I have 20gpm and I want to cut stuff

[AWJ Services]

Like the title says my excavator has almost 20gpm.

I have looked at the US mowers and that looks promising however I know that the head will not last if I do more 2 inch stuff than undergrush.

A rotary cutter is the cheapest but the messiest.

I have looked at some mulchers like the Buamalight but I wonder how well the carbide bits will do on grass.

Cimaf will have a head for my machine next year but it will be more than any of the other options. It will cut grass and mulch.


So any opinions.
Do the carbide mulching heads cut grass well?
I can get a good deal on the Buama light with a bracket so it will go between my skid and my excavator.

This is not for everyday usage maybe 10 to 30 days a year max.

[YellowDogSVC]

AWJ- I have had luck with my CAT mulcher (carbide teeth) cutting high grass. while it's a far cry from a finish mulcher, it does an alright job and I wouldn't hesitate to use it on heavy, thick grass before running a rotary through it.

I think, for your application, a flail type mower would take less HP to turn. Maybe US mower has something you like. I, too, have been looking at excavator mulchers that will run off 16 gpm and your 20gpm would run it that much better..I would think. I have been looking at this type of mower:

http://www.usmower.com/specsheets/07%2040%20Sam%20Cut%20Sheet%202.pdf

[AWJ Services]

AWJ- I have had luck with my CAT mulcher (carbide teeth) cutting high grass. while it's a far cry from a finish mulcher, it does an alright job and I wouldn't hesitate to use it on heavy, thick grass before running a rotary through it.

I think, for your application, a flail type mower would take less HP to turn. Maybe US mower has something you like. I, too, have been looking at excavator mulchers that will run off 16 gpm and your 20gpm would run it that much better..I would think. I have been looking at this type of mower:

http://www.usmower.com/specsheets/07%2040%20Sam%20Cut%20Sheet%202.pdf

I agree the flail seems to be the best option but I am reluctant about it's ability mulch 3 inch trees on a regular basis.
I have a feeling that I will end up with chunks of 3 inch wood debris no different than a rotary mower.
I have used Flail mowers behind tractors and I see similar results with them.

The rotary is the cheapest.I know it will not provide results in grass like a flail but I am mixed right now on what I actually need.
Plus the Flail has to have a case drain and I am not sure if I want to deal with that.

Here is a link to the Bauma.


http://www.baumalight.com/pdf/Brush%20Mulchers.pdf

It uses a bunch of carbide teeth.

[minimax]

I have 17.5 GPM on my deere 35d and have cut and ground up stuff a big a 6" but it is not real fast in stuff that big but it will cut that size of wood.How you run the head is the big thing.You will want a case drain on any mower if you don't want to re sealing the motor every 100 hrs of less,It is not hard to put in a case drain.I think a HD flail is your going to work best in what you want to cut,rotary is 2nd best and a mulcher is last.
You can look at Pro-mac brushcutters too,might work well for what you want.
minimax

[trailmaker]

My TB138 has 15.6 aux flow and with the US mower can handle most 3in material pretty easily. 3in coast live oak is pretty tough on it but madrone, poison oak, doug fir, redwood, coyote brush is no problem. I'm getting ready to flip the hammers at 400 hours, but my soil is deep loam with almost no rocks.

[trailmaker]

I think I've posted this before, but here's a time lapse video of the US mower 30 in. There was plenty of 3in material in this thicket. I think the real time was 30 or 40 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GppAKFGlxtQ

[JDSKIDSTEER]

Like the title says my excavator has almost 20gpm.

I have looked at the US mowers and that looks promising however I know that the head will not last if I do more 2 inch stuff than undergrush.

A rotary cutter is the cheapest but the messiest.

I have looked at some mulchers like the Buamalight but I wonder how well the carbide bits will do on grass.

Cimaf will have a head for my machine next year but it will be more than any of the other options. It will cut grass and mulch.


So any opinions.
Do the carbide mulching heads cut grass well?
I can get a good deal on the Buama light with a bracket so it will go between my skid and my excavator.

This is not for everyday usage maybe 10 to 30 days a year max.

The guy at Bushmaster brags on his head. I am sure he will sell to your equipment dealer if no local dealer around.

[ioilyouin]

I referenced another, older thread for my research into this attachment. I ended up placing an order for an US Mower, and am awaiting it's arrival. After the fact, I keep running into more and more manufacturers of these brushcutters. Another company I ran across is Seppi, out of Italy. I really wish there was a clear front runner in this type of attachment.

[AWJ Services]

I have been looking at this excavator head.

http://www.seppi.com/en/products/excavator-mulchers/mini-bms.html

[ksss]

I like the 190 degree rotation option. You can also opt for a variable displacement motor. Pretty cool. Do you have a dealer near by?

[AWJ Services]

The closest is in South Carolina.

[AWJ Services]

They ship the cutter over here with no mounting attachment and no hydraulics.
The selling dealer matches everything to your machine once it gets here.
The Mini-BMS comes with a hyd door and will cut in both directions. The dealer can mount any type of coupler up like the 190 degree attachment.

The Mini- BMS has 360 degree flail knifes which means that they will spin 360 degrees when striking something solid.
You can also get this head with fixed cutters( carbide) but you will need more than 20 gpm to pull it.

[Junior M]

AWJ, where is the dealership in SC? Maybe I could help you out..

[tnmtn]

https://www.theedgeindustries.com/excavator-RAPTOR-EX40-mower.html

anybody have any experiance with this brand? it seems they are sold by skid steer solutions. also, not sure if they are able to use diffrent gears to accomodate diffrent hydraulic outputs.

[AWJ Services]

https://www.theedgeindustries.com/excavator-RAPTOR-EX40-mower.html

anybody have any experiance with this brand? it seems they are sold by skid steer solutions. also, not sure if they are able to use diffrent gears to accomodate diffrent hydraulic outputs.

He actually used to work for US mower.
He has made some improvments over the US mower design and if I buy a Flail mower it will be from Edge industries.

[codycorfe]

tnmtn,
The raptor Ex 40 Hyd. motor is custom matched to your excavators Hyd. Output .I am the President of Edge Industries LLC. If you have any other questions just let me know.

[YellowDogSVC]

tnmtn,
The raptor Ex 40 Hyd. motor is custom matched to your excavators Hyd. Output .I am the President of Edge Industries LLC. If you have any other questions just let me know.

what do you have that would run on a '09 Bobcat 335 with 19 gpm and 3000 psi? I have a thumb attached, do you know if mower will mount with the thumb in place?
Thx. Yellow Dog

[AWJ Services]

what do you have that would run on a '09 Bobcat 335 with 19 gpm and 3000 psi? I have a thumb attached, do you know if mower will mount with the thumb in place?
Thx. Yellow Dog

The mower attaches with the same bracket as your buckets and they can also add teeth on the back of the mower so that you can still use your thumb to move stuff while the mower is attached.
You should be able to pull the 40 inch mower as long as the excavator can handle the weight.

I guess I have been doing to much research LOL

[YellowDogSVC]

The mower attaches with the same bracket as your buckets and they can also add teeth on the back of the mower so that you can still use your thumb to move stuff while the mower is attached.
You should be able to pull the 40 inch mower as long as the excavator can handle the weight.

I guess I have been doing to much research LOL

that's a good thing..the research.. we need knowledgeable people on here to counteract the opinions. :)

[codycorfe]

what do you have that would run on a '09 Bobcat 335 with 19 gpm and 3000 psi? I have a thumb attached, do you know if mower will mount with the thumb in place?
Thx. Yellow Dog

Hi Yellow Dog,
It looks like your machine weight is around 8400 lbs. while the oil flow would handle a Raptor Ex 40 the weight of your machine is a little light for it. I would recommend A Raptor Ex30 Brush Mower , The material cap. is still the same as the Ex40 but with a smaller cut path. I checked the Specs for your machine and the max weight @ full reach off the side of the tracks is not published. To hold the Ex40 it would need to support 780LBS @ that point and be stable. For the thumb I would Just add three way blocks to your aux. lines so that it will stay put when the mower is in operation.

Cody.

[YellowDogSVC]

Hi Yellow Dog,
It looks like your machine weight is around 8400 lbs. while the oil flow would handle a Raptor Ex 40 the weight of your machine is a little light for it. I would recommend A Raptor Ex30 Brush Mower , The material cap. is still the same as the Ex40 but with a smaller cut path. I checked the Specs for your machine and the max weight @ full reach off the side of the tracks is not published. To hold the Ex40 it would need to support 780LBS @ that point and be stable. For the thumb I would Just add three way blocks to your aux. lines so that it will stay put when the mower is in operation.

Cody.

Cody, actual published weight is closer to 9,433 lbs plus thumb weight of 175lbs and me in the operator seat.

19 gpm, 3,045 auxiliary psi

[codycorfe]

Cody, actual published weight is closer to 9,433 lbs plus thumb weight of 175lbs and me in the operator seat.

19 gpm, 3,045 auxiliary psi

Do you know what off the side max lift @ full reach is for your machine?

[ioilyouin]

Isn't the thumb working against you in this situation? As far as lift capability?

[codycorfe]

Isn't the thumb working against you in this situation? As far as lift capability?

Yes the thumb does reduce you overall lift cap. We have ran tip over test on the KX161-3 with a thumb and a Raptor EX40 and it is stable however that is 11500 lbs. We have also installed that mower on 10000 lb machines and it was stable as well ,It becomes dependant on the Manuf. counter balance on the excavator ( true zero tail swing ) ,weight distance from fulcrum point and length of arm, thrust and Decell rate (dynamic load) and the parent machine's max lift cap. ( Rated ) somtimes these #'s are not so easy to get as they are not published.

[stuvecorp]

I would be interested to hear more on this, especially some on production and marketing.

[YellowDogSVC]

Do you know what off the side max lift @ full reach is for your machine?

i have not tested it yet. Need to. I'll try lifting my tree shear and see what that does as a heavy start.

[YellowDogSVC]

Cody, actual published weight is closer to 9,433 lbs plus thumb weight of 175lbs and me in the operator seat.

19 gpm, 3,045 auxiliary psi

I found in my book: add 48 lbs for A/C and 205 lbs. for angle blade. So, I'm at 9686 not including thumb.

[AWJ Services]

Your excavator has a lift chart sticker on it.
Just read what the weight says and take off for coupler and bucket.

Kx161 will do about 1200 pounds at full reach minus coupler and thumb.
If the thumb weighs 300 pounds it will not take 300 pounds off of the full reach lifting capacity because it is closer to the machines center.
If the mowers weight is more centered in the coupler it will help as well.

[YellowDogSVC]

Your excavator has a lift chart sticker on it.
Just read what the weight says and take off for coupler and bucket.

Kx161 will do about 1200 pounds at full reach minus coupler and thumb.
If the thumb weighs 300 pounds it will not take 300 pounds off of the full reach lifting capacity because it is closer to the machines center.
If the mowers weight is more centered in the coupler it will help as well.

my thumb is fairly robust and weighs about 200 lbs or less with cylinder. Does your chart include a "standard" bucket like an 18" trenching bucket or just the stick?

[AWJ Services]

my thumb is fairly robust and weighs about 200 lbs or less with cylinder. Does your chart include a "standard" bucket like an 18" trenching bucket or just the stick?

Just the stick.

http://www.kubota.com/f/products/ce/kx/kx161_i.html

That is over the side.

The thumb retracted is 3 foot from the end of the stick so it will not be 200 pounds in regard to tipping with the stick extended.

[minimax]

I looked up the lift chart on a Deere 35D mini-x and its lift capacity to the side at full reach is 933 lbs and that is with a standard counuterweight and with the add on counterweight is 1174 lbs.I have a EX40 on a Deere 35D and it is NOT tippy but on a side slope I could use more swing power.I would put a EX40 on a 335 over a EX30 mower head.Here is a pic of me and my mini mowing over the side at full reach,I have a thumb on too.I do have steel tracks that do help.
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Are you doing well cody?

minimax

[stuvecorp]

The Deere seems like a like monster(flow and lift capacity).

I have been reading some of the old threads, there is a lot of them. Minimax, which machine did you get first for mowing?

[minimax]

stuvecorp,I had the ag tractors first and then the Deere 35C mini-x with a mower head, and than the "D" mini-x and then the CTL and mower.The mini-x gets the most use of any of my machines at about 1000-1300 hours a year on it.

minimax

[stuvecorp]

Minimax, when you got your mini x setup was there anybody doing mowing with the mini?

[minimax]

I was the first mini-x/mower setup and are still the only one setup in a 25 mile radius.:)

minimax

[stuvecorp]

AWJ, you still working on this?

[AWJ Services]

Yes.

I am still waiting to hear back from the Seppi people.
If I do not hear anything within the next few weeks I may just go with a Flail.

[stuvecorp]

Yes.

I am still waiting to hear back from the Seppi people.
If I do not hear anything within the next few weeks I may just go with a Flail.

The flail isn't able to handle bigger stuff, right? It sucks the Tak 153 can't flow enough to run a 40" and I think a 30" is too small for a machine that big.

[AWJ Services]

The flail isn't able to handle bigger stuff, right? It sucks the Tak 153 can't flow enough to run a 40" and I think a 30" is too small for a machine that big.

Flail mowers are not made for mulching but for mowing and shredding.
Fixed tooth cutters with carbide usually require more power to use.
Knife style cutters will mulch and are efficient but cannot tolerate rocks.

The Seppi is a swinging knife style head which will help with the mulching.
Dennis cimaf should have a fixed knife mulching head for my size excavator in the spring but it will be 20-25k so I am told.


The Flail is a very cost effective solution and it my be the best choice for me.
I want to see what the Seppi will cost before I make a decision.

[ksss]

Flail mowers are not made for mulching but for mowing and shredding.
Fixed tooth cutters with carbide usually require more power to use.
Knife style cutters will mulch and are efficient but cannot tolerate rocks.

The Seppi is a swinging knife style head which will help with the mulching.
Dennis cimaf should have a fixed knife mulching head for my size excavator in the spring but it will be 20-25k so I am told.


The Flail is a very cost effective solution and it my be the best choice for me.
I want to see what the Seppi will cost before I make a decision.


Based on what you had said I contacted Seppi. I about fell over. I could not believe it.

[AWJ Services]

Based on what you had said I contacted Seppi. I about fell over. I could not believe it.

On the price?

[ksss]

On the price?


Yea, I can pull it off my email but it was 18K plus for the fixed teeth and 14K for swing blades, 2K for the ability rotate the head, plus another 1.5K for something else. They lost me after the first 18K.

[AWJ Services]

Yea, I can pull it off my email but it was 18K plus for the fixed teeth and 14K for swing blades, 2K for the ability rotate the head, plus another 1.5K for something else. They lost me after the first 18K.

If you buy the heavy duty 40" Flail mower from US mower it will set you back close to 10K.