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drobin
11-21-2009, 07:35 PM
I have heard box trucks are often recommended for advertising, security, and convenience when finished for the day. What size would be ideal for 1 intermediate z, a lesco hand spreader, and a 100 gallon refill tank, plus room for fert. Also what type of gate would you recommend for the back, should you have side doors or not necessasary. What type would be most fuel efficient?

turf hokie
11-21-2009, 08:05 PM
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=289458

See the above thread. these are 2 trucks I run for the lawns as well as christmas, we just change the signs out and take ramps off.

The E350 is a 15' with 3' over hang. Side door will slide a pallet thru.
The Fuso is a 14' with walk up side door.

E350 will hold z-max, 100 gal, and 30 bags fert no problem
Fuso is higher GVW will hold 1 pallet, z, and 200 gallons (heavy but it will go)

Fuso is better for turn radius for tight dead ends, and 4 cylinder diesel for better mileage, holds more weight as well.

E350 is bigger box, more power, pulls hills better and better for our lighting biz, side door is better for loading but no turn radius and not so good on diesel.

Both have ramps semi-permanent mount from www.discountramp.com that work well. Rigged up with an extra foot to help with the weight of the zmax

You can call me if you ever want to talk. We do service where you are but mainly commercial and mostly sub work, so don't think I wont help you out just b.c of that. Heck, we might work together on some projects if the opportunity arises.

Click the lawn care link below and get my info.

Bryan

Hanau
11-21-2009, 08:16 PM
U-Haul sells off its old trucks pretty cheap.

http://www.uhaul.com/trucksales/

rcreech
11-21-2009, 09:27 PM
14 ft is all you would really need.

I carry a 250 gallon tank, 2 ton of fert and can still fit a Z and PG in my truck.

Box truck makes for a great ride!

Go into my public profile and you can see pics of my truck loaded.

drobin
11-22-2009, 01:00 AM
thanks guys, sounds like the 14 ft fuso wold be a good choice, creech that truck is amazing, bryan i will call you to pick your brain about some things, i like the versatility you have going on with your set up thanks Dave

rcreech
11-22-2009, 08:18 AM
thanks guys, sounds like the 14 ft fuso wold be a good choice, creech that truck is amazing, bryan i will call you to pick your brain about some things, i like the versatility you have going on with your set up thanks Dave

Thanks!

I added a couple more pics for you to see if you want. There were a few pics of the truck that were not on there that are pretty cool additions we made.

What I would highly recommend for a box truck also is a hose reel, wash station and we added a "pallet rack" for overhead storage.

I tried to put a pallet of fert in the truck when I first started but it just took up too much room so we just stack it by hand. Takes a few more minutes then I would like, but it is stacked tight and doesn't take near the room (which is critical)~!

Good Luck!

drobin
11-22-2009, 07:58 PM
love the set up, so you have a 1 tank to refill the z and 1 tank mixed with chemicals to spray liquid fert also?

rcreech
11-22-2009, 08:41 PM
love the set up, so you have a 1 tank to refill the z and 1 tank mixed with chemicals to spray liquid fert also?

Thanks!

We had a lot of fun building the box truck!

I have a 250 gallon tank for the Z...and then I have a 50 gallon tank (up top) that goes to the hose reel and I usually run insecticides though it. I also use it for an extra 50 gallons of water when it isn't being used for perimeter pests to tender the Z.

RigglePLC
11-23-2009, 08:12 AM
I don't have a box truck...however...you may want to consider a low floor type box truck. Kind of like the UPS trucks. Only half as high, so you don't need much of a ramp. I think they are called a "step van". In fact I think TruGreen uses a low floor type. Of course, the wheels stick up out of the floor, and you have to work around that.
http://www.stepvans.com/inventory/4443/Newtemplate_bak.htm

Of course, the chemicals may be too close for comfort, odor potential problem. And I think Ric pointed out that chemicals inside the vehicle are illegal in Florida.

Rhett@Gregson-Clark
11-23-2009, 09:44 AM
drobin,
You might also want to look at the Supreme Vanscaper bodies. http://www.supremecorp.com/supreme.php?page=product&body=freight&product=43 We have equipped lots of these with good results.

Rhett Clark
Gregson-Clark Spraying Equipment
800-706-9530

turf hokie
11-23-2009, 12:02 PM
Rhett,

In the 3rd pic, the metal runners under the pallet are great, saves the floor, but how do you secure the pallet? seems it would slide on the metal as opposed to the rhino lining.

Thanks
Bryan

Rhett@Gregson-Clark
11-23-2009, 02:33 PM
Bryan,

Depending on what else is going to be in the truck, we can make guards where necessary. Throwing a few bags off the top of the pallet is a good idea to make it more stable.

Rhett

heritage
11-23-2009, 06:06 PM
Hi Guys,

Been a while since I have been on site but wanted to share my exp with the Box and the Trailer.


Started out with a 7X14 Haulmark 7,000GVW Enclosed trailer. Used it with Joy thru Fall of 2008. A concern was Sway when 300 gal tank was full. Even with the ballast properly distrubuted, Baffels in Tank and proper Tounge Weight balance, this was always a concern.

Bought the 15' Enclosed Box, 12,000 GVW, GMC in July 2008, with the 6L Vortec Gas and made the swap from Trailer to Box Aug 2008.

Adding to the swap with the extra weight Cap, I added the 100 Gal tank to the 300 Gal Baffeled tank and integrated with 3 Way Valves.

I am mostly a Tree/Shrub Specialist now and less than a Mil of Turf, and can fit the PG Centuri onboard with enough fert for the day as well.

The Efficancy of the Box wit the added Tank, so I can make custom blends on the fly, as well as make Turf apps is nothing short of AWESOME IMHO.

I won't personally go back to the Trailer, and Get the same Fuel Mileage with the Box, Vs. The PU truck pulling the Trailer.


If you can afford to make the switch I would go BOX Truck.

Starting out, The Trailer will do the Job Nicely.


Pete

rcreech
11-23-2009, 08:18 PM
I like the truck...but A LOT of dead space in the front.

Also...I looked at the dove tail ramp...but totally wasted space as you can't store or park anything on it!

By the time you get a ton or 2 of fert on the floor...you will barely have any room to put anything else, let along park a machine or two.

What about fertilizer weight distribution? Wouldn't you have to have the pallet in the middle of the truck?

In the middle picture...if you was to put a pallet of fert in the truck...where would your store your ride-on?

The key to keeping a "shorter" box truck is using all the space from the ceiling to the floor!

JMO...but I put a ton of thought into my unit and built it as compact as possible!

rcreech
11-23-2009, 08:19 PM
Hi Guys,

The Efficancy of the Box wit the added Tank, so I can make custom blends on the fly, as well as make Turf apps is nothing short of AWESOME IMHO.

I won't personally go back to the Trailer, and Get the same Fuel Mileage with the Box, Vs. The PU truck pulling the Trailer.


If you can afford to make the switch I would go BOX Truck.


Pete

Welcome back Pete!!!!!


You havn't missed a thing! :laugh:

Totally agree!!!!

Nut'n better then a boxtruck when it comes to volume, effeciency, security, showability etc.

drobin
11-23-2009, 08:27 PM
yeah that set up looks pretty nice also,, what type of b truck would get the best gas mileage and what would it be in terms of mileage

Rayholio
11-23-2009, 09:32 PM
I have a 16 ft cab over NPR.. and I still pull a tilt trailer for my Z.. It's MUCH faster than loading, and unloading out of the back of the box truck for every job..

the 16 ft box truck, completely empty would fit 6 pallets... 2 wide, 3 deep.
I use my box truck as my primary storage.. at the front, I have a spare deisel tank, a 300 gallon tank centered, and a hose reel with side door for access, behind that I have a perminate pallet sized crate that I keep spare odds and end chems in, and next to that another 300 gallon tank 200/100 split.. The back is reserved for current production granular.. 2 full pallets usually sit there. THat leaves room for NOTHING else.. I also have under bed truck boxes.. about 6 ft worth on each side.. they hold fuel and liquid chem..

So the short answer is that no truck will be long enough.. you'll always find a use for the space.. I know I did :)

heritage
11-24-2009, 09:59 AM
Welcome back Pete!!!!!


You havn't missed a thing! :laugh:

Totally agree!!!!

Nut'n better then a boxtruck when it comes to volume, effeciency, security, showability etc.

Thanks Rod :)

Your Box Truck setup is sweet sir.

Pete

rcreech
12-04-2009, 07:25 PM
Someone on here called me last week from Michigan I think about questions regarding my boxtruck.

I am so sorry as I know I was supposed to e-mail you some specs and I have LOST your e-mail address. Can you please call me again and give me your e-mail?

Thanks,
RC

phasthound
12-04-2009, 09:10 PM
Someone on here called me last week from Michigan I think about questions regarding my boxtruck.

I am so sorry as I know I was supposed to e-mail you some specs and I have LOST your e-mail address. Can you please call me again and give me your e-mail?

Thanks,
RC

Speaking of lost emails, did you get my PM?

rcreech
12-04-2009, 09:30 PM
Speaking of lost emails, did you get my PM?

I did!

Thanks!

I will PM you back!