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deitleman
09-14-2009, 09:07 PM
Hi- I'm in the market for a used pick up truck. I need it to be able to pull a 12 foot open trailer, with a 60" ZTR, push mowers, trimmers, etc. I will eventually want to put a plow on it too. I was looking at Ford F-150's, V8 engine, between the years of 2000-2004. A friend recently suggested that I consider the F-250, for fear of the 150's transmission not holding up for what I want to use it for. What do you all think? (I know not everyone's a Ford guy, so feel free to change the question to a Chevy or Dodge 1500 vs 2500). Thanks

BJWLAWNCARE
09-14-2009, 09:18 PM
you'll be sorry if you don't get a 250 believe me. Bigger brakes, axles everything you name it. I wouldn't even think of plowing witha 150. I use a 03 250 it has 50,000 on it. I bought it with the off road package snow plow package and the tow package and am very happy.

silverado212
09-14-2009, 09:22 PM
I run a 2500 Chevy 4x4 6.0L gas. Wish I had the diesel, but otherwise love it. If for nothing else get a 3/4 ton or 1 ton for the brakes.

SNAPPER MAN
09-14-2009, 11:56 PM
A F-150 is more than adequate for that. We have a F-150 we use alot. Sure it doesn't have the power of my 250 diesel but it also cost alot less. Start with a 150 and work your way up.

Impressions Landscaping
09-15-2009, 12:15 AM
I don't understand why everyone thinks that a 3/4 ton or one ton pick-up for that matter will PLOW better than a half ton truck. Other than being able to hang a bigger plow off the front of a 3/4 ton truck, a half ton does just fine. I have a half ton chevy with a million miles on it, and it plows great, tows great, of course it doesn't haul as well as my 3/4 ton or 1-ton, but for someone that needs to tow a small trailer and maybe use the truck as a daily driver, a half ton truck is more than enough for some people. If you need to upgrade in the future you can always look into a one ton dump for work and use the pick up for smaller jobs and personal use.

bohiaa
09-15-2009, 08:32 AM
you cant haul that equipment with a 150. you will really open your self up to a law suite

Lazer Cut
09-15-2009, 11:58 AM
I pull a 16ft trailer, blower/trimmers, grandstand and toro proline, 3 ft walls on my trailer, (trailer weight 1820lbs empty) and my f150 4.6 pulls it just fine.

Lawn Shark prop mgmt LLC
09-15-2009, 01:38 PM
With that equipment and trailer you are well under the towing capacity of a v-8 equipped f-150. It will tow it easily, dont have any idea why someone would say that you would open yourself up to a lawsuit. ?

bohiaa
09-15-2009, 09:10 PM
With that equipment and trailer you are well under the towing capacity of a v-8 equipped f-150. It will tow it easily, dont have any idea why someone would say that you would open yourself up to a lawsuit. ?

It's Very Simple..... It's called stopping

MileHigh
09-15-2009, 09:19 PM
Plowing is not recommended for 1/2 ton trucks.

It usually consists over loading your front end (FGVW)

My f-150 has a 3600# front end axle rating...I overload it everytime the truck gets sent out to plow...My personal plow truck is a f250...can basically put any plow I want on it, and still have 2500+ pounds of salt back there.

If you wanna plow...stay away from the independent front end suspension of half tons, and go with a solid front axle truck like a f250.

Don't forget about diesel.

Lawn Shark prop mgmt LLC
09-15-2009, 09:44 PM
It's Very Simple..... It's called stopping

LOL the truck will stop great with that load,,,i have had 2 f150 with over 300,000 towing miles. They stop that much of a load great, it is also under the towing capacity, and with 4 wheel disc brakes it isnt any problem stopping. I dont have a clue about plowing with one as i have always lived in fl.

BadRancher
09-15-2009, 09:56 PM
The Nissan Titan is a good 1/2 ton. Plenty of power to tow. 2004-2007 have 305 HP 2008-current have 315 HP. They are rated to tow up to 9000 lbs. Other than that I would try to find a '98 or earlier Chevy or GMC with the (350) 5.7 Vortec or throttle body.

My '98 GMC Z71 has 226,000 miles and still runs and pulls great. Nissan is about the only truck on the market that comes STANDARD with a real motor and doesn't rip you a new ass on price. You could probably find a good one for 10,000 or less.

If you get a 3/4, go with a F250 with a powerstroke 7.3 diesel. Those models owned any other 3/4 ton on the road and were very reliable. Not unusual to get 250,000-300,000 miles without any problems.

Smithco Lawncare
09-16-2009, 01:31 AM
best choice would probly be the f750

STIHL GUY
09-19-2009, 12:24 AM
a 250 would be better for what your planning on using it for

STIHL GUY
09-19-2009, 12:25 AM
best choice would probly be the f750

that would do the trick

KGR landscapeing
09-19-2009, 08:05 AM
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actually its forsale i am going to pick out my new 2010 f150 monday if the deal is right

whoopassonthebluegrass
09-19-2009, 09:36 AM
F150 and F250 run the same transmission, people. E40D unit. Very well built tranny.

That being said, I used to run a 1/2 ton. Now I run a 1 ton. I'd never go back. As previously mentioned: the brakes and suspension are the key difference - and they're absolutely worth it.

jblatti13
09-19-2009, 06:42 PM
i dont pull a trailer, but i plow with a 91 chevy 1500. most times i have 1000+ lbs of salt in the bed, and ive never had any problems. last winter we had some pretty good snow, i ran 8 hours straight pushing 6 inches of wet snow, with the salt in the bed. older chevys and fords are beast, i have an 05 ford f150 as well and i wouldnt want to put a blade on the front, but if i had to, i would. i dont think these trucks have any problems pushing snow. ive pulled a trailer with the f150 , a 20 ft open trailer hauling scrap metal, full to the brim and it stopped just fine. dont know why these guys are telling you theres a lawsuit waiting, but to each his own.

LilesLawn
09-19-2009, 08:17 PM
I run mostly F-250's but the new F-150's are suprisingly ballsy. With the load you are talking about, you should be able to run a half ton. The two half ton truck s we have are equipped with electric brake controllers so that we can safely stop, but other than that tidbit, I think you should be fine.

gogreenmaureen
09-21-2009, 01:34 PM
I'm not a truck expert, but I've seen F150s on the road with ez dumps or boards built on sides to hold grass/leaves. The trucks front is lifted and the back is bent down. I would say from the weight of the grass. We have never used a F150 because of that. We've had F250s with no problems. And now have F350 and 3500 Chevy dump. Maybe for pulling a light trailer which my husband did years ago. But not filling the back.

KGR landscapeing
09-21-2009, 01:45 PM
I'm not a truck expert, but I've seen F150s on the road with ez dumps or boards built on sides to hold grass/leaves. The trucks front is lifted and the back is bent down. I would say from the weight of the grass. We have never used a F150 because of that. We've had F250s with no problems. And now have F350 and 3500 Chevy dump. Maybe for pulling a light trailer which my husband did years ago. But not filling the back.

i can put 3yrd of anything in my 150 with out putting it on the bump stops. with that said its rated 8500 gvw

RLS24
09-22-2009, 10:51 PM
I have an older 250, nothing but good things to say about it. You should be fine towing, with that. Guy at my firehall has a huge twin axle (prob should be 3) 5th wheel camper he tows with a 150 and it doesnt sag at all. no timbrens or anything. I couldnt believe it the first time I saw it. however you have to think of all the aspects of what we do in this business: towing the trailer with the bed full of grass, hauling mulch, dirt, debris, etc. Loading the bed up is where you are gonna wish you had a 250. I also wouldnt plow with one either. You would be amazed how much a few hundred pounds hanging off the front of that truck changes the driving characteristics.

slicknick
09-23-2009, 12:59 AM
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actually its forsale i am going to pick out my new 2010 f150 monday if the deal is right

I live in rocky river. How much for your truck?

Hanau
09-23-2009, 01:28 AM
Don't under estimate a half ton. It's surprising what they'll handle.

The oldest truck I have is an 82 F-150. It's an animal. Has a 351W, 4 speed, and 4 wheel drive.

It used to be in the fleet and I made beaucoup dollars with it. Which allowed me to buy 1 tons.

Since you're new to this business I'll let you in on a secret, don't tell anyone. That $1500 truck made as much money as a $35,000 truck. See son, in the contracting game we buy fancy trucks to impress other contractors. Not to make more money. That old Ford has never broken down. It's not the age of your truck, it's the shape it's in, how you drive it, and how you take care of it. You see, when other contractors see you roll in a truck like that 82 Ford they'll think you're a bum or a hack. When they see you roll in an 09 Silverado 3500HD they think you're hot stuff. It's all a game. Do you want to play?

Now the old girl is semi-retired. I still keep her lettered and commercially tagged for old times sake. These days though the hardest she works is hauling me, Mt Dew, and chainsaws to the woods for a day of cutting up a cord or so. One of these days I'm gonna fix her up nice and give her a warm dry garage to live in. Someday...

There's nothing wrong with starting out with a half ton, long as you know the limits.

Here's a few pics of the old girl from when I picked her up at the dealers lot:

deitleman
09-23-2009, 04:53 PM
Don't under estimate a half ton. It's surprising what they'll handle.

The oldest truck I have is an 82 F-150. It's an animal. Has a 351W, 4 speed, and 4 wheel drive.

It used to be in the fleet and I made beaucoup dollars with it. Which allowed me to buy 1 tons.

Since you're new to this business I'll let you in on a secret, don't tell anyone. That $1500 truck made as much money as a $35,000 truck. See son, in the contracting game we buy fancy trucks to impress other contractors. Not to make more money. That old Ford has never broken down. It's not the age of your truck, it's the shape it's in, how you drive it, and how you take care of it. You see, when other contractors see you roll in a truck like that 82 Ford they'll think you're a bum or a hack. When they see you roll in an 09 Silverado 3500HD they think you're hot stuff. It's all a game. Do you want to play?

Now the old girl is semi-retired. I still keep her lettered and commercially tagged for old times sake. These days though the hardest she works is hauling me, Mt Dew, and chainsaws to the woods for a day of cutting up a cord or so. One of these days I'm gonna fix her up nice and give her a warm dry garage to live in. Someday...

There's nothing wrong with starting out with a half ton, long as you know the limits.

Here's a few pics of the old girl from when I picked her up at the dealers lot:

I gotta say, I enjoyed and appreciated the above post more than any other I've read since coming on the site. Lot of good advice on trucks from many different people on this post. Thank you. I'm not one for flash, which is good, because my budget would never allow me anyway. I try to pay cash for everything, and don't even believe in credit cards. With that said, it sounds like all agree that the 250 would be better if I can swing it, but the 150 can do the job starting out, if I'm smart about it. I'm still searching, and towing a 4x8 open trailer with a Jeep Cherokee 4X4 in the meantime... I'm looking to improve on my vehicle, and size of my trailer and ZTR by spring. The trucks 1st priority, in hopes of getting a few plow accounts.

Hanau
09-23-2009, 07:30 PM
I don't want to turn you off buying a newer truck, honestly I don't. It is all a game though. I'll charge $45 a week to cut a lawn whether I'm dragging my trailer there with the 82 Ford or the 09 Silverado. It's still $45 a week. I just like playing the game. The game is fun.

When I roll into the diner in the morning I like having a new truck. It's cool to have the other contractors give you a nod, ask what you got going. Being one of the guys that the pups want to be. That's the game.

Now since you're a pup I'd look hard for a pair of 1987 to 1991 Ford F-250 4x4's with a gas motor. Preferably a 351W.

You'll have fuel injection and the truck will light off easily enough on cold days. They're well built. Admittedly they're short on creature comforts.

Look hard enough and you'll see decent trucks in the $2K range.

Insurance will be cheaper, designate one truck as your plow truck. You'll kill it with salt. Designate the other one your landscaping truck. Keep that one pretty for going on estimates. Maaco paints trucks for $200. White is good. Easy to letter.

Run em for 2 years, bank your money. Then buy 2 brand new 1 ton, diesel, crew cab, dually 4x4's with cash. Roll into the lot, pick out two, and write a check.

That's what I did.

g21
09-23-2009, 10:55 PM
Please get at least a 3/4 ton! If you're going to plow commercially, there are definate liabilities associated with having improper equipment. There is no 1/2 ton on the market that I know of that is rated for commercial plowing. You will never be able to have a sander on it without altering the suspension which will void any warranties and add additional liability on you. It would be better for you to get a truck that is a year or two older but made for what you are doing. Depending on how much plowing you do, you should even look at an F-350!

Glenn Lawn Care
09-23-2009, 11:10 PM
A F-150 is more than adequate for that. We have a F-150 we use alot. Sure it doesn't have the power of my 250 diesel but it also cost alot less. Start with a 150 and work your way up.

thanks for saying that!

gogreenmaureen
09-23-2009, 11:48 PM
And I second that. A F150 wasn't made for that kind of work. Try to find a F350 your better off.

stroker51
09-24-2009, 12:32 AM
I've still got the truck I started with, an 84 F250 4x4 4 speed with a 351windsor. And what was said before is so true, that old truck made me a lot of money back when it was in regular service. Now we run powerstrokes, two F250's and a F350. The newest is an 01, the other two are 96's. The 96 F250 we use everyday never ceases to amaze me. I bought it with 140k and some miles, not have 230, and pull a trailer everday all summer, has a plow and salter on in the winter (slightly overweight maybe??), and has been PAID for since mid 06. Sometimes I'd love to have a nice new truck, but then again, they are work trucks, and I have no problem running nice looking older trucks, I've been told it actually kind of helps us stand out so there ya go. To your original question, haha, I think I would try to find an older body style F350 powerstroke single wheel, I say F350 so you will have a solid front axle and not have the $$ tied up in a front end re build like I just did on my old 250.

Hanau
09-24-2009, 12:38 AM
Stroker,

Got a pic of your 84? The 80 to 86 trucks are arguably the ugliest trucks Ford ever built. They did build them well though. 406,000 miles on my 82. 3 engines that I know of, original trans. Third is a little wonky. Tight ship for the miles. I know all the previous owners actually.

Originally the truck was real pimp. It was gold paint, lots of chrome, with a gold velour interior. 1980's fashion at its best.

rm25x
09-24-2009, 09:58 AM
Take a day or weekend and head a few states at least down south. You will find a good selection of trucks that haven't seen the harsh winters. I just did that a couple weeks ago and brought back a '95 Chevy Z71 that doesn't even look like its 5 years old, under side and all.

stroker51
09-24-2009, 11:06 PM
I wish I did, probably ought to just take one. I never did think they were all that ugly, I'll try to kinda describe it 4x4, red regular cab with an aluminum flatbed and wheels. Not a bad looking old truck. It's just waiting on some help, gets hot with a plow on, gettin a little rusty but still is great for cutting wood and using for light duty in the business....long term plans include some body work and a 12v cummins with a 5 speed. I personally think the 92-97 250/350's are some of the best looking trucks Ford ever made, got two of em, haha. I will say my Super Duty is a lot more comfy to drive, but you just cant beat the older ones imo.

stroker51
09-24-2009, 11:09 PM
Oh, and the interior in mine sounds a little classier than yours was, gray dash/door panels and a red seat I got out of a newer model, like 88 or so, but over the years, before it carried a salter for me and the body was a little more stout, I did get quite a few compliments on the old girl.

Xpertise_Landscaping
10-03-2009, 01:58 AM
If you plan on plowing, 3/4 ton for sure. Beefier suspension, bigger motor, and just built tougher. No questions asked

ZKSLAWN
10-03-2009, 04:05 PM
i have a f150 i cant plow due to the 2wd but i tow a good 2000lbs.. never have a problem even when i'm pulling the boat out of the ramp. just take it slow have yet to spin the tires all summer.. so the f150 should be fine towing but plowing i would go with at least the 250 by buddy plows with the dodge 1500 but all residential accounts he likes it but he said he would get bigger if he could .. so i say at least a 250/2500 and go from there.. you can find a good deal just look on craigslist

mowerbrad
10-03-2009, 05:43 PM
There are a couple guys at my fire dept that plow. 2 of them use chevy 1500's (2001 body style) that are single cab, short beds. They have plowed with them for years. But there are also a couple guys that have 3/4 tons, both chevy/gmc 2500's, one gas and one diesel. If you plow a lot of commercial parking lots, you will want a 3/4 ton just so you can put the v-plows on it. But if your doing just residential drive ways, a 1/2 will do you okay. Like others have said the 3/4 tons have their benefits, but when you are just starting a good 3/4 ton isn't always in the budget.

I don't plow but I do have a 98 GMC 2500 diesel. If you get a diesel be prepared to drop some serious coin when you have repairs. I just found out I have to have a new fuel injector pump installed, thats going to cost me $2000. It has plenty of power but cost a lot of money to run it.

BeSeenGraphics
10-09-2009, 09:40 AM
If you plan on plowing, 3/4 ton for sure. Beefier suspension, bigger motor, and just built tougher. No questions asked

I agree 100%! I bought a 1/2 ton Silverado and regretted it the second I found out that all I could put on it for a plow was a snow shovel!

tmf lawn care
10-09-2009, 02:28 PM
go with a 350. that wat im get now. it a red crew cab 7.3 power stroke. long bed lifton 39". It will get a a 9' boss v plow. and it a 97

mikes landscaping
10-21-2009, 05:54 PM
F150 and F250 run the same transmission, people. E40D unit. Very well built tranny.

That being said, I used to run a 1/2 ton. Now I run a 1 ton. I'd never go back. As previously mentioned: the brakes and suspension are the key difference - and they're absolutely worth it.

Lets get out of the stone age......E40d stopped being used in 97. anyy 2000 or up will have a different tranny. A 250 will have the 4r100. I have a 2000 4x4 powerstroke. auto tranny with 163k and its going strong. got an 8 foot plow on it too.

deitleman
11-14-2009, 10:47 PM
Well, I finally bought my truck... It's a 2000 Ford F-150 super cab, 4.6 L V8 4X4, with 110,000 miles. I decided it was enough to tow a trailer with a 60" ZTR. I won't be putting a plow on it, I just couldn't afford a 3/4 ton and a plow right now. Going with a snow blower, hopefully making some money, and upgrading everything when I'm able. I'd like to buy a 1 ton dump with a plow in a couple years... Anyhow, thanks for all the great advice everyone.

Clean N Green
11-20-2009, 12:07 AM
Good Luck and remember we are in business to make money not to see who can spend the most

milkie62
11-29-2009, 03:13 AM
KGR landscaping : My recollection tells me that the biggest 150 I seen is 7700 GVW . Now when you say you can carry 3 yds of anything you are wrong.3 yds of soil is right around 6000 lbs and if it is wet even more.A 150 must weigh somewhere between 3500 -4500 lbs empty.Now add your 3 yds of top soil which will put it at over 9500 lbs plus about 200 lbs with you in the driver seat. She will be squatting.

kemco
12-02-2009, 11:51 PM
I pull a 14x7 open trailer loaded with ztrs, landscaper cage etc, with my 06 silverado crew cab with a 5.3 vortec. I dont really even feel the trailer. Now pulling my 12' dump trailer (3000 lbs empty) with 7' sides loaded with leaves is a different story - wish I had a larger truck with 4-wheel drive. Guess it depends on what you will pulling more often. I only pull my dump trailer about 4 months out of the year.

MLAWCARE
12-07-2009, 01:22 AM
Hi- I'm in the market for a used pick up truck. I need it to be able to pull a 12 foot open trailer, with a 60" ZTR, push mowers, trimmers, etc. I will eventually want to put a plow on it too. I was looking at Ford F-150's, V8 engine, between the years of 2000-2004. A friend recently suggested that I consider the F-250, for fear of the 150's transmission not holding up for what I want to use it for. What do you all think? (I know not everyone's a Ford guy, so feel free to change the question to a Chevy or Dodge 1500 vs 2500). Thanks

I pull a 20 foot open trailer with two riding mowers, push mower, trimmers, etc with a 2007 F-150 with a 4.2 liter V-6. It hauls very nicely I get pretty bad gas mileage about 16.5 all the time so if I was you I would just get the bigger engine anyways.

helidriver
12-08-2009, 12:17 AM
You could use a half ton to do the work. I dont see why in this economy you dont take advantage of the dealers need to move trucks and take cash if you can and go buy a f250 and just smack the money down and show em you got money. I buy like that all the time. I pull the cash...all of it out and put it on the desk. I have purchased $18,000 trucks for $14000 cash....The dealer makes me write a check but You wouldnt believe the deals that come to light when you show large amounts of cash.
I purchased my personal f350 v-10 last year for $12000 less the asking price. It was very lightly used and the dealer sat on it for some time. I just watched and waited. I dont think I have ever made a better purchase in my life. I love the truck. I have a curtiss sno pro 3000 on it and use it for commercial lots and anything else I can. The truck has loads of power and handles every job as if it were a joke. Love the v-10.