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Lawn Man 5
05-02-2002, 11:01 PM
My first Question is: I have a product called total vegitation Killer 101, and i wondered if it would be ok to spray around trees. The trees are about 10 years old. The product does contain 2-4-d.
And nothing is supost to grow for a year. The product comes in a 5 Gallon can and it is diluted 10:1 It runs about 168.00 for the five gallon can.


My second question is: If You spray weeds and grass with deisel fuel will that kill the root or will that come right back.

Tordonista
05-02-2002, 11:22 PM
What does the label say?
Who's the manufacturer, and what is the full name of the product?
Read the whole label.
Use as the label directs.
If you don't understand the label, don't use the product.

Deisel isn't really a very effective herbicide. Stinks, too Leaches real bad. Could get you a nice fine in a lot of places.

Lawn Man 5
05-03-2002, 10:51 PM
The directions Are pretty worthless. All It basically says is that that it has 2-4-d in it, I know you could spray round up around them but since i have this product I wondered if i could use it. It will also keep the growth down for a year. I wouldn't think that it would hurt the tree. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Tordonista
05-03-2002, 11:51 PM
Are you a liscened applicator? It sounds like you just want to use this around your home.
Where did you get it?
Go back to the dealer and ask for dtailed instructions, or call your state Dept. of Agriculture Pesticide department.
Somwhere on that jug is a manufacturer's name. Get help from a professional. Maybe your county extension agent, or County Weed control people.
Tell ya one thing--if it keeps vegetation down for a year, there's more ini it than 24d.
I looked in the greenbook for the name you gave, and came up empty.
there was no paper label with it?
Best get help.
Do the leters RU appear anywhere on it?
It's not Tordon 101 is it?
Don't even let your trees look at that!
Good luck.

tremor
05-05-2002, 10:27 AM
Lawn Man 5,

Is this the stuff? It is cheap to buy, but at these mix rates there is nothing cheap about this stuff. I checked the manufacturers website & found it to be useless. MSDS wasn't working & labels aren't there at all. This company is one of many Janitorial supply companies that know how to package, market, & solicit business from the sometimes "less than savvy" purchasing agents of municipalities/government agencies.
If this is the stuff, I can't for the life of me find anything with the active ingredient listed. If this is it, let me know. Maybe a more thorough search will yield better results.

http://www.prod-chem.com/litsheets/lsht2392.pdf

Steve

Tordonista
05-05-2002, 01:31 PM
Looks like you may as well be spraying deisel. It's volitile, like an ester--at higher temps, the vapors will drift all over the place. I don't know what Metoxy is. I'll look in my books when I get back to the shop.
Certainly not for T or O. certainly not cheap. Good thing in a tank farm, or other industrial area. With a low water table. Good for treating fence posts.
That can't be a legal label. No EPA#, no list of ingrediants. There has to ba label around somewhere. If that's all I had in my records, the Ag guy would shut me down when he came snooping. and the neighbors would get beautiful new landscape jobs, compliments of my former employers. (Who would probably garnishee my paycheck from my new telemarketing job.)
On the up side, it's almost as good a label as Ortho ****. (Ever try to get an MSDS from a home and garden store?) Ortho's smart enough to not put enough AI in their products so it's hard for peopleto get into too much trouble. Or be effective.
Then there's the RoundUp commercials...
Give your State Ag pesticide guy a call.

Tordonista
05-05-2002, 01:37 PM
http://www.prod-chem.com/msds%5Cindex.htm#herbicides

http://www.prod-chem.com/msds/2392.pdf

http://www.prod-chem.com/litsheets/lsht2392.pdf

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=pcc+products+weed+killer+101&btnG=Google+Search

tremor
05-05-2002, 06:48 PM
Now we're talking. Tordonista found the active. Prometon is the same active that's in Pramitol. That being the case the answer is NO. DO NOT spray this stuff around desirable trees. Pramitol hangs around in soil way too long & can therefore leach. This would cause significant & irreversible root damage to many types of trees.
Keep this stuff for vacant lots, industrial fence lines, pump houses, & other veritable wastelands.

Steve

Lawn Man 5
05-20-2002, 09:28 PM
I know it's been awhile,but i'm back. i'm not a licensed aplicator. This is just for the farm i work on. I have talked to the chemical company and they said where ever you spray that will last for a year. So i've been spraying it on just the driveway and it's works great. I mow a few lawns but i don't apply any type of fertilizer or chemicals on any of them. Thanks for all the input.