Employee's Personal Cell Phones

[procut]

I'm about sick of them. Does anyone have a rule that personal cell phones must be left at the shop.

I think next year this might be something to think about. I know they will be mad, they will hate me, but so be it. Just think of the years there were no cell phones and everyone survived.

I have one guy thats not too bad about it while he should be working but when riding in the truck, he's on the phone constantly. Then his friends/neighbors/family call him and tell him about stupid BS that gets him all worked up, ect. It would be easier if he would just deal with it on his own time.

IDK, just curious if anyone has implemented a no personal cell phones policy and how it worked out?

[Hanau]

Cell phones are part of modern life, I'd be prepared for higher turnover or having to raise wages.

[dwlah]

Ive talked with some other LCOs I know around here the policy is
In the truck OK on the yards no
Main reason being dont want to have to go back and spend time hunting cell phones that fell out of their pocket

[LouisianaLawnboy]

I'm about sick of them. Does anyone have a rule that personal cell phones must be left at the shop.

I think next year this might be something to think about. I know they will be mad, they will hate me, but so be it. Just think of the years there were no cell phones and everyone survived.

I have one guy thats not too bad about it while he should be working but when riding in the truck, he's on the phone constantly. Then his friends/neighbors/family call him and tell him about stupid BS that gets him all worked up, ect. It would be easier if he would just deal with it on his own time.

IDK, just curious if anyone has implemented a no personal cell phones policy and how it worked out?

Riding in the truck he can't do anything to help you. Let him talk on the phone. It helps pass the time.

A better policy would be that "All cell phone are to remain in the company vehicle, unless on specified break"

[DuallyVette]

I don't understand, how & why all these people want to stay so connected. Even in public places, you always hear people talking about how rude, and self important, people talking loudly on cell phones are.

Even while riding in the truck, I find it rude. I often ask , what's so important. Did they need to call their mother for some tips on wiping their butt after lunch. Did Susie update you on what she put on her sandwich for lunch...

I'm paying you...you can talk to me. We'll discuss some little things that you keep missing on the jobs, so that I don't have to check on you...and then, I can pay you like a big, grown-up. I can talk ALL DAY. Some day, you'll get it all right. We'll discuss our plans for the next job, the next day and week.

[MarkintheGarden]

I have had these same issues. I am cool with touching base with people, even two or three times during the day. The problem is when they get distracted with daily bs, or arguing with girlfriends, baby mommas, whoever. It can be a problem in regard to focus, training, and attitude.

If I have to deal with this in the future, it will be the employee's problem and not mine.

[POPO4995]

In the truck only, I dont put up with phones out on jobsites. Bad image in my opinion.

[CLARK LAWN]

i banned cell phones toward the end of last summer best move ive made in a long time. they were p.offed for a while but they got over it. my wife is not alowed to have her phone at work niether are alot of other people i know. from day one now i tell them if they are caught with a cell phone while at work they will be using it to call far a ride because you will be fired on the spot. i tried the only in the truck thing and what i had was guys cutting corners so the could get back to the truck to yack on the phone.
what made me decide to ban them totalywas i was on my phone with a customer talking about a project we were doing and one of the guys gets in a fight with his girlfriend and started to m.f. her loud enough that the customer heard.

[procut]

i banned cell phones toward the end of last summer best move ive made in a long time. they were p.offed for a while but they got over it. my wife is not alowed to have her phone at work niether are alot of other people i know. from day one now i tell them if they are caught with a cell phone while at work they will be using it to call far a ride because you will be fired on the spot. i tried the only in the truck thing and what i had was guys cutting corners so the could get back to the truck to yack on the phone.
what made me decide to ban them totalywas i was on my phone with a customer talking about a project we were doing and one of the guys gets in a fight with his girlfriend and started to m.f. her loud enough that the customer heard.

I agree with every word.

From what I can tell lots of other industries/jobs don't let employees have personal phones, so I don't see why ours should be any differant.

[PROCUT1]

When I had a much larger crew than I do now, they had to be kept at the shop.

Anybody remember the days when if you had to call one of your parents at work it was a BIG THING.

You had better have a darn good reason to call. Someone was in the hospital or the house was on fire. Other than that you waited till they got home.

We are too wired in this country.

I own the place yet my wife will still think twice and make sure its a good reason to call me when Im at work. Its not to call and see "how's my day?" She asks me that when I get home.

If my wife called me 1/10th as often as some of these kids girlfriends do it would drive me nuts.

The amazing part is they dont see anything wrong with it.

I had a guy that used to call his girlfriend EVERY TIME he got back in the truck. On the mowing route this was 25+ times a day. Dammm

[LouisianaLawnboy]

Happy workers = Productive Workers

[DuallyVette]

When I had a much larger crew than I do now, they had to be kept at the shop.

Anybody remember the days when if you had to call one of your parents at work it was a BIG THING.

You had better have a darn good reason to call. Someone was in the hospital or the house was on fire. Other than that you waited till they got home.

We are too wired in this country.





Just what I was going to say.

[DuallyVette]

Happy workers = Productive Workers



According to statistics, people get most of their identity and self satisfaction from their job. Phone people can't seem to make decisions on their own. Monday when my assistant can't decide what he wants for lunch, I'll have him call his mother.

My housekeeper is 45+ years old. She has a Bluetooth in her ear all day talking to her daughters 17,19, & 30. It would drive me nuts. She runs the rest of her life the same way...right into a ditch. I just drive right by my house if her car is in the driveway...I just don't want to hear about it.

On the same note...I enjoy reading the posts on this forum, but someone asks for advice about how to handle a customer with a problem, or employee problem. I wouldn't think to ask...I know what I need to do. Over lunch with a friend I might discuss it, and ask his opinion. I often think that I'm too harsh...but my most successful friends have stringent rules in their business, and NEVER waiver.

[PROCUT1]

Happy workers = Productive Workers

Are you saying I should pay my workers to talk on the phone instead of work?

[AI Inc]

I own the place yet my wife will still think twice and make sure its a good reason to call me when Im at work. Its not to call and see "how's my day?" She asks me that when I get home.



Same here . I talk to my wife on a cell during work hrs about 6-7 times a yr.

[lawnman_scott]

Are you saying I should pay my workers to talk on the phone instead of work?

What kind of work do they do when they are riding in the truck? I think some of you guys who dont work in the winter should go and get a job. Deosnt matter what, just go get one for a few weeks and see how it is. I have a hard time finding 10 guys on this site I would work for if I had to get a job. Its funny though, the ones always complaining about turnover are the ones with these stupid little rules to make themselves feel like they are "in charge".

Why dont you have so many employees anymore? Was turnover a problem? couldnt keep good help?

[CLARK LAWN]

im willing to bet the ones on here that have no problem with there guys being on the phone all day are 30ish and younger and have grown up with cell phones. no they are not working while riding in truck but when their conversations affect their work it is my business. if you only have one helper then yes you can control when they are on the phone but for those of us with a couple crews i cant b everywere and to many times ive pulled up on a job site to find someone talkin on a phone,so like i said from now on if i catch u with a cell phone u will be calling for a ride because u are fired on the spot.

i have a friend who works for a paving company some days they may drive an hour+ to the job site and they are not alowed to have cell phones aand all he is doing is riding in a truck.

[procut]

I think the replies that say cell phones are ok must be part time guys who have another job where they want their phone. They don't see it from the perspective that those of us who have employees/crews see it. They basically just don't understand what myself, the other procut, duelly vette, and few of the others are getting at.

I think we all agree that on the jobsite no phone. But its in the truck where there is some gray area. Here my thoughts on in the truck only.

If there not driving, its not like they are going to be able to acomplish much else anyways, however: Think about the last yime you were trying to drive and someone was sitting two feet from you screaming into a cell phone, a little distracting?

And here is my biggest problem with phones only in the truck, someone calls/texts, whatever. It will be some rumor, gossip ect. He either gets all distracted and has to call all of his friends/neigbors/realitives to tell them, they pass it on call back, ect, ect. they get to the jobsite and this non-sense is still going on. OR whatever it is gets him all worked up or pissed off, wants to go home early, runs to the truck ever 2 minutes to check the phone, ect.

This is why I think it would just be easier for everyone if there was just a no cell phone rule.

[lawnman_scott]

I think the replies that say cell phones are ok must be part time guys who have another job where they want their phone. They don't see it from the perspective that those of us who have employees/crews see it. They basically just don't understand what myself, the other procut, duelly vette, and few of the others are getting at.

I think we all agree that on the jobsite no phone. But its in the truck where there is some gray area. Here my thoughts on in the truck only.

If there not driving, its not like they are going to be able to acomplish much else anyways, however: Think about the last yime you were trying to drive and someone was sitting two feet from you screaming into a cell phone, a little distracting?

And here is my biggest problem with phones only in the truck, someone calls/texts, whatever. It will be some rumor, gossip ect. He either gets all distracted and has to call all of his friends/neigbors/realitives to tell them, they pass it on call back, ect, ect. they get to the jobsite and this non-sense is still going on. OR whatever it is gets him all worked up or pissed off, wants to go home early, runs to the truck ever 2 minutes to check the phone, ect.

This is why I think it would just be easier for everyone if there was just a no cell phone rule.

I have to think if the guy who mows grass gets that upset over a text message, maybe he doesnt have the right skills to hold down a job.

[Hanau]

I hadn't even noticed until this week how my guys use their cell phone. I provide it, primarily for business but I have each phone on a $99 unlimited plan. They can call, text, etc.

My observations were that they really don't use them for personal use while at work. Occasional call during lunch. Thats about it. Text message home when we're done for the day to get dinner ready.

The phones are handy to have. Earlier this week I was up 80 feet in a tree. Rather than shout back and forth we used the phones.

Why some of you guys are having these issues I don't know, but I'm glad I don't.

[HouseReadyServices]

Hello From Year Round Hilton Head Island, SC ...

The only cell phones we allow on customer properties are those assigned to Team Leaders, all others cell phones stay in the trucks.

We give plenty of break times to keep everyone contented, they use their phones then.

[PROCUT1]

What kind of work do they do when they are riding in the truck? I think some of you guys who dont work in the winter should go and get a job. Deosnt matter what, just go get one for a few weeks and see how it is. I have a hard time finding 10 guys on this site I would work for if I had to get a job. Its funny though, the ones always complaining about turnover are the ones with these stupid little rules to make themselves feel like they are "in charge".

Why dont you have so many employees anymore? Was turnover a problem? couldnt keep good help?

Im in the facility maintenance business.

Cellphones area a distraction. They just are not necessary. There is no need whatsoever for someone to be making and receiving personal calls while theyre at work. They are mine from the time they punch in until they leave.

Talking and texting while driving...Arguing with their girlfriends...Sitting in the truck talking when they should be out working..

There is just flat out no need for it. They have 2 way radios so they can talk to eachother, me, and the office.

You're right, not too many people could work for me. Not the newer generation anyway. They show up spoiled, disrespectful, and want everything handed to them right from the start.

With a couple exceptions most of my employees are close to twice my age.

They come from a different mindset.

I dont have to play baby games like taking away cellphones from them. They have cellphones. But they DONT USE THEM on my clock. Nobody had to tell them that....They just do it.

Their wives and girlfriends know the difference between work time and home time. They dont call at work.

I lead by example as well. If my cell phone rings and I see its my wife, I panic.....Figuring something is wrong....Thats how often she calls me at work.

For some people this may be a game or a part time gig with their buddies.

I take this business seriously. And I expect my employees to do the same and to respect the company and my time.

If they cant do that. BUH BYE

[Hanau]

I don't lead by example. I'm always on the phone, my cell is the company number and the toll free number rings to the cell. Suppliers, clients, prospects, and all the rest are always calling me. Sometimes at the most inopportune times.

I used to have a girl that answered the phone, but she just forwarded the calls to me anyway. Wound up realizing I paid her $12 an hour to watch soaps so I cut her loose. She was useless.

[PROCUT1]

I don't lead by example. I'm always on the phone, my cell is the company number and the toll free number rings to the cell. Suppliers, clients, prospects, and all the rest are always calling me. Sometimes at the most inopportune times.

I used to have a girl that answered the phone, but she just forwarded the calls to me anyway. Wound up realizing I paid her $12 an hour to watch soaps so I cut her loose. She was useless.

Hanau

My phone is glued to my ear too, all day.

My truck is a mobile office. Laptop, fax, internet, phone, you name it im wired.

Sometimes my phone rings so much it seems like just one steady ring...ha

But with that said. The calls are BUSINESS.

Im not chatting with my wife, or BSing with my buddies. And you wont catch me doing that.

If my employees were making big dollar deals on their cellphones for the company......Then by all means....Spend as much time on that phone on my clock as you want.

Screaming at your girlfriend for looking at a guy in the bar last night.....That however, wont fly.

[Hanau]

It does get old having every Tom, Dick, and Harry being able to reach you 24 hours a day doesn't it? I can't even take a dump without the damn thing ringing.

[lawnman_scott]

I guess you guys just have bad luck with employees. I never saw a need to have something so goofy. Sure they get calls, and sure once in a while a wife calls complaining about something (how do you avoid hiring the guy with the wife that wants to complain about something sometime), but its not an everyday all day thing. I guess I am just lucky. Personally I think it has alot to do with how you treat people.

[PROCUT1]

It does get old having every Tom, Dick, and Harry being able to reach you 24 hours a day doesn't it? I can't even take a dump without the damn thing ringing.

Funny you say that.

I just finally sent my wife out to get me a prepaid cellphone.

I have a really weird sleeping schedule, usually late afternoons and Im up at night.

Its impossible to sleep with my phone but Im too paranoid to turn it off incase family has an emergency.

So now when I go to sleep, Ill just leave the new phone on, and maybe 5 or 6 people will have that number and it will be for an emergency only.

I cant take the other way anymore.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

Are you saying I should pay my workers to talk on the phone instead of work?

No, what I'm saying is that when you are driving and the helper is doing nothing, he should be allowed to use his phone. I've worked in construction and I've never seen the "no cell phone" policy. My dad is a welder, you can't talk on the phone while working, but on breaks you can talk to your hearts content. Windshield time is my employees break time. They know when I'm coming to the next stop and they will have the phone conversation over by then. Why deprive someone of something that doesn't cost you anything and improves morale.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

Im in the facility maintenance business.

Cellphones area a distraction. They just are not necessary. There is no need whatsoever for someone to be making and receiving personal calls while theyre at work. They are mine from the time they punch in until they leave.

Talking and texting while driving...Arguing with their girlfriends...Sitting in the truck talking when they should be out working..


As for as distractions, what about the radio, food, drinks, and normal conversation?

I've never had a helper argue with their gf or anybody while in my truck, my helpers have more respect than that.

[PROCUT1]

No, what I'm saying is that when you are driving and the helper is doing nothing, he should be allowed to use his phone. I've worked in construction and I've never seen the "no cell phone" policy. My dad is a welder, you can't talk on the phone while working, but on breaks you can talk to your hearts content. Windshield time is my employees break time. They know when I'm coming to the next stop and they will have the phone conversation over by then. Why deprive someone of something that doesn't cost you anything and improves morale.

Well if I was there in the truck with them that would be a different story.

But since I cant play babysitter for every employee and personally hold their hand to get off the phone when the truck stops, I resorted to other measures.

This wasn't something I dreamed up one day out of nowhere to piss off my workers.

This was after it was causing a problem, many warnings, and finally a ban on the phones.

They had their chance.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

Well if I was there in the truck with them that would be a different story.

But since I cant play babysitter for every employee and personally hold their hand to get off the phone when the truck stops, I resorted to other measures.

This wasn't something I dreamed up one day out of nowhere to piss off my workers.

This was after it was causing a problem, many warnings, and finally a ban on the phones.

They had their chance.

I see your point. They know that by the time the truck is put into park the phone has been hung up or put away, and their taking their seatbelt off. If I ever have a problem with them understanding that, I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

[PROCUT1]

To make it simple.

There is no need to make or receive personal calls at work.

If they were a good productive employee, they would know better to begin with.

If they have time to sit in the truck and chat on the phone while Im paying them, then they have time to skip the phone and sit in the truck with windex and paper towels.

Im not paying people to conduct personal business. Im paying them to work.

I used to tell them if they want to spend time with their girlfriend while Im paying them to work.

Then I should spend some time with their girlfriend to make up for it. Fair is fair.

[PROCUT1]

Every employee is different. I dont have this problem with the crew I have now.

They're mature adults and I dont have to explain to them what "work time" is.

I dont have to play baby games taking away cell phones and such. They all have phones but they manage to make it through the day without talking to their significant others 25 times. They get pissed on their own if their girls call them for no good reason.

If they run out of work to do for a while, they actually DO pick up a broom, sweep out a trailer, clean the truck, or SOMETHING other than stand around sucking the clock.

Those are the kind of people I want working for me.

Ones that have a brain and dont have to be taught the basics of right and wrong at work. I have enough stress running a business and making sure they have work to support their families. I dont have time to play day care also.

[AI Inc]

A few yrs back I was pulling pipe on a hill with a $20,000 ditch witch. I could fell it getting tippy and yelled for guys to come over and help stabilize it while I finished the pull. The 2 older guys were there in 5 seconds . The laborers answer when we yelled for him was " cant ya see Im on the phone" He was fired when he got off the phone.

[qualitylandscaping]

Every employee is different. I dont have this problem with the crew I have now.

They're mature adults and I dont have to explain to them what "work time" is.

I dont have to play baby games taking away cell phones and such. They all have phones but they manage to make it through the day without talking to their significant others 25 times. They get pissed on their own if their girls call them for no good reason.

If they run out of work to do for a while, they actually DO pick up a broom, sweep out a trailer, clean the truck, or SOMETHING other than stand around sucking the clock.

Those are the kind of people I want working for me.

Ones that have a brain and dont have to be taught the basics of right and wrong at work. I have enough stress running a business and making sure they have work to support their families. I dont have time to play day care also.


God Bless you sir... :drinkup:

We've had our disagreements over the last few years, but that post sums up what you will learn after years and years in the business.

I'm working on the cell phone issue but it also seems that if my guys stop to get coffee before they come into work, you'd have to give them a raise just to get them to set the coffee down and get the truck loaded in the morning.

Every little thing is a burden to them. Everything you "take away" is just an excuse for them to cry to the labor dept. So much for values, and hard work to be successful.

[PROCUT1]

At least yours stop on the way to the shop.

Mine used to like to take an hour to load up at the shop and THEN go for coffee and egg sandwiches

[LouisianaLawnboy]

At least yours stop on the way to the shop.

Mine used to like to take an hour to load up at the shop and THEN go for coffee and egg sandwiches

:o:o:o:o:o

I've done that before when I was an electrician's helper.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

Question:

Do you give your guys the required break by government? I think its 15 min every two hours of work.

[THC]

Question:

Do you give your guys the required break by government? I think its 15 min every two hours of work.

In canada, employees are only allowed a 30 min. unpaid break, every 5 hours of work. Everything else is an act of lazi... kindness.:rolleyes:

[lawnman_scott]

we just got to the first lawn, and I am finishing my coffee. my employee is now on him gall darn cell phone. should i fire him or just kill him on the spot.

p.s. its a company phone.
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[AI Inc]

Ask him if that was a customer and why they called him instead of you.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

we just got to the first lawn, and I am finishing my coffee. my employee is now on him gall darn cell phone. should i fire him or just kill him on the spot.

p.s. its a company phone.
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Your on your phone too.
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[PROCUT1]

we just got to the first lawn, and I am finishing my coffee. my employee is now on him gall darn cell phone. should i fire him or just kill him on the spot.

p.s. its a company phone.
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Well since youre the boss.

And youre with him. I think you can make that decision on your own.

Does it bother you that he is on his phone? If yes, tell him to hang up.

If no. Let him chat.

The beauty of being the boss.

[THC]

we just got to the first lawn, and I am finishing my coffee. my employee is now on him gall darn cell phone. should i fire him or just kill him on the spot.

p.s. its a company phone.
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I think we should get his point of view to be fair. Make him post via his Mobile Device.

[MarkintheGarden]

we just got to the first lawn, and I am finishing my coffee. my employee is now on him gall darn cell phone. should i fire him or just kill him on the spot.

p.s. its a company phone.
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check the phone record and clock him out for the time spent during personal calls, or just kill him on the spot.

[lawnangel1]

If it bothers you that much just fire him. Cell phones are a part of life now and theres really nothing we can do about it.

[Branch manager]

I just finished reading all the posts on this thread, and good points are made by (mostly) everyone. It's a ticklish subject, for sure. I am a sole proprietor, meaning I'm a one-man show when I'm home. I travel 6-8 times ayear to Iowa to help my brother with his larger treework projects, as he also, works alone. So, most of the time, I'm my own boss, and often, I'm a subcontractor. Therefor, we don't have any of this to deal with.The upside of this is, I don't need to worry about what's going on(or not) while I'm away. When I'm in Ia., I drive so he can conduct business on his phone. Cellphone use while driving is legal in Ia., but not in NY. Both of us use cells for business purposes, primarily. TBCont'd

[Branch manager]

Anyway, my take on all this is, if it's a company-issued phone, it gets used for company business, only. I think it's a good idea for the guys to have ability to contact 911, or the office if a situation arises. Now, personal cellphones; use only during breaks/lunch. Period. I wouldn't want to listen to a bunch of blah blah blah during the truck ride to and from the jobsites. A call home on the way in, especially if running late, yes. People only do this because a) they can,and b)they've gotten away with it, so it becomes routine.

[procut]

I'm glad this thread resurfaced.

Well, today, the one employee who I was referencing in the origional post of this thread really put me over the edge with his #%* $^&$ phone. He and his "baby momma" broke up over the weekend and she took the kid and spit. He spent the first hour of the day screaming into the phone to his mom, Child Protective Services, Department of Human Services and who knows who else, I wasn't trying to pay atention.

This non-sense went on for about another two hours WHILE ON THE JOBSITE. I walked over to him told him straight up he "you're not on the clock for this" he agreed this was "fine."

To make a long story short, he eventually got so worked up, he insisted he go home for the day. Really could of used his help with the timber wall we were bulding.

Now were these phone calls legit, IDK, I guess so. But it would have been easier if he would have just delt with this on his own time. The whole ordeal has just about made my decision on the no personal phones rule.

[mdlwn1]

God I wish we could go back to the days of not having a leash............

[lawnman_scott]

I'm glad this thread resurfaced.

Well, today, the one employee who I was referencing in the origional post of this thread really put me over the edge with his #%* $^&$ phone. He and his "baby momma" broke up over the weekend and she took the kid and spit. He spent the first hour of the day screaming into the phone to his mom, Child Protective Services, Department of Human Services and who knows who else, I wasn't trying to pay atention.

This non-sense went on for about another two hours WHILE ON THE JOBSITE. I walked over to him told him straight up he "you're not on the clock for this" he agreed this was "fine."

To make a long story short, he eventually got so worked up, he insisted he go home for the day. Really could of used his help with the timber wall we were bulding.

Now were these phone calls legit, IDK, I guess so. But it would have been easier if he would have just delt with this on his own time. The whole ordeal has just about made my decision on the no personal phones rule.

Other than this is he a good employee? He just seems like he would be worthless cellphone, or no cellphone. I guess that is me whole point. That the cell phone is being blamed on useless employees.

[procut]

Other than this is he a good employee? He just seems like he would be worthless cellphone, or no cellphone. I guess that is me whole point. That the cell phone is being blamed on useless employees.

Bingo. This finally occoured to me the other day that perhapps its not the phone, maybe its him.

[dgw]

i HAD a guy that stopped every other pass on the freakin mower to return a text

every time i would look up from the trimmer i would get more pissed

he eventually had to move on after several warnings

[THC]

The whole ordeal has just about made my decision on the no personal phones rule.

I'm on the fence. Some people say let them have them and be responsible adults but there aren't too many employees like that for small businesses like mine. I only hire people in the spring and fall but I have never seen someone with a phone use it respectively. If they are not phoning out, someone is phoning them. I get so sick of them looking at their call display sometimes and then talking to me about who phoned and what does she want etc.

I had one guy with a little video game player.. a PSP? something like that, every time he's in the truck he's playing a game, same thing with smokers, they want to finish their smoke first(I don't let anyone smoke on customers property). I had one guy that got pissed off at me because I wouldn't let him use MY cell phone. We started arguing, I stopped and kicked him out of the truck right there. He was from day labour and wanted his work slip signed, when he handed it to me I ripped it up and threw it out the window.

The thing is When I need people I'm desperate for them so I don't want to cause waves but if I ever get full time employee, no smoking and no cell phone.



One more thing, I was in staples shopping for something. I heard a cell go off, naturally I check my own, but it turned out to be an employee than was walking with his supervisor. That supervisor told him straight out, NO phones allowed. Makes me wonder if Mccdonalds allows their fryboys to talk on cell phones while at work. I doubt it.

[CLARK LAWN]

no phones at micky d's, when i was a mechanic no personal cell phones, i know alot of people in different fields and most of them are not allowed to have a personal cell phone at work.

[lawnman_scott]

no phones at micky d's, when i was a mechanic no personal cell phones, i know alot of people in different fields and most of them are not allowed to have a personal cell phone at work.
I just dont want to be drawing from the work pool of people that cant get burgers right. If they cant handle a cell phone I dont want them near a mower.
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[LouisianaLawnboy]

no phones at micky d's, when i was a mechanic no personal cell phones, i know alot of people in different fields and most of them are not allowed to have a personal cell phone at work.

I totally understand that, but when those McDonald and mechanic employees get their break they can talk on the phone the whole time if they want.

My workers don't get "breaks" while the machines are out, they get their break in between jobs. Therefore, I don't see whats wrong with them using the phone.

Also, the rule is NO CELL PHONES OUTSIDE THE TRUCK!

[PROCUT1]

It just comes down to there is no need for them to have a phone.

We have 2 way radios. So they dont need a phone to call me, the office, the other truck, or eachother.

So whats the need to have a personal phone? I already provide them with the communication they need at work.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

It just comes down to there is no need for them to have a phone.

We have 2 way radios. So they dont need a phone to call me, the office, the other truck, or eachother.

So whats the need to have a personal phone? I already provide them with the communication they need at work.

What about on their breaks?
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[PROCUT1]

What about it?

[LouisianaLawnboy]

What about it?

Can your employees use THEIR phones on THEIR break?
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[PROCUT1]

Can your employees use THEIR phones on THEIR break?
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If they are at the shop during their break sure

[lawnman_scott]

If they are at the shop during their break sureThis probably happens when? Never? Maybe this is part of the reason you are having problems getting good employees.

[THC]

Not in the truck either. I have to answer my cell, it's my business phone. I tell people DO NOT even TALK when I'm on the phone. Most are actually aware of that before hand but I hire these guys from day labour and some of them... it's no wonder they can't hold down a regular job.

[PROCUT1]

This probably happens when? Never? Maybe this is part of the reason you are having problems getting good employees.

Good employees know whats proper at work and what isnt.

I have worked as a "hobby" a part time job a few hours a week for years.

Im by myself the whole time, and have my cell phone on me.

Nobody would say a thing to me if I answered it.

But to me it just feels wrong when Im on someone elses clock, especially taxpayers, and Im BSing on the phone.

A good employee would already know better.

There was a time before cell phones.....Im not that old, but I remember that.

This instant communication with your personal life anytime 24/7 is too much.

When you come to work....You leave home at home. When you pull out of my shop after work, you can do anything you want.

[PROCUT1]

If theyre not going to stop in the middle of sex at night to answer MY call then dont stop in the middle of my day to answer someone elses.

I have great employees now. Every one of them has a cell phone and keeps it on them at work.

But the difference is, these guys are mature enough not to abuse it and know the difference between "my time" and "girlfriend time"

I didnt have to teach them "workplace etiquette 101" They came with it already.

[DuallyVette]

I didnt have to teach them "workplace etiquette 101" They came with it already.


I think that this is a lost art. Todays youth believes that it's ME time...all the time :)

[LouisianaLawnboy]

But the difference is, these guys are mature enough not to abuse it and know the difference between "my time" and "girlfriend time"

Break time isn't the boss' time. It's the employees time. In the lawncare biz my employees get their breaks between jobs in the truck and at gas stations. Therefore, they can do whatever they want(within reason) while on their "break".

I've never heard of employers restricting cell phone use during an employee's break. For all the employer's care, the employee could leave, but as long as he is back at work when the break is over, their shouldn't be any problems.

[Hanau]

I've heard of jobs where your hour lunch is unpaid, but you're not allowed to leave the premises during that hour. SEL does that, they don't let their emloyees leave during work hours. Not even on break or lunch, which isn't paid time. They don't want them to smoke.

Weird place to work.

[DuallyVette]

I've heard of jobs where your hour lunch is unpaid, but you're not allowed to leave the premises during that hour. SEL does that, they don't let their emloyees leave during work hours. Not even on break or lunch, which isn't paid time. They don't want them to smoke.

Weird place to work.

Who's SEL ??

They also probably don't want to hear the excuse on why they were late getting back, or hear about the wreck they were involved in, racing to get back.

Children really appreciate the limits that their parents place on them. It makes them feel secure. :)

[Hanau]

SEL is an outfit over the state line. High tech something or other.

They have a variety of conditions for employment. Can't smoke, can't drink, can't use drugs, no pre-maritial sex, among other things. This does include the employee's time off. If you work there going home after your shift, lighting up a cigarette, cracking open a beer, and having sex with your girlfriend gets you fired.

Guy that runs the outfit is a born again Christian, and thinks he can control his employee's personal lives.

All that and $9 per hour.

Want me to mail you an application?

[greendoctor]

I've heard of jobs where your hour lunch is unpaid, but you're not allowed to leave the premises during that hour. SEL does that, they don't let their emloyees leave during work hours. Not even on break or lunch, which isn't paid time. They don't want them to smoke.

Weird place to work.

That is SOP in the construction and green industry here in Hawaii. It is not about smoking or drinking, it is strictly micromanagement. Very third world and hypocritical when you think about it. The employees have to eat a cold lunch that has been out in the tropical heat and the boss gets a hot meal at a place of his choosing. Yet another reason I am self employed.

[Hanau]

I know 2 people that worked at SEL. They said it was creepy. The place is surrounded by chain link fence, razor wire, and has guards.

They did telemarketing and stuff with computers.

Employees were subject to random vehicle searches, lie detector tests, drug tests, all kinds of crap. Had to sign "morality contracts" as part of working there. Metal detectors at all entrances. Had to surrender anything n your pockets at the door. Keys, wallet, phone, etc.

Very, very, very creepy place. Entirely legal though since it's all "voluntary". If you don't like the conditions you're free to quit.

Glad I'm self employed too.

[greendoctor]

Just goes to show how little the majority of people value their freedom. In a sane world, such a business would soon be forced to close down for lack of people willing to tolerate working there.

[topsites]

I don't understand why an employer would even ask this question,
I'm guessing they must work for some of y'all now.

Just goes to show how little the majority of people value their freedom. In a sane world, such a business would soon be forced to close down for lack of people willing to tolerate working there.

I disagree, let the unemployment rate rise.

Can your employees use THEIR phones on THEIR break?
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This I would tolerate, their break should be their time, to do with as they wish.

[PLS-Tx]

I know 2 people that worked at SEL. They said it was creepy. The place is surrounded by chain link fence, razor wire, and has guards.

They did telemarketing and stuff with computers.

Employees were subject to random vehicle searches, lie detector tests, drug tests, all kinds of crap. Had to sign "morality contracts" as part of working there. Metal detectors at all entrances. Had to surrender anything n your pockets at the door. Keys, wallet, phone, etc.

Very, very, very creepy place. Entirely legal though since it's all "voluntary". If you don't like the conditions you're free to quit.

Glad I'm self employed too.

Wow, that's crazy. :dizzy: Why would anyone work for a place like that.

I love being self employed, it has it's problems but it's sure better than working for someone else.

[CLARK LAWN]

when i worked as a truck mechanic we were not allowed to leave when we were on break in case there was a breakdown, there were 4 guys in the shop and we had to stager our breaks and lunch, more than once had one or both out on a roadcall and another truck would pull up to the shop for repair and i would have to come off break to fix the truck. and we were not allowed to have a personal cell phone on us or in our tool box. if you got caught you would get wrote up, first time and fired the second.

[PROCUT1]

Like I said before, this wasnt something I woke up one day and said "Let me find a new way to pizz off my workers"

They did it themselves by abusing it. I wouldn't have even cared if they took the occasional personal call between jobs.

But when theyre spending all day talking and texting every time I turn around, and on my clock....I had enough.

Again. The crew I have now. They all have cell phones. But theyre not babies and know when its ok and when its not.

[THC]

You know what happened to me one fall because of cells?

I hired a buddy who was arguing with his wife, over several days he was always on the cell, or not answering and getting mad at her because I was getting mad at him. Then the Btich starting phoning MY cell phone. It didn't go well after that.

[LouisianaLawnboy]

Like I said before, this wasnt something I woke up one day and said "Let me find a new way to pizz off my workers"

They did it themselves by abusing it. I wouldn't have even cared if they took the occasional personal call between jobs.

But when theyre spending all day talking and texting every time I turn around, and on my clock....I had enough.

Again. The crew I have now. They all have cell phones. But theyre not babies and know when its ok and when its not.

OK, I can see your point of view, but I respectfully disagree. I don't think we are changing each other's minds.

I do however appreciate the fact that you can have a discussion without calling names, getting personal, or upset. I've noticed that about you. I'm serious.

Do we agree to disagree?:cool2:*trucewhiteflag*

[PLS-Tx]

We let our guys carry their phones. We just tell them to wait until they are in the truck to use them, and then try and text instead of talking.

I don't want to be on the phone with a customer, or my wife talking business and them be talking on the phone at the same time.

Problem is, it seems you give them a privilege and they abuse it. One guy gets texts all the time, he is always checking his phone, and trying to hide and send a text.

I'm thinking about outlawing cell phones. If I do I would give them a push to talk phone, but it would be set so they could only call me, my wife, or someone else on the crew.

I don't want to treat them like like children, but I guess if they are going to act like a child then you have to.

[DuallyVette]

I know 2 people that worked at SEL. They said it was creepy. The place is surrounded by chain link fence, razor wire, and has guards.

They did telemarketing and stuff with computers.

Employees were subject to random vehicle searches, lie detector tests, drug tests, all kinds of crap. Had to sign "morality contracts" as part of working there. Metal detectors at all entrances. Had to surrender anything n your pockets at the door. Keys, wallet, phone, etc.

Very, very, very creepy place. Entirely legal though since it's all "voluntary". If you don't like the conditions you're free to quit.

Glad I'm self employed too.

Razor ribbon , guards, metal detectors, drug test. This protects you and your co workers. I'll also fire a compulsive lier, without use of a detector. If I don't trust you...you got to go. I hate smoking, but I have trouble finding non smokers...I don't allow smoking in my trucks, and I ***** at them if I'm working and smell it. I don't care who you sleep with, but when you tell me your personal business...you usually just show me how stupid you are :) But it's your problem.

[Perfect touch landscapes]

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[Perfect touch landscapes]

My first post on lawnsite, talking about cellphones, in bed using iPhone so I wouldn't upset wife by going to computer at 12:00 in the morning. There're times cell phone need to be used,but I have been getting fed up with this issue my self. What is cell phone? Form of comunication. If you at the job why should you need to be updated with what is going on out there in the world.cell phone is a priveledge not how some guys said way of life. Some people play nintendos 12 hours a day and watch tv rest of the day, does that mean world has changed. What gets to me morethen anything is when my phone rings, clientis calling and I am trying to focus on conversation that makes me money and pays employees salaries , yet I have to close my right ear with my hand because all I can hear is Jeremy in back seat finishing argument with his girlfriend, he is so in to it, no jester of my hand or sound of my voice can stop him, my client thinks they have reached some Irish pub not landscape business. I don't ask for respect , but don't disrespect me ,my business and everything I do for 3 hours before I pick you up and 5 hours after I drop you off. To some one who never ran Bisiness explaining rules of using phone on job is like telling your kid it is not time to play . Whoever understands they will try to comply and not sstress you out with additional drama they pick up while on the phone. How can you expect them not to forget equipment on job cites or their keys, or smokes or better yet worry about their safety,if their mind is not there, but mentally preparing for the party or making plans for days they will not show due to important consert. What about sertain customersthat get charged by the hour and as they look in the windows to see the progress they realize they don't really get their moneys worth.
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[nowayklown]

this whole thread went from cell phones to all sorts of policies huh.

my policy on cell phones is very lax. i have no problems with cell phones until they become a problem. if you are on a break, its your time, make a call just dont become obnoxious and loud and unprofessional if there are other peopl that can hear you. most of my employees respect that cell phones are a privelage to carry, and that any privelage can and will be taken away if misused. i have employees who have their phone with them at all times and know that if its not important like your wife is having a baby or something then dont use it. i also have the ones who think that they need to update their girlfriend on every little thing those are the abusers and they get the 3 strike rule. once, i ask if its an important call, if it is carry on in the truck. if not tell them goodbye put the phone away. 2nd time cell phone stays in the truck. 3rd time the cell phone is prohibited to bring to work (for that individual) anything after 3 its time to find another job. i like the fact of cell phones because if i need to i can get ahold of a crew member on the site if im not there i can.

[PROCUT1]

this whole thread went from cell phones to all sorts of policies huh.

my policy on cell phones is very lax. i have no problems with cell phones until they become a problem. if you are on a break, its your time, make a call just dont become obnoxious and loud and unprofessional if there are other peopl that can hear you. most of my employees respect that cell phones are a privelage to carry, and that any privelage can and will be taken away if misused. i have employees who have their phone with them at all times and know that if its not important like your wife is having a baby or something then dont use it. i also have the ones who think that they need to update their girlfriend on every little thing those are the abusers and they get the 3 strike rule. once, i ask if its an important call, if it is carry on in the truck. if not tell them goodbye put the phone away. 2nd time cell phone stays in the truck. 3rd time the cell phone is prohibited to bring to work (for that individual) anything after 3 its time to find another job. i like the fact of cell phones because if i need to i can get ahold of a crew member on the site if im not there i can.

That basically sums up how I look at it.

I havent had the problem for a few years now.

I have a crew of grown-ups who know right from wrong.

[N.TX]

Phones stay in the truck. If there is an emergency that they have to be on the phone for a while ....thats fine ....their pay gets deducted for that time.

[stressed]

This is a great post.Two major things on this years list to watch for.Cell phones and food containers in trucks.My rule is gonna be you can have one in the truck but not in the lawns.If i pull up to a lawn and see sumone texting on a mower thats strike one.I will not ban them completly because i do not supply phones to employees and i sometimes need to call them on their phone.I pull up to a ,lawn and seen them several times texting with mower running,nothing makes me madder.That will end and had a guy leave his food containers in back of truck all the time.I finally started taking it out of my truck and throwing it in his.He stopped pretty quick thats another per peave of mine

[PROCUT1]

Many guys find things acceptable in this business that are not in others.

If you work as a cashier somewhere, You are not allowed to chat on your cell phone while youre ringing people up.

A police officer cannot sit in your living room chatting with his girlfriend while hes taking your burglary report.

If a plumber came to your house and was in your bathroom texting half the time he was working, you would have a problem with that.

A teacher cant have their phone ringing away during class.

Many jobs youre not allowed to have a cell phone on you to begin with.

So this is not a strange request.

In our professions, we are more flexible with the cell phone thing, because we are on the road and their is downtime between jobs and the hours are long.

I dont think any of us, as owners, would have a problem with an employee who respected our business, and used his phone only at appropriate times.

I never have a problem with that.

But how many times am I going to pull up to a job, to see a guy sitting in the truck, or sitting on the mower in the yard texting or chatting, ON MY CLOCK, before I get ticked off?

its very simple.

I DONT PAY YOU TO MAKE PERSONAL CALLS.

So If Im paying you. You better be doing something for ME.

When youre on break. Riding in the truck. On lunch. Or the occassional urgent call......NO PROBLEM.

You can talk between every lawn if you like.

But the second the truck stops......So should your convo and youre back to doing what I pay you to do.

Most guys understand this without being told.

But a few act like children....And then get treated as such.

[stressed]

i agree with everything you just said procut,on their lunch,in between lawns etc. i have no problem with it..im not an @#!*hole.But nothing gets my blood boiling faster than sumone sitting on a mower texting or talking...im getten mad just taklking about it.This is the number one thing im tackiling this year.I let too much go last year

[DuallyVette]

I was driving down on the road, talking to a customer on the phone. My assistant, sitting right beside me in the truck, decided to call his little brother. VERY DISTRACTING. I shouldn't have to tell anyone over 6years old, to be quit when "mamma or daddy's" on the phone and certainly not to be quiet when your boss is on the phone. WHO RAISED THESE KIDS !!!

[Paradise Landscapes]

Just me and my girl. We already have an employee manual in full detail. Cell phones are prohibited from day one.

We both believe that if your a company with say 6 people and you suddenly implement that, You may have problems. If you start with a very first employee, no problem. If an accident happens and the employee was on a phone, IMMEDIATE TERMINATION!