A new website on water issues

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

This is one I missed before. Looks very good. Has some topics we can discuss intelligently:rolleyes:

http://www.allianceforwaterefficiency.org/

[irrig8r]

This is one I missed before. Looks very good. Has some topics we can discuss intelligently:rolleyes:

http://www.allianceforwaterefficiency.org/


Looks like they have a forum too....here are some sample threads:

http://www.allianceforwaterefficiency.org/forum.aspx?id=270,270&g=posts&t=3360

http://www.allianceforwaterefficiency.org/forum.aspx?id=270,270,270,270&g=posts&t=3644

[Mike Leary]

I'm going to read the links from Gregg in depth when we get back to the campground, but did I read they're banning ET and sensor-based clocks?

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Wow Gregg that second link is very interesting. Who wants to join me in joining that site? Should we take the irrigator parade with all its warts over there? Would they benefit from our hissy fits?

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

I'm going to read the links from Gregg in depth when we get back to the campground, but did I read they're banning ET and sensor-based clocks?

You want us to do your reading and interpreting for you? Why don't we join the site and fight like cats and dogs.

[Mike Leary]

Kiril would be in hog heaven on that site; maybe he's there.

[Mike Leary]

You want us to do your reading and interpreting for you?

I think I can pull that off, it was just a comment, after all.

[irrig8r]

I'm going to read the links from Gregg in depth when we get back to the campground, but did I read they're banning ET and sensor-based clocks?

Not a ban really. One site member seems to be accused by another of spamming on the topic too.... but that first poster seems to refer back to a business that does irrigation management and claims that businesses will want to maximize the amount of water they apply to landscapes during allowed water windows/ days.

He takes an interesting point of view... and if "smart" controllers' are as "dumb" as some of the reports suggest he may have a point. OTOH, it looks like he's looking for an "out of the box" sales angle for his services to me.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Well I don't think anybody is going to be joining that site. It takes dues. Bummer..I had so much to say too.

[irrig8r]

I didn't see anything about dues... but these are the charter sponsors:

http://www.allianceforwaterefficiency.org/AWE-Charter-Sponsors.aspx


Ahah, found it:

http://www.allianceforwaterefficiency.org/Membership-Categories-Dues.aspx

[Tom Tom]

click forum on main page, then login, then go........

[hoskm01]

I joined. Lets fight!

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

I joined. Lets fight!

Okay I joined as well. Thought for sure it was a dues thing. Last post was on Oct 7th. What topic looks the most hazardous?

[hoskm01]

Okay I joined as well. Thought for sure it was a dues thing. Last post was on Oct 7th. What topic looks the most hazardous?
I dont know, I was just browsing through them. I'm not sure of the time frame it will take me to get comfortable... They have proper spelling, punctuation, grammar, and even indents in their repsonses which have no "fun" at all associated with it.

Could I actually enjoy a true "professional only" forum?

Maybe we just need to add some spice.

[hoskm01]

I dont know, I was just browsing through them. I'm not sure of the time frame it will take me to get comfortable... They have proper spelling, punctuation, grammar, and even indents in their repsonses which have no "fun" at all associated with it.

Could I actually enjoy a true "professional only" forum?

Maybe we just need to add some spice.
And Demie Moore is on there! OMG!

http://www.ugo.com/movies/nude-scenes/images/entries/demi-moore.jpg

[Dennis Spencer]

It does have a nice color of blue.

[Kiril]

I joined. Lets fight!

Where is the fight? That report is severely lacking in many regards and IMO while the results are interesting they should not be held up as "proof" that smart controllers don't work.

If one so desired, you could pick apart that study to the point of making the results nearly irrelevant.

::hangs head in shame for not teaching Matt better::

[Wet_Boots]

Ugly shade of blue over there.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Where is the fight? That report is severely lacking in many regards and IMO while the results are interesting they should not be held up as "proof" that smart controllers don't work.

If one so desired, you could pick apart that study to the point of making the results nearly irrelevant.

::hangs head in shame for not teaching Matt better::

Like everything it is only as good as the contractor. The issue in CA is more a money issue. Anything costing the state money is going to get discredited if it can be is my guess. Luxury water use, which landscape is when you get right down to it, is going to end someday. How we get there is the real issue. At least this way the industry dies slowly and everybody has time to make career changes and future employees gravitate to other services.

[hoskm01]

Where is the fight? That report is severely lacking in many regards and IMO while the results are interesting they should not be held up as "proof" that smart controllers don't work.

If one so desired, you could pick apart that study to the point of making the results nearly irrelevant.

::hangs head in shame for not teaching Matt better::
I started the ball rolling... No contractor installing the clocks is just the beginning, but probably the biggest reason for failure, IMO

[Kiril]

Like everything it is only as good as the contractor.

Not really relevant in this study. More than 50% of the controllers were "owner installed".

The issue in CA is more a money issue. Anything costing the state money is going to get discredited if it can be is my guess.

I would tend to agree. Anything to shovel that money into some other politicians pet project.

Luxury water use, which landscape is when you get right down to it, is going to end someday. How we get there is the real issue. At least this way the industry dies slowly and everybody has time to make career changes and future employees gravitate to other services.

Will landscapes go away ... probably not. Will regionally inappropriate landscapes go away .... quite likely.

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

I started the ball rolling... No contractor installing the clocks is just the beginning, but probably the biggest reason for failure, IMO

Okay I added my 2 cents to drive the pissers mad.

[Wet_Boots]

Rabblerousers :p

[Kiril]

I started the ball rolling... No contractor installing the clocks is just the beginning, but probably the biggest reason for failure, IMO

Whether or not a contractor installed the controller does not mean it was programmed correctly. How many professionals plug and run? Probably most.

Furthermore, smart controllers, or any controller, cannot make an inefficient system efficient. The study assumed 100% efficiency (pg. 98 para. 2), which is clearly impossible for any system that is irrigated based on calculated demand. Based on my experience most systems I see would be lucky to hit 50% AE, let alone 100%.

[hoskm01]

Whether or not a contractor installed the controller does not mean it was programmed correctly. How many professionals plug and run? Probably most.

Furthermore, smart controllers, or any controller, cannot make an inefficient system efficient. The study assumed 100% efficiency (pg. 98 para. 2), which is clearly impossible for any system that is irrigated based on calculated demand. Based on my experience most systems I see would be lucky to hit 50% AE, let alone 100%.
Well, get on there and post your findings... I didn't read the whole thing, only paroused it. I wont steal your info!

[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Well, get on there and post your findings... I didn't read the whole thing, only paroused it. I wont steal your info!

Really.... Like we want the friggin lecture again.

[Kiril]

Really.... Like we want the friggin lecture again.

You will sit down and listen son, or you will get a time out in the corner.

[Kiril]

Well, get on there and post your findings... I didn't read the whole thing, only paroused it. I wont steal your info!

I registered but have not gotten the email yet. Probably got sucked up by the spam machine. Steal away, the info is there for everyone to read.

[hoskm01]

I registered but have not gotten the email yet. Probably got sucked up by the spam machine. Steal away, the info is there for everyone to read.
I didnt get my first one, either. Had to register again. Didnt even go to junk mail.

[hoskm01]

Boy Howdy! Its a snoozer over there on the forum!


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[FIMCO-MEISTER]

Maybe we freaked them out?