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Blue Lakes
09-17-2009, 02:23 PM
I am starting a one man aeration business in Northern California and am trying to decide between the Plugr PL400 and the Lawn Solutions unit. The yards out here are relatively small (on average 1,000 sq ft or less) but the terrain can be fairly hilly. Anyone have experience with both machines and their performance. Is it worth the extra $1,000 for the Lawn Solutions aerator? Any input would be appreciated.

Plug It Lawn Aeration
09-17-2009, 03:08 PM
I have a Pluger PL800 and a Lawn Solutions walk behind. I love my LS unit. I do not like my pluger800. For lawns as small as you are doing, the LS would be far superior because of it's hydro drive and it's ability to aerate in reverse. Lawns that are 1000 sq. ft. will have lots of stops and starts and the reverse, will help you tremendously. Add the fact of aerating everytime you are in reverse, you become that much more productive. You will make up the difference in price less than 2 days. If you have a lot of slope, the pluger will wear you out.

I enjoy using my LS wb and will be looking at purchasing their stand on/rider unit for next year.

Blue Lakes
09-17-2009, 03:20 PM
Thanks for the input. This is exactly the type of information I need.

lawn king
09-17-2009, 03:33 PM
I purchased my LS walk behind this spring. I did demo the ryan,plugr and lesco units. The LS machine is far superior, no question.

Pistol
09-17-2009, 03:40 PM
Blue Lakes - what are the prices for these units? Thanks

Blue Lakes
09-17-2009, 04:10 PM
The cost is $3250.00 plus $150.00 shipping to California.

mdlwn1
09-17-2009, 05:47 PM
No machine will come close to the ability of the Ryan Lawnair 28.

phasthound
09-17-2009, 07:26 PM
I have the Plugger 850HD and like it. I did get it almost for free. :)

If you're looking for new equipment, go to the GIE-EXPO http://www.gie-expo.com/ and test them out.

I'll be at the Nutrients PLUS booth. If you have any interest in great fertilizer, stop by and ask for me. :waving:

khutch
09-20-2009, 10:05 AM
I have a Pluger, but cannot comment on the other. I love it for large flat properties. Hills are no fun, so any hydro I can see an advantage. What are the cost differences?

khutch
09-20-2009, 10:11 AM
Just checked out their web site - Looks like a good unit. No dealers around me to demo however. Price seems fair - it will pay for itself quickly!

LawnSolutionsCP
09-20-2009, 10:33 AM
Just checked out their web site - Looks like a good unit. No dealers around me to demo however. Price seems fair - it will pay for itself quickly!

Howard Brothers (Largest Equipment Dealer in Atlanta) has them right now. They are in Duluth, GA. They also rent them as well.

David

khutch
09-20-2009, 10:41 AM
Great, that's my dealer! I had the 5 mile default on your dealer search and missed it! Going there tomorrow.

Blue Lakes
09-20-2009, 11:59 AM
After reading everyones feedback on Lawnsite.com, I'm going to order my LS aerator tomorrow. Hopefully, it won't take too long to get!

lawn king
09-20-2009, 07:26 PM
Thats a purchase you will never regret.

david shumaker
09-25-2009, 11:07 PM
I have a Plugr PL800 and it's fast on large flat yards, but I also need a smaller easier to use aerator for small yards with small hills and alot of turns, backing, etc. It's too late in the season now, but I am thinking of getting the Lawn Solutions next year and using a combination of both aerators.

Aleman
09-26-2009, 08:47 PM
I recently bought a Lawn Solutions ride on aerator and love it. Last week, I pulled up to a customers lawn to aerate. I noticed another LCO was aerating a neighbors front lawn with a Plugr. Both lawns were similar size. I unloaded, aerated the lawn and loaded back up and he was still on the front of his lawn.

EastCoast
09-26-2009, 10:31 PM
Excellent..... the age of lawn aeration and seeding has finally changed!!!

lbmd1
09-28-2009, 11:16 PM
For those of you that have used both the plugr and the lawn solutions unit, what is the difference in plug size and depth. Speed means nothing to me if the core plugs are inferior. The plugr may be slower, but it pulls very deep cores.

LawnSolutionsCP
09-29-2009, 08:59 AM
For those of you that have used both the plugr and the lawn solutions unit, what is the difference in plug size and depth. Speed means nothing to me if the core plugs are inferior. The plugr may be slower, but it pulls very deep cores.

You should really go a try one...but be ready to get one. You won't want to use anything else after the demo. Richiey & Clapper on the west side of Boston has our walk-behinds and ride-on machines. Both will pull plugs upto 4" and nomally pulls 3" plugs all day long. You can give them a call and setup a demo.

I'm actually there today. I just dropped off their 4th load of aerators this fall. They are a dealer that actually takes the units out on the road and shows them to customers, puts them in thier hands to try....what a novel idea. Thier #1 comment from customers...."Are you kidding me?" They can't even believe the easy of use and the ability to pull great cores can be and they just did it.

Aleman
09-29-2009, 09:15 AM
I have to reduce the pressure on the ride on because if the customer has watered, the plugs are too deep. I have a Plugr 400 and there is no comparison.

ike1018
09-29-2009, 01:28 PM
I have had my walk behind lawn solutions aerator for a couple of weeks now and it truly has been amazing. I have used it on steep back yards where I would not have even attempted to use a lawnaire and the LS handled it side ways, up & down. It pulls great cores and I was surprised how well it did pulling cores in a few dry spots. The ability to go backwards and turn really makes it easier to get into small places, under swing sets, around plant beds, trees, etc. Although the machine itself is faster and more productive, I believe the big savings is with operator fatigue. The motor is smooth and I even had a customer comment on how quiet it was as they initially were concerned when I arrived because they just put their 2 year old down for nap. It has easily paid for itself.

jfoxtrot9
09-29-2009, 10:41 PM
I have had my walk behind lawn solutions aerator for a couple of weeks now and it truly has been amazing. I have used it on steep back yards where I would not have even attempted to use a lawnaire and the LS handled it side ways, up & down. It pulls great cores and I was surprised how well it did pulling cores in a few dry spots. The ability to go backwards and turn really makes it easier to get into small places, under swing sets, around plant beds, trees, etc. Although the machine itself is faster and more productive, I believe the big savings is with operator fatigue. The motor is smooth and I even had a customer comment on how quiet it was as they initially were concerned when I arrived because they just put their 2 year old down for nap. It has easily paid for itself.

This review is dead on.

This is a pretty amazing machine. I pulled 3" plugs all day long today from 0830-1530. This would of normally kicked my rear. Not with this machine.

khutch
10-04-2009, 05:52 PM
I really like my Plugr machine. I demoed the LS last week and got to use it for a day. Very easy to use, probaby 2 1/2 times efficent that my Plugr. However, I don't think it cores as well and is pretty tough to get used to on hard surfaces and getting on trailers. I would like to see how Plugr HD does on these because I think the cam action of the Plug is superior in pulling cores. After using the LS hydro however, I don't think I can ever use a non-hydro again. Overall, the LS is a very good machine, quite easy to use, and performs very, very well. But I gotta try a Plugr hydro before I buy.....

Exact Rototilling
10-05-2009, 02:37 PM
I really like my Plugr machine. I demoed the LS last week and got to use it for a day. Very easy to use, probaby 2 1/2 times efficent that my Plugr. However, I don't think it cores as well and is pretty tough to get used to on hard surfaces and getting on trailers. I would like to see how Plugr HD does on these because I think the cam action of the Plug is superior in pulling cores. After using the LS hydro however, I don't think I can ever use a non-hydro again. Overall, the LS is a very good machine, quite easy to use, and performs very, very well. But I gotta try a Plugr hydro before I buy.....
Which Plugr do you currently own? I have the Plugr 850 Hydro and frankly I can't imagine running a non Hydro Plugr. Loading and unloading the 850HD is a breeze as well as stopping tine action as you pass over sprinkler or other object you don't want to hit and you don't loose any ground speed in the process. There would be way too much tugging and pulling to position the unit with no Hydro IMO. The ground speed on the Plugrs is slower from what I understand [On larger properties this could really hurt ones bottom line] but yes the 800 and 850 pull a ton of plugs. I advertise my aeration service this way and many have said that kind of marketing won't work but it has. My customers often comment on the noticeable often alarming amount of plugs left. Frankly plug depth on the Plugrs I think is less @ 2.5" - 2.75" Plug depth suffers as the tines get worn down. I go to the extent of letting air out of the back tires and the Plugr tines are only rotated on 4 turns to get the max depth.

With that said if you don't advertise More Plugs with a Plugr then one is probably better off with a faster rolling tine aerator.

The Lawn Solutions aerator is the only rolling tine unit I'd consider buying. What I'm not clear on ..... is the lawn solutions unit powered strictly by the rolling tines or is it powered by the drive wheels? The loading and unloading issue concerns me. Some of the properties I aerate have steep driveways, side yard is an obstacle course full of curbs - walks - stepping stones etc. that would be a total PITA if I had to push and drag the machine around.

FWIW Plugr is updating their Hydro to a 855 and have made it simpler.

LawnSolutionsCP
10-05-2009, 02:43 PM
The tines and front wheels are powered just like your unit.
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lawn king
10-05-2009, 03:07 PM
The lawn solutions machine pulls a $hitload of deep, quality plugs. Its built like a tank, easy to operate and quiet. Once you demo it and compare it to the compeditors machines, your decision will be easy!

Plug It Lawn Aeration
10-06-2009, 10:44 PM
I own a Plugr 800. I hate it. It stays on my trailer as a backup. If my LS ever breaks down, I would seriously consider renting a machine instead of using my Plugr. On the 800, if you have anything, I mean anything other than a flat lawn, you will completely wear yourself out. It's also slow. It doesn't pull itself very quickly either. Not bad if a customer wants two passes. You simply go slow once. Overall, the LS walk behind wins hands down.