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Bunton Guy
11-25-2009, 07:08 AM
I went to the local mower shop the other day to pick up some air filters. I noticed all the mower on the floor had stickers on them that grabbed my attention. I started looking and they had listed their monthly price if leased through a national lease program. It says "turn in every 2 years and get new"

How do these generally work leasing mowers? The listed payments are cheaper than what im paying. I'm guessing money down to get those payments? What happens at the end of the two years? they evaluate the value of the mowers and charge you the difference ? or do you seriously just walk away and get new equipment?

ALC-GregH
11-25-2009, 07:42 AM
How are we suppose to know. Did you bother to ask the dealer about it or did you wait until you could sign on to LS to ask? Call the dealer up and ask them to explain the details to you.

santafe
11-25-2009, 08:24 AM
hey greg, I'd say there are alot of questions posted on this site that could be answered elsewhere. but if we did that there would be no need for this site. He most likely did not have time to deal with a salesman at the time. Lets play nice.:nono:

ALC-GregH
11-25-2009, 08:45 AM
Sorry to sound so blunt but again, how are we suppose to know? Why go beating around the bush when he could easily ask the dealer what it was about. He doesn't have time to ask the person he should be asking but he has enough time to ask here and probably get 20 different answers. Same with the "what boots do you wear" question. I posted a link for him to read the 500 threads posted about "what boots do you wear" to try and make it easy. Unless reading isn't easy then I'd suggest going back to school.

zturncutter
11-25-2009, 08:56 AM
Sorry to sound so blunt but again, how are we suppose to know? Why go beating around the bush when he could easily ask the dealer what it was about. He doesn't have time to ask the person he should be asking but he has enough time to ask here and probably get 20 different answers. Same with the "what boots do you wear" question. I posted a link for him to read the 500 threads posted about "what boots do you wear" to try and make it easy. Unless reading isn't easy then I'd suggest going back to school.

I guess he figured since the dealer would be selling the lease he might not get the whole truth, since it would be in the dealers interest to make the lease sale. Getting the perspective of the end users, fellow lawn companies, would make sense to me.:dizzy:

santafe
11-25-2009, 09:02 AM
Ok. I dont need to fight his battles BUT, he may not have had the time during business hrs,but did have time after dark or he needed to be to an appointment or his dog was jumping out of the truck, or his kid called and had to be picked up from school, or ect....
again I bring the point if we are going to get our answers form some where else what is the need for this site. mabey he wanted the opinion of a lawn man and not a salesman.

pflasch
11-25-2009, 12:25 PM
OR... to ask it another way... is anyone on LS leasing their equipment, and how are the terms? What does your accountant tell you about leasing etc.
I believe that Bunton Guy is just asking for any general information about leasing that someone on LS might have.
There's no need to beat anybody up about a question.
This site is suppose to be a safe place to ask questions... and share knowledge... right?

Kutz Lawns
11-25-2009, 01:08 PM
Sorry to sound so blunt but again, how are we suppose to know?

Can anyone tell me where I can dump my leaves?

DeereMan85
11-25-2009, 01:37 PM
How do these generally work leasing mowers? The listed payments are cheaper than what im paying. I'm guessing money down to get those payments? What happens at the end of the two years? they evaluate the value of the mowers and charge you the difference ? or do you seriously just walk away and get new equipment?

It sounds like they are advertising what is called an operating lease. Essentially, you are buying a portion of the product's useful life. The way this works is that your dealer sells the equipment to a leasing company for his selling price. The leasing company in turn "sells" you the use of their equipment for a set period of time and hours of use. Depending on the duration and allotted hours, they come up with an estimated residual value when the lease is up.

Let's say that your mower retails for $10k, and you're doing a 2 year/500 hour lease. We'll use 50% as a residual value. That means the leasing company estimates that the mower will be worth half what it is now after the lease is up, meaning that you are purchasing what they determine to be $5k worth of use. They finance this amount (with interest) to determine your payment. Let's say your interest rate is 6%. So you're financing $5k at 6% for two years, giving you a monthly payment of $221.60. Of course these numbers are all hypothetical.

There is usually no down payment required, and you are not responsible for the value of the machine at the end of the lease period. You can be charged penalties if the leasing company finds excessive damage or you go over your allotted hours. Otherwise you simply turn it back in, and they sell it at auction.

You can usually deduct operating lease payments as an expense, but you will want to talk to your accountant about that before doing anything.

MJB
11-25-2009, 03:02 PM
Sorry to sound so blunt but again, how are we suppose to know? Why go beating around the bush when he could easily ask the dealer what it was about. He doesn't have time to ask the person he should be asking but he has enough time to ask here and probably get 20 different answers. Same with the "what boots do you wear" question. I posted a link for him to read the 500 threads posted about "what boots do you wear" to try and make it easy. Unless reading isn't easy then I'd suggest going back to school.

Go back to bed grumpy! :waving:
Why not just let someone else answer his questions that way you won't have too.

Seriously I leased all 9 of my zero turns, and prefer it. But I paid a dollar at the end of the 3.5 yr lease and own them, never tried to trade it back. Just is easier to only make payments during the growing months here. Total write off too!

Bunton Guy
11-25-2009, 03:04 PM
hey greg, I'd say there are alot of questions posted on this site that could be answered elsewhere. but if we did that there would be no need for this site. He most likely did not have time to deal with a salesman at the time. Lets play nice.:nono:

You hit the nail on the head. I was buisy getting parts to fix some equipment while greg was surfing LS for posts to poop on.

Alpha Property
11-25-2009, 04:02 PM
I leased my stander, $8500ish cnd with a grass gobbler, i pay $230ish a month for 3 years, at the end of the 3 years i give the leasing company a check for $10.00 and i now own the machine, a lease payment is 100% deductible, if you purchase you can only deduct the interest in the loan and then a percentage of the remaining total amount for as long as you own the machine

DeereMan85
11-25-2009, 04:15 PM
These sound more like capital leases. See the link below for an explanation of the differences.

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~adamodar/New_Home_Page/AccPrimer/lease.htm

S L C
11-25-2009, 04:45 PM
Can anyone tell me where I can dump my leaves?

LOL :clapping::clapping::dizzy:

Can someone tell me how to change my blades?? :laugh: Oh wait, some probably don't..

AA+ landscaping
11-25-2009, 10:58 PM
I hear that Brickman's leases their mowers.

green grass lawn care
11-26-2009, 12:29 AM
LOL :clapping::clapping::dizzy:

Can someone tell me how to change my blades?? :laugh: Oh wait, some probably don't..

what you are supposed to change blades???:dizzy: can someone tell me what else i am supposed to do. :laugh:

MikeKle
11-26-2009, 11:16 AM
How are you all getting away without making mower payments in the off season? That would be great, as those mower payments in winter kill me!

ryde307
11-26-2009, 11:23 AM
Alot of financing has options to pay 9 months have 3 off for seasonal people. Are skidloader is that way. It normally will bump up the other months to make up for it but normally not and issue if its your busy time. Ask your finacing company if they have anything like that.