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irrig8r
11-24-2009, 11:39 AM
Anyone ever see these from HK Lighting Group (http://www.hklightinggroup.com/AccSpecificationSheet.aspx?ItemID=12&CataLogID=6)?

http://www.hklightinggroup.com/images/TMR4_AB.jpg

Looks to me like the knuckle is built into the bracket instead of the rear part of the fixture, eliminating a point of entry for moisture.

Looks like set screws around the outside in this design, but a hose clamp type adjustable band might also work, no?

Anyone else doing this?

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
11-24-2009, 02:00 PM
Interesting approach for sure. My only worry would be that this particular design would position the fixture too close to the tree, eliminating the ability to aim it properly in some instances. All would depend on the size and length of the fixture mounted to it.

I would LOVE to use HK products here. I would convert in a heartbeat if only they were not so difficult to get in Canada. The product is actually handled by TWO separate agents before it gets to my distributor! Manufacturer - Agent - Agent - Distributor - Contractor - Client = WAY too expensive to justify.

JoeyD
11-24-2009, 04:26 PM
I would like to see an application photo of that mounting bracket. It looks liek a surgical instrument! LOL

Terradek
11-24-2009, 04:59 PM
Here is a photo of the Tree Mount (TM)...as you can see it only really works with the I series of the HK line. Not all fixtures are suitable for this mount.

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
11-24-2009, 05:10 PM
That is an insane amount of SS hardware! I love it! Now to find the client's willing to pay for it... :)

JoeyD
11-24-2009, 05:53 PM
WOW! That is one bad a$$ tree mount!!!

irrig8r
11-24-2009, 08:16 PM
I just like the concept of not having to run leads through a knuckle.

James seems to have a lot of experience with water getting inside tree mounted fixtures, this seems like it could be a simple, practical solution.

BTW, Gerry, the one I posted above seems to have an obvious knuckle built into the bracket, but the photo you posted doesn't seem to show that...

And what if the arm has to be a little longer James... does that present a problem?

Joey, you could do it with a universal ball joint, right?

Terradek
11-25-2009, 09:25 AM
Greg you are right, your post is the latest edition. My post is the only image that I had of an application. It was a real limitation not to have the elbow built into the mount. For those who are not familiar with this product the unit is actually two pieces...the base is first attached to the tree and then the fixture portion is attached to the base. It makes for a really quick and safe install.

As to water intrusion. The HK line is one of the few wet/dry rated products on the market. It is designed to withstand submersion at limited depths, as well as dry land applications. The product is immersion tested as part of this rating.

JoeyD
11-25-2009, 10:06 AM
as killer as the fixture is there probably wont be many sold for residential applications. We could build a fixture just like it, just like we did with the Nautilus but then the price makes it as such that people feel they cant sell or use it on everyday projects.

Surpisingly, even with our open faced downlights we really never get them back on a waranty issue. they seem to hold up in all of our field testing and in the projects they are being used on.

RLI Electric
11-25-2009, 10:20 AM
HK makes real nice stuff but the reality is how many can afford multiples of these. I am sure some of you have the clients for this and I hope to some day have the same thing. I was a machinist before I became and electrician and I can assure you that whatever the cost of this, it is worth it due to the multiple manufacturing steps involved. Lumiere by Cooper is very similar in that Hiroshi was the designer before he left and started HK. I think thats how you spell his name. He has a tree mount that is even cooler than the one posted, I think it has 2 or 3 articulating points. Gets you off the tree so there isn't a hot spot.

Terradek
11-25-2009, 11:51 AM
Since we cannot talk prices here, all I can say is that HK fixtures are not as expensive as you might think...unless you live in Canada.:canadaflag:

RLI Electric
11-25-2009, 12:18 PM
I agree with you Terradek, they really aren't that bad. Does anyone use their 3 pronged stakes. Once you use something like that, it is nauseating to use a standard stake again. I know Vision 3 has the 3 prong stake too. Does anyone else make it?

INTEGRA Bespoke Lighting
11-25-2009, 12:30 PM
I agree with you Terradek, they really aren't that bad. Does anyone use their 3 pronged stakes. Once you use something like that, it is nauseating to use a standard stake again. I know Vision 3 has the 3 prong stake too. Does anyone else make it?


HK, Auroralight, Vision3, and I think Unique if I am not mistaken, all have versions of the 3-prong "Trident" ground stake.

Works great in the proper soils... but not much use for it here in the world of roots & rocks.

worx
11-25-2009, 12:34 PM
I have used the ZX-16 C A along with Unique's gutter mount. I absolutely love this fixture, and it is very well built. The adjustable shroud with the locking ring is great for the final details.

JoeyD
11-25-2009, 12:47 PM
I agree with you Terradek, they really aren't that bad. Does anyone use their 3 pronged stakes. Once you use something like that, it is nauseating to use a standard stake again. I know Vision 3 has the 3 prong stake too. Does anyone else make it?

Yes we make a similar stake. Its a stainless steel dimpled base that comes with 3 12" Stainless Steel Spikes. We dont sell very many?

RLI Electric
11-25-2009, 12:59 PM
Joey, do you think many people know that you have it. I tried it at Jan's class which is in New York, very similar to what I have here in CT and they worked beautifully. I will call my supplier to see if they have the Unique in stock.

JoeyD
11-25-2009, 01:14 PM
I dont think many know we have it. We are working on trying to bring some our "secret" products to light, we need to do a better job of telling people about some of these products.