100 Acres to shred

[TexasFire221]

I have a new customer that I started mowing for today. When I get there I also tell them I do Holiday Lighting, they are more than likely going to buy about $8,000 worth. Then he tells me he has some land he needs shred and told me I could do it if I wanted. I told him sure I would love to. He takes me out on his Ranger and its dang near 100 acres. He says "just start when ever" How long is it going to take to shred 100 acres? Im guessing I will probably use a 8' maybe 10'. Anyone ever cut this much? He never asked a price, he just told me to do it.

[Junior M]

what do you mean "shred"?

[Hanau]

You talking about tractor mowing?

[TexasFire221]

Jesus this thread went crazy! Its all pasture grass and yes it needs to be shredded. Just curious how long it takes to shred that much grass area. Im not too sure about the cow skulls, maybe a few armadillo or raccoon!

[Hanau]

So you're going to tractor mow it?

[badbart]

I think that's what we all call "mowing" or "Bush Hogging". Unless you're talking about a high speed mulcher?

[W.L.M.]

brush hog 100 acres? A farmer would be able to tell you easily but if I had to guess with an 8 ft brush hog it would take 3 weeks solid.

[TexasFire221]

I guess Texans use different language around here. We call it shredding, and yes with a tractor. I was figuring on 2 weeks, maybe a week and half with 12 hour days. He has a wildlife exempt tag for it so only grass can be mowed. We have to leave all cactus and ground cover as in mesquite. Im thinking of charging by the hour instead of by the job. He really wasnt concerned he just said start next week if you want.

[howierd3866]

I guess Texans use different language around here. We call it shredding, and yes with a tractor. I was figuring on 2 weeks, maybe a week and half with 12 hour days. He has a wildlife exempt tag for it so only grass can be mowed. We have to leave all cactus and ground cover as in mesquite. Im thinking of charging by the hour instead of by the job. He really wasnt concerned he just said start next week if you want.

he might if you turn in hours for 2 weeks...2 to 3 days at the most

[TexasFire221]

Two or three days?

[Turf Dawg]

Two weeks sounds like a heck of a long time. Back when I was mowing pastures in the 80's on anything 40 acres and up was 7.00 an acre [and farm diesel was 60 something cents a gallon] and 100 acres with out a lot of obstacles would just take me a couple of days. For the pasture mowing I used a 2010 JD Row Crop and a 10' drag Bush Hog mower. Just thinking out loud, but why would he just not get someone to bale the grass. If it was good grass he could try to get someone to do it on the halves or even give them the hay.

Now back to watching my beloved Aggie's getting their butt kicked by themselves and the Hog Heads.

[Hanau]

Got a solution for you.

[Junior M]

Got a solution for you.
How about this, its more fun for us firefighters, cheaper and quicker!

http://i480.photobucket.com/albums/rr164/JLM88_bucket/fire.jpg

[puppypaws]

I have a new customer that I started mowing for today. When I get there I also tell them I do Holiday Lighting, they are more than likely going to buy about $8,000 worth. Then he tells me he has some land he needs shred and told me I could do it if I wanted. I told him sure I would love to. He takes me out on his Ranger and its dang near 100 acres. He says "just start when ever" How long is it going to take to shred 100 acres? Im guessing I will probably use a 8' maybe 10'. Anyone ever cut this much? He never asked a price, he just told me to do it.

It would take me about 10 hrs. at 7 mph with this, it will take over twice as long with an 8' rotary cutter and smaller tractor, probably in the 24 hr. range. I would mow it for a $1000.00 but there is a great deal of difference in riding in an A/C cab with an air ride seat and stereo, you aren't even tired when you finish.

[Hawkshot99]

It would take me about 10 hrs. at 7 mph with this, it will take over twice as long with an 8' rotary cutter and smaller tractor, probably in the 24 hr. range. I would mow it for a $1000.00 but there is a great deal of difference in riding in an A/C cab with an air ride seat and stereo, you aren't even tired when you finish.

That is a mower!

[1993lx172]

It would take me about 10 hrs. at 7 mph with this, it will take over twice as long with an 8' rotary cutter and smaller tractor, probably in the 24 hr. range. I would mow it for a $1000.00 but there is a great deal of difference in riding in an A/C cab with an air ride seat and stereo, you aren't even tired when you finish.

Stupid question, but what are those two tanks for? In case of a grass fire or something?

[puppypaws]

Stupid question, but what are those two tanks for? In case of a grass fire or something?

If I pull a planter or drill I can carry 400 gallons of spray solution to broadcast a grass and broad-leaf herbicide behind the implement. This tractor pulls a 6 row no-till planter or a 15 no-till drill or the rotary cutter it is hooked to. I had just finished chopping 200 acres of corn stalks.

This tractor is 225 hp and pulls a 550 bushel grain cart or a 12 row planter. It will pull a 30' rotary cutter, she has the power.

[TexasFire221]

Yea the more I think about it 2 weeks is a heck of a long time. As said before he has a permit for the place so there are rules. He can only cut certain times of the year and all the grass cant be cut. It has to be cut in rows. I am a firefighter as well so yes the prescribed burn would be much faster and look alot nicer!

[Junior M]

Yea the more I think about it 2 weeks is a heck of a long time. As said before he has a permit for the place so there are rules. He can only cut certain times of the year and all the grass cant be cut. It has to be cut in rows. I am a firefighter as well so yes the prescribed burn would be much faster and look alot nicer!
prescribed burn?! I was thinking just drop a match and haul ass back to the station for a truck cause its gonna go quick.. :laugh:

[puppypaws]

Got a solution for you.

I like that picture, it reminds me of a large group of bulls standing there looking down in the pasture at a herd of 150 heifers. One young bull says, "look at that, lets run down and get us one of them" and the old bull looks over and says, "lets just walk down there and get them all."

[topsites]

Two or three days?

What he's trying to tell you is...
The homeowner said he had no concerns about money.

But what he means is he had no CLUE as to your hourly rate so if you were thinking 2-3 weeks, he was thinking 2-3 days (at the MOST)!.

Either way, it doesn't matter, not to scare you or talk you out of the work but I
would highly suggest you better clear that price with him before you start.

Else it could be trouble...

Now for the question of the year...
Do you own any such kind of equipment?

prescribed burn?! I was thinking just drop a match and haul ass back to the station for a truck cause its gonna go quick.. :laugh:

LOL!

[JB1]

well at least he's not using a slasher.

[Scagguy]

Tell me what kind of tractor and the width of your shredder.....I'll come up with a reasonable answer for you. Grew up on a west Texas farm....so yeah...I know what it takes.

[puppypaws]

Tell me what kind of tractor and the width of your shredder.....I'll come up with a reasonable answer for you. Grew up on a west Texas farm....so yeah...I know what it takes.

You can roughly add or subtract 17% for every 1 mph up or down.

5' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 3.09 ac per hr

6' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 3.71 ac per hr

7' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 4.33 ac per hr

8' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 4.95 ac per hr

10' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 6.18 ac per hr

12' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 7.42 ac per hr

15' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 9.27 ac per hr

[Charles]

I wouldn't tackle this unless I had a 12' bushhog with 80 to 100 hp. Probably take 33 to 40 hours. Too bad it is not a hay field. I am guessing it is just weeds?. People around here bail hay for free and sell the hay. Good for you if it is just weeds. That is if you can get the right equipment so it can be profitable and reasonable. All depends on what the customer is willing to pay and how much time you have

[Charles]

You can roughly add or subtract 17% for every 1 mph up or down.

5' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 3.09 ac per hr

6' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 3.71 ac per hr

7' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 4.33 ac per hr

8' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 4.95 ac per hr

10' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 6.18 ac per hr

12' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 7.42 ac per hr

15' cut @ 6 mph @ 85% efficiency = 9.27 ac per hr

These are factors that can make the above figures accurate or inaccurate:

How much HP your tractor has.
The contour of the land. Is it a rough ride? Hilly?
How high your tractor sits for comfort.
Trees to go around?

[White Gardens]

I would just find a small utility tractor and a sickle mower to do it, then offer to mow it 2-3 times a year.

It would take a long time but you would get good results. A sickle mower doesn't necessarily need a lot of power to run good as long as all the teeth are sharp.

I'm skeptical on how many acres it is, I'd like to see pics. 100 acres is something like a 1/2 mile by 1/4 mile or somewhere around that.

I agree with the other posts about bailing it. Might as well try to talk to some farmers in the area who would want to bale it 3-4 times a year as long as it's not full of weeds. Wouldn't be the best hay, but wouldn't go to waste either.


Puppy Paws, that's some great farm pics, I knew what the saddle tanks were for. You don't see too many farmers with those anymore.

[TexasFire221]

I would just find a small utility tractor and a sickle mower to do it, then offer to mow it 2-3 times a year.

It would take a long time but you would get good results. A sickle mower doesn't necessarily need a lot of power to run good as long as all the teeth are sharp.

I'm skeptical on how many acres it is, I'd like to see pics. 100 acres is something like a 1/2 mile by 1/4 mile or somewhere around that.

I agree with the other posts about bailing it. Might as well try to talk to some farmers in the area who would want to bale it 3-4 times a year as long as it's not full of weeds. Wouldn't be the best hay, but wouldn't go to waste either.


Puppy Paws, that's some great farm pics, I knew what the saddle tanks were for. You don't see too many farmers with those anymore.


What is there to be skeptical about? Do you think im making all this up? The field is all weeds so baling would not be reasonable. Like I said before, he has a wildlife permit for the place and there is a notebook that he has with 100 page of rules and regulations. It can only be cut between the months of Sept. and Feb. The land is pretty flat with almost no trees. The weeds/grass is only about a ft tall. It has to be cut in strips. Making one pass then skipping the next to leave some ground cover so actually I guess there is really only about 50 acres to cut.

[JB1]

quite a difference between 50 an 100 acres.

[topsites]

I'm skeptical on how many acres it is, I'd like to see pics. 100 acres is something like a 1/2 mile by 1/4 mile or somewhere around that.

That crossed my mind as well, one of the first things, but there are so many
ramifications I didn't know where to start with this one LOL.

I'm guessing 100 acres is 4.356 million ...
Square feet.

What is there to be skeptical about? Do you think im making all this up?

No man, the problem is YOU need to know, for yourself, somehow, some kind of way, how many acres it really is.
Because speaking for myself, I have a hard time telling just by looks, much past an acre how big a lot of land it is...
I can usually guesstimate it pretty close UP to 4 acres but the bigger it gets, the larger the room for error.

quite a difference between 50 an 100 acres.

That's a problem also, although it would likely benefit the Lco but it doesn't make it any prettier.
Fact is, maybe I can say the chances are a good 50/50 it could be anywhere from 50 to 200 acres in actuality, or thereabouts.
Now that's not calling the customer a liar, but it wouldn't be the first time 'someone' grossly miss-estimated the size of a parcel of land.

Because...
What are you going to do, when half way into it you start to wondering if it's really 200 acres?

There's no way to tell this horse by just looking at it, not even driving around it all day,
not unless you got experience in determining land of this size.

That's the problem, it's for your protection but the customer's as well, just to calm the jitters if this were my job
I would like to have something more than the customer's word on what exactly the size of the land is.

sorry to rant.

[topsites]

On another quick note, no matter how you cut it (pun intended), I believe
you can plan on something along the lines of ~$20 an acre or thereabouts,
and that's whether it takes two days or two months.

That's just guessing, being that the price seems to bottom out around that once we get much past 8-10 acres...
Some folks might say 15, others may say 25, and anywhere in between as well, fine, but I'm saying thereabouts.
And maybe not, maybe it's low (although I don't think it's that bad either).
Because I do know, 2-3 weeks at 8 hours a day x 5-6 days a week at $60 an hour ain't gonna fly.
I know the customer said money is no object but try and quote the customer some of that and see what the man says.

[TexasFire221]

That crossed my mind as well, one of the first things, but there are so many
ramifications I didn't know where to start with this one LOL.

I'm guessing 100 acres is 4.356 million ...
Square feet.



No man, the problem is YOU need to know, for yourself, somehow, some kind of way, how many acres it really is.
Because speaking for myself, I have a hard time telling just by looks, much past an acre how big a lot of land it is...
I can usually guesstimate it pretty close UP to 4 acres but the bigger it gets, the larger the room for error.



That's a problem also, although it would likely benefit the Lco but it doesn't make it any prettier.
Fact is, maybe I can say the chances are a good 50/50 it could be anywhere from 50 to 200 acres in actuality, or thereabouts.
Now that's not calling the customer a liar, but it wouldn't be the first time 'someone' grossly miss-estimated the size of a parcel of land.

Because...
What are you going to do, when half way into it you start to wondering if it's really 200 acres?

There's no way to tell this horse by just looking at it, not even driving around it all day,
not unless you got experience in determining land of this size.

That's the problem, it's for your protection but the customer's as well, just to calm the jitters if this were my job
I would like to have something more than the customer's word on what exactly the size of the land is.

sorry to rant.


I know how many acres it is because I have seen the report from the company. The whole property is 117.63 acres but there is a house on it.

[NkyLawncare]

it will take about 3 full days with an 8 foot bush hog. You can get a bat wing up to 21 foot I think and you could probably get it done in a good day.

[White Gardens]

What is there to be skeptical about? Do you think im making all this up? .........

It has to be cut in strips. Making one pass then skipping the next to leave some ground cover so actually I guess there is really only about 50 acres to cut.

See, now we're getting somewhere.

Now that we know the specifics, then you can make your decision accordingly.

1.) How big the unmowed strips will determine your brush mower width.

2.) Find a tractor that will power it.

3.) Charge accordingly per hour with the type of equipment you use.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, just trying to figure out the details.

But I think you answered your own question with the rules and regulation book you have in hand, and you can calculate how many acres you'll be mowing by a aerial plot map from any farmer resource department in your area. I can't remember for the life of me what the gov organization name is, but it's part of the dept of Ag, and they determine acreage that can be planted of what crop. I know we had one locally when growing up and I'll call my father and figure the name out.

I know they can calculate acreage from aerial photos.

Even A county plot book will help out.

[NkyLawncare]

I forgot to add that I see where people charge $50 per hour to do this. However, that is with their own equipment. IF you are using the customer's equipment, I could see charging $25 per hour.

[TexasFire221]

See, now we're getting somewhere.

Now that we know the specifics, then you can make your decision accordingly.

1.) How big the unmowed strips will determine your brush mower width.

2.) Find a tractor that will power it.

3.) Charge accordingly per hour with the type of equipment you use.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, just trying to figure out the details.

But I think you answered your own question with the rules and regulation book you have in hand, and you can calculate how many acres you'll be mowing by a aerial plot map from any farmer resource department in your area. I can't remember for the life of me what the gov organization name is, but it's part of the dept of Ag, and they determine acreage that can be planted of what crop. I know we had one locally when growing up and I'll call my father and figure the name out.

I know they can calculate acreage from aerial photos.

Even A county plot book will help out.


I have all that. I have arial pictures and everything. I am just trying to find out how long it will take with say an 8 ft shredder. I asked a friend and he told be he can shred 20 acres with a 15 ft in 2 hours.

[White Gardens]

I have all that. I have arial pictures and everything. I am just trying to find out how long it will take with say an 8 ft shredder. I asked a friend and he told be he can shred 20 acres with a 15 ft in 2 hours.

Sounds about right for 20 acres, I would say 3 to be on the safe side just for Murphy's Law, that and you never know what you'll run over including holes, old fence posts, etc..... the first time you do it.

So do your calculation from a plot book then, or go get a measuring wheel and figure your acreage. Thumbs Up

[TexasFire221]

Sounds about right for 20 acres, I would say 3 to be on the safe side just for Murphy's Law, that and you never know what you'll run over including holes, old fence posts, etc..... the first time you do it.

So do your calculation from a plot book then, or go get a measuring wheel and figure your acreage. Thumbs Up

I know how many acres, its just over 117. I will provide the equipment. Im guessing $25.00 acre.

[puppypaws]

These are factors that can make the above figures accurate or inaccurate:

How much HP your tractor has.
The contour of the land. Is it a rough ride? Hilly?
How high your tractor sits for comfort.
Trees to go around?

There is no factor that can change the validity of those numbers, the figures are accurate and there is nothing to change those calculations. You can throw all types of variables into the scenario, but you can not change the accuracy of the numbers. I put a constant into the post to allow anyone to change any number and still come up with a correct answer. I would guess people know you must have hp compatible to the cutter you are pulling. If it is rough and you must slow down to 4 mph then take 33% away from the acreage cut per hr.
According to what he said, it is flat Texas land, no hills to worry about.

[TexasFire221]

Just got a quote for someone with a 15ft batwing @$3,200.00

[topsites]

Just got a quote for someone with a 15ft batwing @$3,200.00

So you're not doing it?

[puppypaws]

Just got a quote for someone with a 15ft batwing @$3,200.00

Lord knows, I wish I was there, I will do it twice for that amount of money. Those people are crazy, worse case scenario you can get 8 acres an hr. They are attempting to get $220.00+ an hr. for a 100 hp tractor and a 15' cutter.

I'm going to answer everyone's questions about custom rotary cutting across the US. These are new prices from information gathered across the country by Doane's Marketing Research firm. This will show you the different prices charged for mowing pastures as well as mowing set-aside acres which is exactly what this gentleman is asking you to cut. You can also see the different prices charged for all custom farming applications. This is great information for people that are not involved in this the way I am.

You will see what you are looking for under "miscellaneous, mowing set-aside acres or bush hogging pastures."

[Charles]

There is no factor that can change the validity of those numbers, the figures are accurate and there is nothing to change those calculations. You can throw all types of variables into the scenario, but you can not change the accuracy of the numbers. I put a constant into the post to allow anyone to change any number and still come up with a correct answer. I would guess people know you must have hp compatible to the cutter you are pulling. If it is rough and you must slow down to 4 mph then take 33% away from the acreage cut per hr.
According to what he said, it is flat Texas land, no hills to worry about.

You just named a variable that would change things. If you had to slow down to 4 mph

I get a lot more than that to BH property around here in SC. Talking about your chart

[howierd3866]

Just got a quote for someone with a 15ft batwing @$3,200.00

thats way off still too high..That 64.00 per acre. Wish I was closer...

[Charles]

thats way off still too high..That 64.00 per acre. Wish I was closer...

Maybe for your area but not his? I know I couldn't rent a tractor and BH that size for less than $100 per hour. True, many people in my area work for BH beer money too.
Yea tractors run for cheap until you go to get one repaired $$$$$

[howierd3866]

Lord knows, I wish I was there, I will do it twice for that amount of money. Those people are crazy, worse case scenario you can get 8 acres an hr. They are attempting to get $220.00+ an hr. for a 100 hp tractor and a 15' cutter.

I'm going to answer everyone's questions about custom rotary cutting across the US. These are new prices from information gathered across the country by Doane's Marketing Research firm. This will show you the different prices charged for mowing pastures as well as mowing set-aside acres which is exactly what this gentleman is asking you to cut. You can also see the different prices charged for all custom farming applications. This is great information for people that are not involved in this the way I am.

You will see what you are looking for under "miscellaneous, mowing set-aside acres or bush hogging pastures."

no more like $440.00 per hour..remember he change the acres down to just 50 only every other pass. Also wish Doane Marketing would plese send me there workers/contractor down here I put them to work and I sit at the beach all day and still make money on them.I think what they are saying is for very large areas not small jobs and also I think the prices are base on Agri. type jobs not gov. contracts..but thanks for infor always like to know whats going on out there.

[puppypaws]

You just named a variable that would change things. If you had to slow down to 4 mph

I get a lot more than that to BH property around here in SC. Talking about your chart

There is always a way to get more money, bush hog small areas or work for people that don't know any better or have access to a farmer.

That is not my chart, it came from prices gathered from farmers across the country by a research firm. You know farmers would never take advantage of anyone, they believe in a fair days wage, for a fair days work.

I will agree a lawn maintenance person can charge more for bush hogging, but then again they are not accustomed to cutting hundreds of acres.

[Charles]

There is always a way to get more money, bush hog small areas or work for people that don't know any better or have access to a farmer.

That is not my chart, it came from prices gathered from farmers across the country by a research firm. You know farmers would never take advantage of anyone, they believe in a fair days wage, for a fair days work.

I will agree a lawn maintenance person can charge more for bush hogging, but then again they are not accustomed to cutting hundreds of acres.

Farmers get government subsidies and no taxes. Right? Farmers are a dying breed around here. Selling off there land to commercial and residential developers.
But anyway, I am not hauling a big ole tractor around for peanuts. Sure a lot of acreage is less money per acre with a smaller bushhog. But I would charge a pretty good bit per acre with a 15 footer. Just because I can get it done faster doesn't mean I will cut my prices

[puppypaws]

Farmers get government subsidies and no taxes. Right? Farmers are a dying breed around here. Selling off there land to commercial and residential developers.
But anyway, I am not hauling a big ole tractor around for peanuts. Sure a lot of acreage is less money per acre with a smaller bushhog. But I would charge a pretty good bit per acre with a 15 footer. Just because I can get it done faster doesn't mean I will cut my prices

How do you think farmers could afford $300,000.00 combines and $200,000.00 tractors if they paid taxes and did not bleed the government through subsidies. The government is going to give your money to someone, it may as well be farmers, at least you get to eat, there is a great deal of it turned into "pesos."

I'll bet most people don't know that the "peso" is the real money, it was the first currency to use the $ sign, which the US later adopted for its own use.
A little knowledge gained today, which will help us all later in life when we are owned by the Mexicans.

[topsites]

I already told the guy it would go for between 15 to 20 MAYBE 25 an acre,
but instead he calls around to waste someone else's time.

Fact is he's got selective hearing, so why help the man out, he ain't gonna read that labor chart and if he does he'll ignore it.

Maybe for your area but not his? I know I couldn't rent a tractor and BH that size for less than $100 per hour. True, many people in my area work for BH beer money too.
Yea tractors run for cheap until you go to get one repaired $$$$$

You're right but then we don't RENT equipment to do a job because it's NOT profitable.
What that means is just because you are renting does NOT give YOU the right to charge MORE!

If you have to rent the equipment you either need to let someone with the proper tools handle the job,
or take a hit and eat the difference, because if you think you can get your labor rate plus everything
that's involved out of renting then you're ripping customers off.

Also I don't see how anywhere in the CONUS does the labor rate double or half that of another CONUS area,
you folks talk about different rates for different areas are using that as an excuse to overcharge but it doesn't
make it right, just ask that guy down in Florida what happens.

How do you think farmers could afford $300,000.00 combines and $200,000.00 tractors if they paid taxes and did not bleed the government through subsidies. The government is going to give your money to someone, it may as well be farmers, at least you get to eat, there is a great deal of it turned into "pesos."

You better slow down, if y'all think grass cutting and bush hogging is hard work then you better grab a sickle
and knock those 100 acres out by hand, talk about get up at 4am and work until well past dark with a short
1/2 hour lunch break, the whole job needs to be knocked out like yesterday and if you can do that then
maybe I'll allow you to say you worked hard, and I said maybe because that's still an easy day in farming terms.

I don't think y'all have much of a clue as to how hard exactly most farmers work,
thou I'm guessing most of y'all think what we do is 'hard' work.
I got news for you folks, what we do is considered light agricultural labor,
I don't care how many hours y'all put in sitting on your ass ain't considered hard.

[Charles]

I didn't say I rented Topsite. I have my own tractor.

[E.L.Co]

I guess Texans use different language around here. We call it shredding, and yes with a tractor. I was figuring on 2 weeks, maybe a week and half with 12 hour days. He has a wildlife exempt tag for it so only grass can be mowed. We have to leave all cactus and ground cover as in mesquite. Im thinking of charging by the hour instead of by the job. He really wasnt concerned he just said start next week if you want.

im texan, we buy shredders for our tractors, and texas trophy hunter shirts for our women:laugh: that job is so huge! i would think of a reasonable hourly rate so you dont get screwed bidding by the job. A typical acre takes roughly 25 mins with not many obstacles, providing you have a nice Shredder. (mowing device attached to a tractor for the yanks) :waving: my family members are northern too so dont hate. so roughly 2.75 acres an hour, multiplied by hours in a work day sooo 22 acres a day if your good. 100 acres divided by 22=4.54545454 days, allowing for b.s. one week. expenses iinlcuded you should charge roughly between 7 k and 11 k. cheap and pricy respectably

[E.L.Co]

15 ft batwing!!! i just read it, go break his machine if you want a chance at competing with him lol