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Woodland
10-20-2009, 05:19 AM
I don't have my ICPI book handy right now (although I'm not sure this is in there either) but I'm wondering, when you lay a soldier/sailor course around a curve, how much extra gap is acceptable? Right now I'm laying a large walkway where most of the border is running in a curve, mostly pretty tight. Most of the outside gaps are around 1/2" with a few to 3/4". Anything over that and I've been cutting random pieces to bring the gaps back in line (obviously the 1/2" and 3/4" gaps coincide with the tightness of the different curves and not random through the walk). From my eye, the gaps look fine, but what about the integrity of the interlock??

Stillwater
10-20-2009, 07:31 AM
I don't have my ICPI book handy right now (although I'm not sure this is in there either) but I'm wondering, when you lay a soldier/sailor course around a curve, how much extra gap is acceptable? Right now I'm laying a large walkway where most of the border is running in a curve, mostly pretty tight. Most of the outside gaps are around 1/2" with a few to 3/4". Anything over that and I've been cutting random pieces to bring the gaps back in line (obviously the 1/2" and 3/4" gaps coincide with the tightness of the different curves and not random through the walk). From my eye, the gaps look fine, but what about the integrity of the interlock??

3/8.... but I have 0 tolerance, over build your walk mark and cut,

AztlanLC
10-20-2009, 09:45 AM
yes 3/8 is on icpi book.
I usually buy a circle kit to do my soldier course when dealing with many curves

shovelracer
10-20-2009, 08:09 PM
agreed, cut em up.

Danscapes
10-20-2009, 08:54 PM
Yep 3/8 but mine are NEVER more than 3/16, sloppy cuts make for poor workmanship.:weightlifter:

PatriotLandscape
10-21-2009, 10:18 PM
is that an example of your work?

the left side cuts are terrible I would rather have a smooth radius and not worry about wedgies.

Stillwater
10-22-2009, 07:49 AM
is that an example of your work?

the left side cuts are terrible I would rather have a smooth radius and not worry about wedgies.


Put the criticism aside and tell us what is your solution would have been in this example using the dimensions and product he worked with. Posts just bashing the guys work without also posting reasonable work arounds or other realistic solutions you have or in your case don't have should be ignored.

AztlanLC
10-22-2009, 09:32 AM
I gonna chime in hope this helps.
First of all I stopped using pavers for treads long time ago use coping units or a paver at least 10" depth, in really tight curves cut every single unit on both sides on normal curves cut every other.

Hardscaping
10-23-2009, 07:27 PM
This is a driveway that i am doing right now. just finishing up.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/bboyfrost_7/IMG_0663.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/bboyfrost_7/IMG_0669.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/bboyfrost_7/IMG_0670.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y300/bboyfrost_7/IMG_0671.jpg

I try to make them look familar to the rest of the job if can. but i do suggest that every second one is good and will give a good radius. As well these are things that need to be accounted for in the pricing of the job.

Go with what you feel is best.

Woodland
10-24-2009, 07:59 AM
I do not like the look of those treads at all! Perhaps it is a matter of taste but When I have to make cuts for a radius like that, I cut every paver and I cut them all the same size. The ones in that picture look very choppy and uneven. I had the same thought on the first pic that was posted earlier. I put up a few pictures of the job I'm on right now so you can see what I was talking about in my original post.

DynaMow
10-24-2009, 09:29 AM
you have to cut each and every block the same. Plus it just makes it easy to lay.

I do not think a 1/2" gap is exceptable let alone 3/4".

The picture below is a project I just finished. I ended up leaving gaps that I was not very happy about. Those curbing/borber stones are 12 x 8 x 4 buried with an 8" face height. My saw will not cut the angle needed. Need to be a 8" throat, compound angle, couldn't do it, so I had to cut the stone to a 4 x 8 x 4 to make the turn, gaps are 3/8" at best and I do not like.

I believe there should be no triangle gaps anywhere!!

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/CraigsMowin/100_3822.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/CraigsMowin/100_3824.jpg

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k189/CraigsMowin/100_3832.jpg

Stillwater
10-24-2009, 02:40 PM
I am not criticizing I don't do that but I want to ask is it me or does that walk look dangerous, I would have had the edging die at the level of the sidewalk. My thoughts are some bozo is going to happen by, trip on that thing and BING BAM.. lawsuit shoved in the homeowners face. I might have cut those 2 end pavers to be at the transition grade or go back 6 or or 7 pavers back cut the bottom of the 6th paver to start the decline to the sidewalk grade.

DynaMow
10-24-2009, 07:43 PM
I am not criticizing I don't do that but I want to ask is it me or does that walk look dangerous, I would have had the edging die at the level of the sidewalk. My thoughts are some bozo is going to happen by, trip on that thing and BING BAM.. lawsuit shoved in the homeowners face. I might have cut those 2 end pavers to be at the transition grade or go back 6 or or 7 pavers back cut the bottom of the 6th paver to start the decline to the sidewalk grade.I actually have been told that. I am doing a small wall there and I will be pulling those out and angling them the length of the stone, good call!!

zedosix
10-25-2009, 08:43 AM
Most of you guys need a lesson on how to build steps. Sorry not criitising but just calling it like I see it. Wrong material used and way to many wedge cuts.

Danscapes
10-25-2009, 12:51 PM
I actually have been told that. I am doing a small wall there and I will be pulling those out and angling them the length of the stone, good call!!

I wonder who told you that?:waving::drinkup: