineered Original Parts to what you see now 2004. It Befuddles my mind that a Major Manufacturer has not jumped all over the Dooly. I can only imagine that the Big Boys have their Backpacks . Maybe they just don't get it cause they work in offices instead of the field every day. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHY. Go Figure Given The Market Potential and the Need for more Efficient, Productive Products that will allow us to accomplish our daily tasks with greater speed and effectiveness.
There is Another Manufacturer that is willing to Look at the Dooly BUT I am going to give Little Wonder the opportunity to put together A Package to License the Idea Exclusively as long as their Price and percentage is fair and upright.
As you well know Little Wonder does not have a Backpack Blower and is Willing to Look at the Potential of this New Innovative Backpack.:cool2:
GOD Knows that if I had the Finances I would Build and Manufacture it Myself and Sell the Dooly to the WORLD.:clapping:

I will Not be Promoting the Dooly after this Month because of the monthly cost, my reason for purchasing these Thread discussions was to generate interest and get feedback so the Manufacturers would see the Viability and desire for Such a Blower as The Dooly. Hopefully you all can still give feedback and keep the thread going.:)
THANK YOU EVERYONE SO VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SUPPORT , COMMENTS AND ENCOURAGEMENT . MAY THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU SAFE.
Contact me @ www.TwindStorm.com OR TwindStorm@gmail.com:usflag:

demhustler
10-25-2009, 04:56 PM
on expo - make blowing bricks contest - on some ditch, stairs or flower bad - let engineers push this 3wheel unstable and unmanageable on slopes wonder - or see if they could manage not flip it few times : ))))