Chevy HD re-design in 2011?

[meets1]

Heard this today from my neighborly dodge dealer/owner/next door neighbor? He said that he heard it will be new design from ground on up in order to compete with the ford and now new dodge that is or will be coming out. He told me most of my truck which is just carry-over from the past gm trucks. Maybe so but just wondering if any one else has heard or seen anything?

I hope GM does come with a new set-up. I am a gm man and I have owned them all but Gm needs to up the ford/dodge trucks to stay, keep and be vialbe into the future.

[TXNSLighting]

No theyre just getting a face lift and a new D-max. Maybe a little interior work but i doubt it. I think theres pics out there if you do a search.

[milsaps118]

I don't think that GM could afford to re-tool the Silverado/Sierra line after what they have just been through. Unless of course..........they get more bailout money.:cry::cry:

[meets1]

The way I see it they are coming out with better cars at this point and maybe that was in the works but either way gm needs to be going after it to stay with it. trucks - look at ford, look at dodge what do they offer? What are the weak points? Gm needs to come with a new truck that works those details into there truck all while looking at themselves in the mirror and making there truck better as well.

[lawn king]

I purchased a 2008 silverado, allison duramax 3500 pick up last year. I can tell you, GM doesn't have to worry about keeping up with anyone!

[meets1]

I have 6 GMC - 97 is the oldest with 150K, an 03 with 125K and the rest are all 07, 08,09, all 3/4 with 6.o gas. My truck is a 4 door with D-max 3/4. Not alot fo worry about but we run plows on these trucks and they handle pretty well, sanders, and our longest trailer is a 32 ft gooseneck. It just seems as though ford/dodge keep improvements coming and where GM is now with there truck, there kinda the 3rd guy in line again. I understand the soga goes on forever when a new truck comes out but Gm - its there turn and they better hit a homerun!

[Superscapes]

Current powerstroke> Current duramax

[DeereMan85]

From what I know, the '07 trucks were a complete redesign. Sure, they borrowed some components from the old style, but that's commonplace. It seems like for the past 20 years or so most pickup designs have an 8-10 year lifespan, with a facelift somewhere around the 4-5 year mark. It sounds like that is probably what GM has planned. I really doubt they would do another total redesign so soon when their focus right now is to cut unnecessary costs and become profitable. In my experience, Ford and GM HD trucks are both quality products in their current form, but Dodge is not really considered a threat to either of them regardless of what they have coming out.

[TYCINC]

Current powerstroke> Current duramax

Idk about that buddy. . . I bleed blue but I think D-max has IH beat this time. . . I kinda wish Ford would have gone with a CAT diesel instead of building thier own. . . man the yellow block would look sooooo sharp under the hood!

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

ive never driven a dmax, but even though max tq. comes in at 2K on the 6.4L(higher than the cummins or dmax according to the ads), thats a helluvalot of get up and go on the highways. i do alot of towing at higher speeds and this really does make a big difference, you barely feel the trailer back there.

heres a link to some spy shots:
http://www.automotivetraveler.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=817&Itemid=249

[Petr51488]

Current powerstroke> Current duramax

Yea you wish buddy!


Their not doing a total re-disign. Just some front end cosmetic work. The new chevy hd looks like a cross between the 1500 chevy and the gmc hd. Also, the new duramax as mentioned.

[jbturf]

good luck to thrm, they do need to hit a homerun as others have mentioned
to stay viable
im personally quite dissapointed in my 08 gmc hd

[TXNSLighting]

The new GMC. Looks like they fixed the bulgy fenders finally. http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=21983&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2 Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fseptember2009%2Fgmc-sierra-hd-1022-1.jpg

[TXNSLighting]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery.php?postid=15762&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fphotos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2 Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fjanuary2009%2Fchevy-3500-2.jpg Chevy front end. Looks better.

[Hanau]

Talking about concept trucks, anybody remember the Big Red Truck that Dodge unveiled in about 1998?

Totally awesome, yet never made it into production.

Too bad, I'd have about 6 of the things by now.

Sometimes manufacturers come so close to kissing Perfection on her sweet succulent lips, then pull back at the last moment.

Enjoy this blast from the past.

Dodge Unveils 'Big Red Truck'; Turbo-Diesel Ram Showcases Engine Upgrade Option for 1998
7 January 1998

Dodge Unveils 'Big Red Truck'; Turbo-Diesel Ram Showcases Engine Upgrade Option for 1998

DETROIT, Jan. 7 -- Turbo Heads will salivate when they see
Big Red Truck hauling their way. Armed with the new Cummins 24-Valve Turbo
Diesel Engine and a towing capacity that exceeds 11,000 pounds, Dodge's latest
big-shouldered show truck was unveiled today at the North American
International Auto Show in Detroit.
Dodge Big Red Truck is the towing enthusiast's dream vehicle for over-the-
road hauling. It's a brawny Dodge Ram Quad Cab show truck with a new Cummins
diesel powerplant. Now available on 1998 Ram pickups, this upgraded engine is
a 5.9-liter, in-line six cylinder, 24-valve, electronically fuel-injected,
intercooled turbo diesel engine.
"Big Red Truck provides the perfect package for us to introduce our
powerful new Cummins diesel engine for the 1998 Dodge Ram pickup," said Ray
Fisher, General Manager of the Dodge Division. "This show vehicle personifies
what Dodge trucks are all about -- bold, powerful and capable."
The new turbo diesel is the next generation of legendary B Series Cummins
engines. The 24-Valve Turbo Diesel Engine features a new electronic fuel
system and electronic integration which will offer Dodge diesel customers
increased horsepower and torque over a broader power range.
The new turbo diesel generates 235 horsepower at only 2700 rpm - 20
horsepower increase over the previous engine. A broader torque curve means
hitting an awesome 460 lbs-ft at 1600 rpms. In addition, the new 24-valve
Turbo Diesel Engine improves fuel economy up to five percent as a result of
its cylinder-centered fuel injection which improves combustion efficiency.
When conceiving the revolutionary design of the Ram pickup truck five
years ago, Dodge designers used over-the-road big rigs as their initial design
inspiration. When styling Big Red Truck, they took it one step further.
Big Red Truck is painted Flame Red, the signature color of the Dodge
brand. Its bold cross-hair grille is modified but instantly-recognizable as a
Dodge Ram. Its front fascia has an aggressive look and incorporates energy
absorbers, tow hooks, high-power fog lamps, and an air dam.
One of Big Red Truck's most notable design features is its gradually-
sloping, 18-inch-high aero raised roof that extends back from the windshield,
giving the vehicle the appearance of a powerful semi tractor. A flush,
forward-edge light bar is incorporated into the roof and runs the width of the
windshield's top edge. Side engine exhausters run under the integrated, self-
cleaning steps and cold air intakes are seamlessly styled into the truck's
modified hood. Both indicate a seriously potent powertrain.
Built as the ultimate tow vehicle, Big Red Truck features integrated
trailer tow mirrors, a fifth wheel hitch and sport valance. Sixteen-inch
wheels combined with LT255/85R16 sized tires (three sizes larger than
standard) add 1 1/2 inches of road clearance. Fender flares, rear dually
fenders and raised bed rails with tie-down handles are seamlessly integrated
into the vehicle's design.
Because Big Red Truck was built for the long haul, interior designers
focused on maximizing interior space and comfort. Its raised aero roof
provides additional room for overhead storage and improved head room.
Features include a swing-down six-inch flat-screen LCD TV, VCR with remote
control, CB radio, rear audio with headphones, and, of course, four hot/cold
cupholders.
Designers lengthened the rear of the cab eight inches by extending it over
Big Red Truck's eight-foot box. Additional cab space allowed them to
incorporate a rear row of Mist Gray leather seats. And, by removing the
center console from between the front driver and passenger seat, an access-way
was created between the front and rear seats.

Dodge Big Red Truck Specifications:
Vehicle Dodge Ram Quad Cab 3500 4X4
GVWR (lb.) 11,000
GCWR (lb.) 18,000
GAWR (lb.) Front 4,500
Rear 7,500
Payload (lb.) 4,500
Wheelbase 155"
Engine Cummins 24-Valve Intercooled Turbo Diesel
Power 235 hp @ 2700 rpm
Torque 460 lb.-ft. Torque @ 1600-2700 rpm
Transmission NV4500HD 5-Speed Manual
Modifications Raised Aero Roof Extension
Cab length is increased eight inches
Roof raised 18 inches
Front row bucket seats
Rear seats are 40/20/40
Amenities Include: Video cassette player, monitor,
CB radio, rear audio/video controls, headphones,
and rear power outlets
Halo lighting effect along upper packaging shelf
area
Additional overhead storage
Raised theater-style seating for rear passengers

SOURCE Chrysler Corporation

[Superscapes]

Yea you wish buddy!


Their not doing a total re-disign. Just some front end cosmetic work. The new chevy hd looks like a cross between the 1500 chevy and the gmc hd. Also, the new duramax as mentioned.

Lets see, the ford has more tow capacity has a stronger motor and stronger transmission than the current duramax. There isnt a argument here. Chevy is reworking their platform to keep up, plain and simple. Name another diesel truck on the market that can make 550whp with a programmer and intake and hold the power reliably.

[meets1]

Is the above statement true? I don't have the time or energy to see which motor is out-doing which at any certain time. I know what I have and the d-max has been good for me. There is also a diesel shop here that works an every truck under the sun - they have yet to see the new ford but it can only get better from the nightmare stories they tell. D-max has a few issues now and then and cummins is knock on wood but also has a few minor things here and there.

You can't tell me that cat engines never have a problem, or a john deere implement having motor troubles. Problem is everyone, including myself thinks they have the best!!

[Petr51488]

Lets see, the ford has more tow capacity has a stronger motor and stronger transmission than the current duramax. There isnt a argument here. Chevy is reworking their platform to keep up, plain and simple. Name another diesel truck on the market that can make 550whp with a programmer and intake and hold the power reliably.

You're telling me the ford trans is better then the allison? hah

[lawn king]

Lets see, the ford has more tow capacity has a stronger motor and stronger transmission than the current duramax. There isnt a argument here. Chevy is reworking their platform to keep up, plain and simple. Name another diesel truck on the market that can make 550whp with a programmer and intake and hold the power reliably.

Duramax is about to release the 5th generation, they have put ford to shame over the last 5 years on power, reliability and mileage! Better tranny than allison? i dont think so. You are bragging about a new truck thats not even out yet?

[ProTouch Groundscapes]

there is strong evidence that a torqshift trans can hold power better than an allison. it hasnt come from my mouth, this is aftermarket tuners saying this.

an allison has to be built up much sooner than does a torqshift trans when your diesel is putting out more power than stock.

and as it stands, all of the big three are within 20hp and 10lb ft. of tq with each other.

i own chevy trucks and ford trucks. we used to run many dodges as well. so i am not brand biased here, again this is from what ive seen reported.

[Petr51488]

Duramax is about to release the 5th generation, they have put ford to shame over the last 5 years on power, reliability and mileage! Better tranny than allison? i dont think so. You are bragging about a new truck thats not even out yet?

x2 +1 lol....

[meets1]

Talked to the diesels guys today or tonight as I have tod o there lawn. He was saying there 3rd qt report on engines were 83% fords this last quarter of work. Really no reason why - just stuff all over the board. This guy loves cummins so he don't care b/t gm and ford. He also said that guys with chips are fine and have fun but ulimately the truck can only carry so much weight and the diesels engines out now are seriously out of there league being put in a 3/4 pickup. In his opnion though thus far Allison rules.

[mjealey]

In plain stock form the Allison rules the roost on the trannies. I've owned them all, and it is the smoothest most reliable tranny out right now. My last truck was a 7.3 Ford, and I don't care what badge I have on the front grille. People complain becuase they don't hold up with all these hot tuners, exhausts, and whatever power adders. My trucks have to get me to work both ways, then hook up to a trailer and pull my trailer every night and on the weekend. I could care less if my truck has a 1,00o HP and if the trannies can hold up to it. My family owns a farm in Ohio and they switched all their trucks to GM with the Allsions. They have 6 ranging in years, some with well over 200,000 miles, pulling 14,000 lb. grain carts to the grain elevator quite frequently. No problems with the Allisons on all of them, and can't say the same about the Ford and Dodge's they had. I was die hard Ford and Powerstroke for the longest time. I got to admit in their current form the D-Max's and Allisons are the best overall package out right now. That is why I switched to one from a Powerstroke and has been the best thing I have done yet. I will be in need of a new truck in 2 - 3 years and I will definetly take a look at the new Fords to see how they stack up against the D-Max's

[lawn king]

Well said, i also jumped from an f350 7.3 to the allison duramax 6.6 Night & day difference! Talking 100% stock here folks!

[DirtymaxDiesel2500HD]

Hands down best truck. 06 or 07 Classic Dmax LBZ Engine w/ 6 sp. Ally. Most power without the dpf (without having to mod it). No truck even compares to the dmax with the Ally tranny. Towing on huge grades with the cruise on the truck practically drives itself, also love the manual transmission option to use engine braking to slow down on downgrades and coming up to stoplights/stopsigns.

[TXNSLighting]

Hands down best truck. 06 or 07 Classic Dmax LBZ Engine w/ 6 sp. Ally. Most power without the dpf (without having to mod it). No truck even compares to the dmax with the Ally tranny. Towing on huge grades with the cruise on the truck practically drives itself, also love the manual transmission option to use engine braking to slow down on downgrades and coming up to stoplights/stopsigns.

A little over exagerated, but mostly accurate.

[G. Ramey]

My company used chevrolet 3500s with 454s until 1993. We changed to ford diesels in 93. The first ones were the old turbo diesels (weak!). When the 7.3 came out we were very happy. The 6.0 was a different story. We had six 6.0s at the same time. There was one and sometimes two in the shop every month. We occasionally would have two in the shop and another one waiting to go. Fords customer service was disgusting. They would put other trucks in front of ours, because ours were under warranty. If they had a private pay truck to be worked on they would work on it first because they could make more money on a truck that was out of warranty. Sometimes we would have a truck down for 6 weeks at a time just sitting at the dealership. When the 6.4l came out we were afraid of it, not to mention sick and tired of the dealers in the area. We bought our first 4500 duramax trucks in 2008. We now have three with a fourth one on the way. None of our 30 employees want to go back to what we had before. Two of the chevrolets have 60,000 plus on them now. The worst problems we have had are one windshield wiper motor and two air ride seat compressors have been replaced. No engine or transmission problems at all. It is a shame that chevrolet discontinued the 4500s. I don,t know what we will do when we need to replace another truck. I hope chevy will come out with a new 4500 platform soon, maybe one based on a pickup.

[Superscapes]

The CURRENT torqueshift is much stronger than the current duramax. Ive oowned a duramax before and many chevy trucks, I'm not a chevy hater. Do some research so you dont look straight ignorant. The current torqueshift's are holding 600whp stock I dont know of any allisons doing that, hell most of them start to slip around the 480 mark. But what the **** do I know, i've only owned single turbo th400 supra, 911's, m3's vipers etc etc etc.

[lawn king]

It took GM a long,long,long time to get it right on diesels, perhaps some of you remember the converted gas motors from the 1980's (DISASTER)!! They finally hit a home run with the duramax!

[Turf Commando]

Well said, i also jumped from an f350 7.3 to the allison duramax 6.6 Night & day difference! Talking 100% stock here folks!

Must of been darker then you thought probably hopped out of chevy and landed in FORD..? ....lol

Chevy guys think they make the best trucks, yet Ford out sells ( Chevy and GMC ) all the time...

Only once did Chevy out sell Ford I believe it was 98..?

[meets1]

My friendly neighbor the dodge dealer/owner said here over the weekend that chevy / GMC sales out sell ford. He was just talking about GMC, chevy, ford, lincoln there all the same but all counted differently cuz of bagdes on the hood. Either way does it matter? He said the all new dodge 3/4ton is now the new truck on the block!

[DeereMan85]

http://jalopnik.com/5126174/toyota-passes-dodge-for-third-place-in-us-truck-sales

Total 2008 pickup sales in the US. Chevy/GMC blows Ford away. Not that I agree with sales numbers as an assessment of quality (even though I'm a GM guy), but we might as well get the numbers straight.

[pawatch]

It would seem that the Duramax also has some problems. Go to Duramax forums and you can find out what problems they have.
But heck they all have problems.

I often thought if you could put the Cummings engine in a Ford or GMC then you would have a pretty good truck.

[Turf Commando]

http://jalopnik.com/5126174/toyota-passes-dodge-for-third-place-in-us-truck-sales

Total 2008 pickup sales in the US. Chevy/GMC blows Ford away.


Do you really expect me to take one site seriously...?
I can do the same thing
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS204021+05-Jan-2009+PRN20090105

[DeereMan85]

Can you read? For naming the best-selling truck, they use sales of each individual nameplate. Chevy and GMC are tallied separately, and neither one of them outsells Ford individually, although Chevy is not far behind. Combined, they sell 200,000 more than Ford. Since they are essentially the same truck with a different grille designed and built by a single company, comparing Ford vs. only Chevy or GMC individually doesn't paint an accurate picture of which platform sells best.

Also note that I said sales figures are not a good assessment of quality. I was making an argument in Ford's favor if you did not understand. There are too many variables besides quality that drive purchases for sheer volume to indicate superiority. Frankly, I think they both make great vehicles, but I prefer GM because of my dealer.

By the way, the link you posted is a Ford press release. I think a table tallying sales figures from a vehicle review website is a lot more objective.

[meets1]

Deereman85 - my dodge neighbor dealer owner gave me the same website over the weekend - although he is still die hard dodge man!

[sven1277]

Does anyone know what GM is planning for the class 4/5 market? The kodiak is a great truck, but something sized to compete with Ford and Dodge would be nice.

[Turf Commando]

Can you read? .

Sorry bout that read to quicky continue on...:waving:

[Petr51488]

It would seem that the Duramax also has some problems. Go to Duramax forums and you can find out what problems they have.
But heck they all have problems.

I often thought if you could put the Cummings engine in a Ford or GMC then you would have a pretty good truck.

Why is it that sooooooo many people spell the dodge diesel name wrong? There is no "G" in cummins...

[P.Services]

Why is it that sooooooo many people spell the dodge diesel name wrong? There is no "G" in cummins...

thank you!!!!! for keeping my blood pressure from exploding. that bugs the living pi$$ out of me!! how stupid can you get?

[TXNSLighting]

thank you!!!!! for keeping my blood pressure from exploding. that bugs the living pi$$ out of me!! how stupid can you get?

Exactly!!!

[pawatch]

thank you!!!!! for keeping my blood pressure from exploding. that bugs the living pi$$ out of me!! how stupid can you get?

I don't know, you tell me.

[meets1]

So why doesn't chevy introduce this truck in early 2010 like ford is doing with there new diesel truck which if I read right in the wall street journal that this is coming out as a 2011 model?

While chevy does this they need to increase there tire size instead of those little weeny wacker tires - what a shame! At least ford has decent looking tires and I really don't no about the dodge truck but every GM owner I see either keeps those little things or spends more money - like me - on different tires.

[Petr51488]

So why doesn't chevy introduce this truck in early 2010 like ford is doing with there new diesel truck which if I read right in the wall street journal that this is coming out as a 2011 model?

While chevy does this they need to increase there tire size instead of those little weeny wacker tires - what a shame! At least ford has decent looking tires and I really don't no about the dodge truck but every GM owner I see either keeps those little things or spends more money - like me - on different tires.

THe only weeny tires they have IMO is on the work truck models. I really like the tires/rims that i have on my truck. I think i have the SLE or SLT? Its the "biggest" ones they offer.

[Country Side Lawn Care]

well, with all the whose truck is better talk...One thing I do know is that trucks arent what they used to be. Were payin 30-50k for vehicles that arent near as solid or more reliable than they used to be. Were payin more for cheaper parts...its a shame...but thats how everything is these days. Also, if emissions werent ridiculous these days we would have a lot better motors than what we do.

On that note International pretty much dropped the bomb for ford with their powerjokes they built. Thats why Ford is goin out on the limb with the new 6.7L. It's a shame dodge got rid of the bullet proof 5.9L Cummins because of the emissions, along with Ford removing the 7.3 from the line. Chevy always had great gas mileage on their side...not sure if I read it here, but I do remember reading something about they didnt meet emissions, so they paid a fine to the Gov for all the trucks they made?

[meets1]

About the tires- the 1/2 ton models are fine but the 3/4 ton models are all weeny tires with goofy looking rims.

Emmisions kill ya. My dodge dealer nieghbor man told here this weekend that roughly 30-40 % of gas burned is all the engine uses - the rest is smothered out the exhaust to keep things cleaner - ie the air quality. Truth to this statement - first I have heard of it but maybe.........

[360ci]

Everyone seems to be re-designing their trucks lately. GM does have the best ride of the HD trucks on the market. However, I like to buy and hold onto vehicles until they fall apart, so I'd get a 3500 SRW Cummins if I decided to upgrade. Ford has had too many recalls for nearly all their diesel engines, with the 6.0L being the worst of the bunch to date. Perhaps their new 6.7L will be as good as the old faithful 7.3L mill. When it comes down to it, the Cummins is the best for TBO time, and an I6 beats out a V8 diesel any day. For those that disagree, then you should contact the major class 8 truck manufacturers and tell them that I6 engines are a bad idea. Don't expect a returned phone call.

Why is it that sooooooo many people spell the dodge diesel name wrong? There is no "G" in cummins...

I've noticed that too. Perhaps they listen to too much Burton Cummings?

[360ci]

I'll also mention that the new Dodge HD models have thicker U joints for 2010 to better handle the stress of a plow, or other aftermarket equipment. I can't say if they're as good, or better than those on the Ford or GM trucks, but GM still uses urethane joints if I'm not mistaken. If anything else, it makes them slightly easier to change (torch the joint until it falls out!).