S630 Demo

[mrsops]

So i finally got the chance to run the new bobcat s630 today. I Even snapped a few pics of under the cab which was a big improvement. First things first they did a great job with this machine. Getting in and out was just to easy i couldn't believe it. The visibility was great to the cutting edge and the side visibility was very good as well i was able to see the back of my tires with no problem what so ever. For all you guys that thought the rear visibility was not going to be any better because of the cab being moved forward you got it wrong. The rear visibility is def better then the current models. It slopes down making it easier to see. The visibility to the top is AMAZING!! you don't have to strecth your neck at all when loading just sit back and relax..

Cab was very roomy and i like what they did with the handles bending them in makes it more comfortable for the operator. Also has a ton of leg room at the bottom and a much easier clean out system. I love where the throttle is on this machine i caught myself a few times forgetting thinking i was in one of my other machines but its something to get used to..

Machine was quick, smooth and powerful i actually felt i was running a bobcat s220 but this machine is nicer. I was going into piles with no problems. It would kick the hell out of my s205. Overall i was very very impressed when next spring comes i will be in the new m series bobcat.

[Gravel Rat]

They have cleaned up the guts pretty good its not a nightmare to work on anymore.

It will be curios to see what Doosan does to them.

[mrsops]

They have cleaned up the guts pretty good its not a nightmare to work on anymore.

It will be curios to see what Doosan does to them.

They sure did gravel

[bobcat_ron]

They turned the valve bank sideways to make it easier to get to busted lines, and with all those lines, I can see 7 areas where lines will rub and chaff through after 300 hours, looks better, but no one can beat Cat's under-the-cab layout.

[Junior M]

They turned the valve bank sideways to make it easier to get to busted lines, and with all those lines, I can see 7 areas where lines will rub and chaff through after 300 hours, looks better, but no one can beat Cat's under-the-cab layout.
could you point out these 7 areas?

I am not asking to be contradict, I just dont see where they would. And I'd like to learn to see things like this..

[bobcat_ron]

could you point out these 7 areas?

I am not asking to be contradict, I just dont see where they would. And I'd like to learn to see things like this..

Anyone can see the 7 areas, hoses that are too close to other lines.

Even if they are 1/4" apart, they can rub together, considering how much work I get with my dumping hopper and all the vibrations a CTL gets while loaded with that much weight up front, oh yeah, there's gonna be some issues.

[mrsops]

Still cant take away much from this machine i was very impressed

[Junior M]

Anyone can see the 7 areas, hoses that are too close to other lines.

Even if they are 1/4" apart, they can rub together, considering how much work I get with my dumping hopper and all the vibrations a CTL gets while loaded with that much weight up front, oh yeah, there's gonna be some issues.
Well I guess I made that a little more complicated than it shoulda been.

I thought maybe there was something I wasnt seeing.

[bobcat_ron]

It doesn't look like much, but they will be an issue.

[Gravel Rat]

Rubber hoses are not bad it is the hard lines that rub are bad.

After 100 hours of running you will see where things are rubbing.

It takes a long time to wear a hole through a hydraulic line. Get some zap straps and start securing what ever has excessive movement.

[mrsops]

HMMMM your reaching ronnie :laugh:... Maybe 1

[bobcat_ron]

Even before I signed the papers on my T190 in 2003, I had the dealer wrap yellow hose armour around all the hoses that were too close, and sure enough, 4 years later, 2 hoses rubbed through the armour guarding.

[farmerknowsbest]

Ron, if those are 4 wire hoses wear won't be an issue. Chances are they are only single wire however. I agree with GR. Keep an eye on things, if wear is occurring get out the wire ties and old tire tubes and start protecting. Even on your precious kitty you'll have to do that eventually. :D

Warren

[Junior M]

Even before I signed the papers on my T190 in 2003, I had the dealer wrap yellow hose armour around all the hoses that were too close, and sure enough, 4 years later, 2 hoses rubbed through the armour guarding.
How many hours was this?

[93turbo]

sometimes I think that thin mountain air has deprived you of to much oxygen Ron

[bobcat_ron]

How many hours was this?

2007 it had 1400 hours, the main drive lines from the pumps, they were tight to each other and the armour wore right through.
Keep in mind that I averaged over 500 hours per year on the jack hammer, an attachment that eventually killed both skid steers pivot pins and cracked the loader arms on the T190, jack hammers are brutal on any machine.

[bobcat_ron]

sometimes I think that thin mountain air has deprived you of to much oxygen Ron

I live at sea level, but today's job with the smell of rotten milk, chlorine and manure sure made me loopy.

Look for the video tomorrow.

[Gravel Rat]

Ron is almost below sea level in the Valley :laugh:

the smell of rotten milk, chlorine and manure sure made me loopy.

That sounds appetizing :laugh:

For all the weird smells you deal with you could have a girlfriend that is a little ripe between the legs and not even know it :laughing:

[alco]

sometimes I think that thin mountain air has deprived you of to much oxygen Ron

Thin mountain air, hahahahaha. Abbotsford is only 124 feet above sea level.

[Junior M]

2007 it had 1400 hours, the main drive lines from the pumps, they were tight to each other and the armour wore right through.
Keep in mind that I averaged over 500 hours per year on the jack hammer, an attachment that eventually killed both skid steers pivot pins and cracked the loader arms on the T190, jack hammers are brutal on any machine.
It'd probably be 2000 hours before it ever hurt those hoses doing typical dirt work..

[YellowDogSVC]

could you point out these 7 areas?

I am not asking to be contradict, I just dont see where they would. And I'd like to learn to see things like this..

Junior, you need your CAT safety glasses to see the 7 areas. In fact, if you put them on, you can see the Bobcats steaming like a fresh a doo-doo from a big dog. I personally do not wear those glasses and can see what Mr. Sops saw when he looked at the machine.

[YellowDogSVC]

Still cant take away much from this machine i was very impressed

so you tried out the hand/foot pedal version?

[mrsops]

so you tried out the hand/foot pedal version?

Yes i did yellow

[mrsops]

Junior, you need your CAT safety glasses to see the 7 areas. In fact, if you put them on, you can see the Bobcats steaming like a fresh a doo-doo from a big dog. I personally do not wear those glasses and can see what Mr. Sops saw when he looked at the machine.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:..

[bobcat_ron]

The M series under-the-cab look is still better than before, but you can't beat the Cat's layout.

[thebobcatguy]

I can see eight points in that Cat photo where hoses will rub through.

[mrsops]

I can see eight points in that Cat photo where hoses will rub through.

Ronnie just has to face the facts on this one.. The new m series blows the cat c series away..

[bobcat_ron]

I can see eight points in that Cat photo where hoses will rub through.

504 hours, no rubbing, and those hoses are more than 1/2" apart.

Point them out of you dare.

[bobcat_ron]

Ronnie just has to face the facts on this one.. The new m series blows the cat c series away..

But they sure copied Cat!

[BigDigger]

sometimes I think that thin mountain air has deprived you of to much oxygen Ron


HAHAHAHA......that's funny because even on his mountain he is typically at a much lower elevation than most of the prairie region aka the rest of us.

I got your back Ron......though didn't help much

[bobcat_ron]

HAHAHAHA......that's funny because even on his mountain he is typically at a much lower elevation than most of the prairie region aka the rest of us.

I got your back Ron......though didn't help much

Us Cat owners need to stick up for each other, all these other "people" are just jealous 'cuz we be pimpin' in style with our wonderful Cat skid steers.

[BigDigger]

I agree.

Interesting poll was done of major brand skid steer owners. Most often heard comments where as follows:

Bobcat Owners: "My ass/feet/arms hurt"

Case Owners: "My ass hurts" and "My ass hurts more than usual this time...." (heard said by case owner after minor service)

JCB Owners: "My ass hurts"

Mustang/Gehl Owners: "My ass hurts"

Takiuchi Owners: "My ass hurts" "....My spine hurts"

Cat Owners: "....My ass hurts just looking at those other machines"

Owners of Junior M: "....Hell yeah his ass hurts"

Now this is just a smattering of the most common comments. Now I know the truth hurts and I fully expect some sort of backlash here. When your ass hurts emotions tend to leak out...*among other things* So break out the hemorrhoid and pucker up and let out the feelings my friends, us CAT owners are here to help you through the hard times.

[westcoh]

Cat Owners: "....My ass hurts every time I walk out the door of my CAT dealership"



Just fixed up that one quote for you

[ksss]

Just fixed up that one quote for you



Let me add one:

CAT owner who had no ass left. (cause he lost it after trying to sell or trade his CAT SSL or CTL for anything else.)

[Gravel Rat]

Just fixed up that one quote for you

What do you mean I thought Finnings had high quality personal lubricant when you get the royal treatment. I heard they have some special stuff for Ron :laugh:

[bobcat_ron]

What do you mean I thought Finnings had high quality personal lubricant when you get the royal treatment. I heard they have some special stuff for Ron :laugh:

Other way around actually, they gave me $23,500 for trade in on the T190 in 2007, and sold the machine for $17,500 in 2009.


Us Cat owners will never trade our beloved Cats off for anything else but another Cat.

[BigDigger]

Other way around actually, they gave me $23,500 for trade in on the T190 in 2007, and sold the machine for $17,500 in 2009.


Us Cat owners will never trade our beloved Cats off for anything else but another Cat.

True Dat


Some good anger coming out here....that's good, let out all of your frustrations. Good sharing. Just repeat after me Goosrabah......Goosrabah.....Goosrabah *see if you can name that reference*

Some good reply's keep em coming.:laugh: Nice to see I haven't lost my touch eh Ron?:cool2:

[BigDigger]

Ronnie just has to face the facts on this one.. The new m series blows the cat c series away..

Blows it away? I think "maybe" caught up would be more accurate. Just because Bobcat decided to care about ergonomics for the first time doesn't make it the best.

Let's put it this way. There is no iphone beater because the iphone defined the genera. Cat X series defined ergonomics, systems layout etc, Now M is catching up. At the end of the day I would say that Bobcat is playing catch-up to both Cat and Case especially in this regard.

There I just tossed Case a bone.....sweet mother that hurt

[BigDigger]

What do you mean I thought Finnings had high quality personal lubricant when you get the royal treatment. I heard they have some special stuff for Ron :laugh:

LOL.....I think it's called Royal Jelly. But I tell you what, at least Cat is kind enough to give you lube. To save you money Case and Bobcat don't even give you lubricant, not even a dry one like Graphite......Ring of Fire.


Ok that was too much....hehehe:nono:


But I can tell you about too much, Like how Case and Bobcat owners are always smelling smoke :cry::cry:

[Junior M]

I agree.

Interesting poll was done of major brand skid steer owners. Most often heard comments where as follows:

Bobcat Owners: "My ass/feet/arms hurt"

Case Owners: "My ass hurts" and "My ass hurts more than usual this time...." (heard said by case owner after minor service)

JCB Owners: "My ass hurts"

Mustang/Gehl Owners: "My ass hurts"

Takiuchi Owners: "My ass hurts" "....My spine hurts"

Cat Owners: "....My ass hurts just looking at those other machines"

Owners of Junior M: "....Hell yeah his ass hurts"

Now this is just a smattering of the most common comments. Now I know the truth hurts and I fully expect some sort of backlash here. When your ass hurts emotions tend to leak out...*among other things* So break out the hemorrhoid and pucker up and let out the feelings my friends, us CAT owners are here to help you through the hard times.
I am a machine now? ;)

[BigDigger]

I am a machine now? ;)

Damn right your a machine:weightlifter:......there I said it, now stop taking **** from these old guys:nono:

[Junior M]

Damn right your a machine:weightlifter:......there I said it, now stop taking **** from these old guys:nono:
Please, I dont take s#it from them. They send it my way by the shovel full, I push it back with a D8.. :cool2: :p

[YellowDogSVC]

As someone who went from a K series Bobcat to a C series CAT and back again, I can say that after 8 hours in any machine, my ass hurts. I will admit to all who hear me, that I am a born again Bobcat fan, however, I will give CAT it's due. Ergonomically, the air ride seat is very good. The air vents hitting you in the face suck and the dust in the C series cab sucked but other than that, I liked the C series CAT.
With that said, I am not uncomfortable in my K series S330. On the whole I feel good in the cab. I hate the air vents and the A/C system needs help and I could use some more leg room (im 6') but overall I'm happy in there...did I mention the air vents sucked?
So, if the M series has caught up, surpassed, or even made an honest attempt to get there, Bobcat will have a winner in the comfort department. A lot still remains to be seen for those of us who use the larger frame loaders. If Bobcat comes out with a 9500# plus, high power skid in it's next release, then I may be looking at CASE series III. I am hoping Bobcat keeps the weight down and the power up.. (I still wonder why the S330's motor can't go in an s220's frame for a serious digger?)
Anyway, the world is changing. A number of manufacturers have enviable features and I'm sure this won't be the last time we get on here and stick our feathers out for display when something new comes down the line. Personally, all I have ever wanted was an 8500 lb machine with 90 hp, a little torque (now that I know how important that is) and a good or great air conditioning system.. I thought CAT had delivered but we all know that the torque was low and many of you know my A/C problems from my CAT 272c. And yes, I do miss that machine. I just don't miss the downtime I had.

[mrsops]

As someone who went from a K series Bobcat to a C series CAT and back again, I can say that after 8 hours in any machine, my ass hurts. I will admit to all who hear me, that I am a born again Bobcat fan, however, I will give CAT it's due. Ergonomically, the air ride seat is very good. The air vents hitting you in the face suck and the dust in the C series cab sucked but other than that, I liked the C series CAT.
With that said, I am not uncomfortable in my K series S330. On the whole I feel good in the cab. I hate the air vents and the A/C system needs help and I could use some more leg room (im 6') but overall I'm happy in there...did I mention the air vents sucked?
So, if the M series has caught up, surpassed, or even made an honest attempt to get there, Bobcat will have a winner in the comfort department. A lot still remains to be seen for those of us who use the larger frame loaders. If Bobcat comes out with a 9500# plus, high power skid in it's next release, then I may be looking at CASE series III. I am hoping Bobcat keeps the weight down and the power up.. (I still wonder why the S330's motor can't go in an s220's frame for a serious digger?)
Anyway, the world is changing. A number of manufacturers have enviable features and I'm sure this won't be the last time we get on here and stick our feathers out for display when something new comes down the line. Personally, all I have ever wanted was an 8500 lb machine with 90 hp, a little torque (now that I know how important that is) and a good or great air conditioning system.. I thought CAT had delivered but we all know that the torque was low and many of you know my A/C problems from my CAT 272c. And yes, I do miss that machine. I just don't miss the downtime I had.

Yellow why don't you call your bobcat dealer on monday and let him bring you out a demo so at least you can get a feel of these new m series machines. I'm telling you your going to love it

[YellowDogSVC]

Yellow why don't you call your bobcat dealer on monday and let him bring you out a demo so at least you can get a feel of these new m series machines. I'm telling you your going to love it

I'm machine poor right now. Just bought the excavator late summer and just now getting busy again. I'm a one-man operation so I have to get some more hours on the 330 before I consider selling it. If I like the M series too much, all I will do is think about it. :dizzy::cool2:

[stuvecorp]

There I just tossed Case a bone.....sweet mother that hurt

First step to solving the problem is admitting you have a problem.:) Series 3 PowerTan can make you forget any shade of yellow.Thumbs Up

[bobcat_ron]

As far as I know, the dust in the cab issues have been solved, here anyways, we don't have that wicked fine stuff you texans do.

[BigDigger]

First step to solving the problem is admitting you have a problem.:) Series 3 PowerTan can make you forget any shade of yellow.Thumbs Up

Hey, I really did look hard at Case. Seriously.

But there where 3 problems:

1) Middle of the economic disaster so 2) Case didn't have any Cat pattern machines in stock no where they willing to bring anything in for me 3) I didn't fit, the stupid bar rested on my thighs, my legs are long so the bar couldn't go down far enough and was outside of the adjustment capability of the mechanism.

Seriously I gave case a good go. In the end the Cat provided more of the right things for me so I went for it and I have not regretted it yet. It's been a great machine this year so I am looking forward to seeing how it works this winter.

Re vents. I have no idea why you where having a problem with the vents blowing in your face Yellowdog. all of the vents rotate and they are mounted quite low, in fact to get them to blow in your face would take some time to plan. Not saying it didn't happen, just thought it an odd comment given the setup.

RE the dust, I haven't had any major problems with that, but I do clean the filters quite often. Anything that is effective at filtering is gonna clog up fast. But I do understand some of your issues where more specific to the work you do and prior to the filter update.

[ksss]

Hey, I really did look hard at Case. Seriously.

But there where 3 problems:

1) Middle of the economic disaster so 2) Case didn't have any Cat pattern machines in stock no where they willing to bring anything in for me 3) I didn't fit, the stupid bar rested on my thighs, my legs are long so the bar couldn't go down far enough and was outside of the adjustment capability of the mechanism.

Seriously I gave case a good go. In the end the Cat provided more of the right things for me so I went for it and I have not regretted it yet. It's been a great machine this year so I am looking forward to seeing how it works this winter.

Re vents. I have no idea why you where having a problem with the vents blowing in your face Yellowdog. all of the vents rotate and they are mounted quite low, in fact to get them to blow in your face would take some time to plan. Not saying it didn't happen, just thought it an odd comment given the setup.

RE the dust, I haven't had any major problems with that, but I do clean the filters quite often. Anything that is effective at filtering is gonna clog up fast. But I do understand some of your issues where more specific to the work you do and prior to the filter update.


As far as them not getting the machine you wanted to demo, that can be a tough deal, I wish dealers would be more accommodating but I also realize that moving machines around can get expensive (not that, that is a good excuse). As far as a machine not fitting, sometimes that happens, you get into a machine and it doesn't fit either physically or mentally. My hats off to you trying out what was available and bought what you felt best in. Cant ask anymore of a customer than that.

[BigDigger]

As far as them not getting the machine you wanted to demo, that can be a tough deal, I wish dealers would be more accommodating but I also realize that moving machines around can get expensive (not that, that is a good excuse). As far as a machine not fitting, sometimes that happens, you get into a machine and it doesn't fit either physically or mentally. My hats off to you trying out what was available and bought what you felt best in. Cant ask anymore of a customer than that.

**** that's about the nicest thing you ever said to me :waving::drinkup:

[YellowDogSVC]

Hey, I really did look hard at Case. Seriously.

B

Re vents. I have no idea why you where having a problem with the vents blowing in your face Yellowdog. all of the vents rotate and they are mounted quite low, in fact to get them to blow in your face would take some time to plan. Not saying it didn't happen, just thought it an odd comment given the setup.

RE the dust, I haven't had any major problems with that, but I do clean the filters quite often. Anything that is effective at filtering is gonna clog up fast. But I do understand some of your issues where more specific to the work you do and prior to the filter update.

Not enough room to rehash all my issues but they are buried in other threads. The vents all face forward and when the AC system sucks debris in, it blows out of the vents towards you. In TX heat, if you don't point vents towards you, you won't cool off.

CAT put in updated filters and other areas leaked (under cab) clogging the evaporator. The machine just wasn't ready to be released into the mulching operation here. Overall, the machine was a winner and CAT knew I liked it but they were unable to meet my needs at a specific time. If I could get a promise of a more responsive service dept., I would consider CAT again especially as the C series evolves.

[bobcat_ron]

Hell I would have gone with Case too, but 2" of less cab width, no pilot controls (back then) piss poor cab (even the series 3 have holes in the cab) and their aux. couplers were too high up on the loader. Big turn offs.

[Gravel Rat]

Hell I would have gone with Case too, but 2" of less cab width, no pilot controls (back then) piss poor cab (even the series 3 have holes in the cab) and their aux. couplers were too high up on the loader. Big turn offs.

Does Parker Pacific even sell skid steer loaders because CASE brand skid steers are not overly popular.

[stuvecorp]

Hell I would have gone with Case too, but 2" of less cab width, no pilot controls (back then) piss poor cab (even the series 3 have holes in the cab) and their aux. couplers were too high up on the loader. Big turn offs.

I would like to see how everyones cabs compare for room. I'd give you the lack of pilots/control style but the couplers? Not ever heard anyone complain about that.

[Gravel Rat]

Well Ron is a big guy so cab size would be a concern :laugh:

[YellowDogSVC]

I would like to see how everyones cabs compare for room. I'd give you the lack of pilots/control style but the couplers? Not ever heard anyone complain about that.

I'm a big guy and I fit fine in Bobcat. Any more belly and I'll have to take the seat bar out :weightlifter: but I fit snug and comfy for the most part. CAT too, in the B series and C series. Not sure about other makes but isn't the series III CASE more comfy?

[ksss]

I'm a big guy and I fit fine in Bobcat. Any more belly and I'll have to take the seat bar out :weightlifter: but I fit snug and comfy for the most part. CAT too, in the B series and C series. Not sure about other makes but isn't the series III CASE more comfy?


The C series and Series 3 cab are nearly identical in dimensions. BC RON and I hashed this out already.

The location of the aux. connectors? Give me a break.

[BigDigger]

The C series and Series 3 cab are nearly identical in dimensions. BC RON and I hashed this out already.

The location of the aux. connectors? Give me a break.

Well if the dimensions are similar it's the layout then.....and it's night and day for me. Though as I understand the Cat C is a touch broader in the cab.

I am 6'4", Hell I'm so big that if I fart in the Cat C series, it's so sealed, I can damn near pop the door off. Heck I burped once and put a wrinkle in the damn roof.....

.....Sneezed in a Bobcat once.....on a demo.....blew it up clean..... I handed the salesman the door and told him the windshield needs cleaning......if he can find it :laugh:

[Junior M]

Well if the dimensions are similar it's the layout then.....and it's night and day for me. Though as I understand the Cat C is a touch broader in the cab.

I am 6'4", Hell I'm so big that if I fart in the Cat C series, it's so sealed, I can damn near pop the door off. Heck I burped once and put a wrinkle in the damn roof.....

.....Sneezed in a Bobcat once.....on a demo.....blew it up clean..... I handed the salesman the door and told him the windshield needs cleaning......if he can find it :laugh:
bahahahah!

[bobcat_ron]

The C series and Series 3 cab are nearly identical in dimensions. BC RON and I hashed this out already.

The location of the aux. connectors? Give me a break.

The series 3 I looked at earlier this year had holes about the size of my little finger around the window, and I could push my pen through the seals between the 2 side windows.
As for the couplers, I noticed when KSSS posted a pic of his big mama with his grinder, his couplers we so high up on the loader that I thought if I owned a Case, I would never get my loader high enough above the cab for reach with out shearing off the lines for a combo bucket or jack hammer, that's all Case's loader design.