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tinye
11-14-2009, 03:41 PM
I finished this waterfall a few weeks ago..I used the aquascape micro pond kit. I added three submersible led lights and some accent lights as well. Tight area to work in 7" x 24 ft to work in. I bartered this with my cuz so he can finish off my deck...do you think hes done yet? I don't think so. Got a lot of inspiration on this site so thanks for the ideas!! any comments would be appreciated

tinye
11-14-2009, 03:49 PM
sorry..this is first before construction pic

STL Ponds and Waterfalls
11-14-2009, 04:55 PM
Looks good! PM me if you want to save a good chunk of cash without using the expensive waterfall boxs etc.

laird006
11-15-2009, 09:15 AM
looks good to me, i've never built one but i'm interested in these.

Summit L & D
11-15-2009, 05:05 PM
Plastic 55 gallon drums with 1" holes drilled throughout work great. You may spend an hour drilling holes, but it's cheaper and arguably a stronger finished product than the prefab boxes.

pitrack
11-16-2009, 04:31 PM
Looks good

Plastic 55 gallon drums with 1" holes drilled throughout work great. You may spend an hour drilling holes, but it's cheaper and arguably a stronger finished product than the prefab boxes.

Are you talking about down in the basin? Not a bad idea, I use 100' of corrugated pipe with holes drilled into it, but the drum sounds interesting as well.

STL Ponds and Waterfalls
11-16-2009, 06:29 PM
Looks good



Are you talking about down in the basin? Not a bad idea, I use 100' of corrugated pipe with holes drilled into it, but the drum sounds interesting as well.

Pipe works good, but I get a sump pump basin from Homedepot and drill holes in it for a pump vault. They cost a wopping $25.

pitrack
11-16-2009, 10:28 PM
Pipe works good, but I get a sump pump basin from Homedepot and drill holes in it for a pump vault. They cost a wopping $25.

I have use those as well for the pump housing, but what about all of the other area in the basin?

I usually put the sump in the middle, then have the roll of pipe go around the sump.

Summit L & D
11-17-2009, 12:09 AM
I hadn't thought of the pipe idea. The reason we use the barrel is so that we can clean it out effectively when we service the feature.

pitrack
11-17-2009, 12:57 AM
I wonder if you could get away with putting say 2 or 3 sump containers in the basin, only filling one up with the pump and leaving the other two empty, all with holes drilled into them. Hm.

STL Ponds and Waterfalls
11-17-2009, 09:47 AM
I have use those as well for the pump housing, but what about all of the other area in the basin?

I usually put the sump in the middle, then have the roll of pipe go around the sump.

That's what I meant, but I just bite the bullet and use the water matrix boxes. It's when your getting into the bigger vaults that the amtrix boxes eat up the money.

The 55 gallon plastic drums cut in half would be a great way to take up space and keep the water volume greater. This is when you have to weigh the difference in the parts cost and the labor time to have a laborer drill holes into the barrels etc.

pitrack
11-17-2009, 02:04 PM
That's what I meant, but I just bite the bullet and use the water matrix boxes. It's when your getting into the bigger vaults that the amtrix boxes eat up the money.

The 55 gallon plastic drums cut in half would be a great way to take up space and keep the water volume greater. This is when you have to weigh the difference in the parts cost and the labor time to have a laborer drill holes into the barrels etc.

I got you now. I am about to install a pondless in a couple days, maybe I will try the drum idea on this one. You said you can buy those at Home Depot?
I usually just buy the 100' roll of the pipe and it's only like $32

STL Ponds and Waterfalls
11-17-2009, 05:06 PM
Yep the sump pump basin I get from Home Depot.

billwlod
11-26-2009, 11:34 PM
When we do pond less we use these d-rain click together cages they make a good water and pump vault. There nice when your hooking a automatic waterfill float in them. Makes winterizing easy and less excavation and rock needed.
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JimLewis
11-27-2009, 02:51 AM
Nice water feature! How many of these have you installed? If this is your first I'd say it's a REALLY nice job.

Yah, like the others said, you don't need all that aquascape stuff. Especially the snorkel, centipede deal. And you don't need expensive boxes either. We've built dozens of these over the years. We'll either use a PondEco Vault (which is manufactured JUST for pondless waterfalls, with holes already pre-drilled in it). Or more often nowadays we just use a jumbo valve box (if you do any irrigation, you know what those are) and maybe a few extensions. Then we just drill a few holes on the top and sides. The lid works perfectly for keeping rock out too so the pump can be inside and enclosure without rocks getting to it.

I love the photo from behind the water feature with the Bloodgood Japanese Maple and the little pink flowering shrubs and the nandinas. Nice planting there. But on the photos from the front side, the planting looks a little lackluster. Just grasses (or are those liriope? ) all over the place. And they don't look very lush either. I would have liked to see a weeping jap. maple near the bottom hanging over or some other weeping tree and also some other flowering perennials or ferns or small shrubs and more varied grasses along the waterfall too. That would have made it really pop.

But overall, very well done! Nice placement and use of different varieties of rock and different shapes too. That's one of my biggest complaints with most other landscapers water features - they often use too much of the same kind of rock and same sizes and same color. You gotta throw in various kinds and colors and shapes of rock to come off with a natural look. Yours did that pretty well. So congrats for that.

No underlayment??? Tsk Tsk....:nono:

What pump you use?

tinye
12-14-2009, 03:28 PM
Jim,

Spent a lot of time looking at your work, before i tackled this on! Even though you are on the other side of the coast, I like your planting designs/selections, constructive comments here... I used a Aquascape 2000 gph pump for micro pondless units. I added 3 LED submersable lights on each tier drop, plus some uplighting and path lights as well. Id like to learn how to get away with not using a weir up top, and have it flow more naturally but I guess that comes with time Its hard to see but there are hostas, phlox, coral bells, creeping sedum in the beds among the k. forester grasses. There is an underlayment padding for the pondless area.

JimLewis
12-14-2009, 04:11 PM
Well, it will look even nicer when those other plants you mentioned (hostas, coral bells, etc.) start to show more. Obviously, the hostas are down for the winter. But they'll get bigger in coming years.

Still, very nice job. Nicer than most I see around here. Was it your first?