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Hanau
12-21-2009, 08:12 PM
Came out of the Docs office and my rig wouldn't start. After some investigating I determined that the ignition key switch thingy was broken.

So I took an old extension cord out of the toolbox and cut it in half and stripped the insulation off both ends. Then I hooked one half to the positive terminal of the battery. Connected the other half to the start relay. Ran the wires through the pasenger door and into the cab.

Turned the key to the run position and then plugged both halves of the cord together. Relay closed, starter engaged, and the truck fired up. Unplugged the cord and the starter stopped spinning and the truck stayed running.

Sweet! I am the **** yo! :cool2: :cool2: :cool2:

So, how do I get the steering wheel off so I can get at the switch and replace it? I need some sort of jawed pulling thing right?

Drew Gemma
12-21-2009, 08:20 PM
yep it is actually called a wheel puller

Hanau
12-21-2009, 08:25 PM
If I go to NAPA and ask for a wheel puller they'll know what I'm talking about?

Dodge2
12-21-2009, 09:06 PM
yeah, thats the proper name.

Junior M
12-21-2009, 09:21 PM
If I go to NAPA and ask for a wheel puller they'll know what I'm talking about?
more like steering wheel puller, but okay..

mudmaker
12-21-2009, 09:39 PM
I don't think you have to pull the steering wheel to get to the ignition switch. The cover around the column should come off with a couple of screws and if you need to pull the actual key switch out it pulls out as long as the key is in it.

Gravel Rat
12-21-2009, 09:53 PM
I had the same problem with my old 77 Ford I ended up putting a push button in the cab to activate the relay on the fender it worked.

What year of truck is this ?

If its a 80s truck you don't have to pull the wheel it all can be done by removing the plastic around the steering wheel. There is a long rod from the key that goes down to a switch that is under the dash. My dad had the same problem with his 1980 Ford. You strip the panels off the bottom of the dash and you will see a switch with a metal rod attached to it.

They are common to fail I forget what the cost of the part is I wonder if you can even get one.

If you can turn the key and get ignition but no cranky the part inside the switch that sends power to the starter relay is burnt and no worky.

Hanau
12-21-2009, 09:55 PM
1990 f-250.

ksss
12-21-2009, 10:09 PM
1990 f-250.


I believe that will come out without pulling the steering wheel.

Hanau
12-21-2009, 10:19 PM
Care to give me a step by step?

Junior M
12-21-2009, 10:22 PM
Care to give me a step by step?
google will become your friend as you learn to wrench on the old trucks, you just have to have..

randosh4
12-21-2009, 10:32 PM
Hire a mechanic instead of a lawnjockey.

mudmaker
12-21-2009, 10:54 PM
Here is a link to Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums. I searched ignition switch removal.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1483384

Gravel Rat
12-21-2009, 10:59 PM
It is easy enough Bob all you need is a screw driver and some patients. You may have troubles you said your 300lbs you may not fit in a position you need to be to take the parts off.

Take it to a mechanic if your in doubt.

Hanau
12-21-2009, 11:03 PM
Thanks.

If I get wedged I'll call Junior. He has a shiny red truck with flashing lights. He's probably dying to use those jaws of life.

That FTE link is cool! Tons of info about the trucks I love. Thanks!

stuvecorp
12-21-2009, 11:15 PM
I don't know Bob I think it sounds more MacGruber than MacGyver?:p



:)

Junior M
12-21-2009, 11:21 PM
Thanks.

If I get wedged I'll call Junior. He has a shiny red truck with flashing lights. He's probably dying to use those jaws of life.

That FTE link is cool! Tons of info about the trucks I love. Thanks!
do work son! :cool2:

Hanau
12-21-2009, 11:24 PM
Actually since Junior is low man on the totem pole his chief will prolly just send him in with a tub of vasoline to grease me up and pull me out.

That'll be fun too.

Junior M
12-21-2009, 11:25 PM
Actually since Junior is low man on the totem pole his chief will prolly just send him in with a tub of vasoline to grease me up and pull me out.

That'll be fun too.
sense I am lowman on the totum pole, I'll be at the side of the truck, opposite the road, watching and learning..

:laugh:

Gravel Rat
12-21-2009, 11:32 PM
They would have to cut your pants off better hope Junior doesn't have to vaseline the front half with his soft young hands or Bob might be expelling his own lubricant :laugh:

I'am serious about you may not fitting in the spot you need too I'am only 185lbs and I have troubles working on the underside of a dash board. You may have to remove the seat I think you do so you can drop the steering column low enough.

Hanau
12-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Worse comes to worse I have a cell phone, employees, another truck, and a logging chain. They'll get me out from under the dash.

Junior M
12-21-2009, 11:37 PM
They would have to cut your pants off better hope Junior doesn't have to vaseline the front half with his soft young hands or Bob might be expelling his own lubricant :laugh:

I'am serious about you may not fitting in the spot you need too I'am only 185lbs and I have troubles working on the underside of a dash board. You may have to remove the seat I think you do so you can drop the steering column low enough.
it kinda bothers me how you went into so much detail with that description.. ;)

bobcat_ron
12-21-2009, 11:40 PM
Must be nice to be able to pull the steering wheel off an old truck like that and not worry about the air bag blowing your head clean off with the wrong touch.

Gravel Rat
12-21-2009, 11:52 PM
it kinda bothers me how you went into so much detail with that description.. ;)

Just seeing if you were paying attention :laugh:

tallrick
12-22-2009, 12:17 AM
This is the same kind of truck I have, a 1990 F250 with the 7.3 Diesel. The only thing needed to run this thing is 12 volts to the injection pump relay and a screwdriver to jump the starter relay. You know Ford means fixed or repaired daily. This year I have replaced my radiator, starter, alternator, fuel lift pump, belts, master cylinder, voltage regulator, universal joints, and now my power steering pump is failing. Then again, my Bobcats are just as troublesome.

Hanau
12-22-2009, 12:23 AM
I have a 460 and I love it. I'm actively looking for more 460 trucks, this thing is a powerhouse.

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 12:24 AM
Bobs truck has a extremely fuel efficient 460 gas it is the most economical engine ever built :laugh:

Hanau
12-22-2009, 12:26 AM
Not hardly GR. This thing guzzles 87 octane faster than I guzzle Mountain Dew. She sings sweetly past 3,000RPM though.

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 12:33 AM
I know I have owned 460 powered trucks the F-450s I had would barely get 8 mpg.

The only thing you have to watch with the 460s is the exhaust manifold gasket likes to leak from the bolts getting loose or falling out. So you get a leak against the firewall it can cause it to get hot and possibilty of starting a fire.

mudmaker
12-22-2009, 01:03 AM
Here ya go Bob.

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/1513324099.html

here is another one

http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/cto/1476401849.html

Hanau
12-22-2009, 01:10 AM
That first one is exactly what I'm looking for. 460, 4x4, 5 speed, reg cab, long box. Nice shape too.

93turbo
12-22-2009, 03:14 AM
does it have tilt steering wheel bob? If it does this is a common problem and requires taking part of the tilt colum apart to gain access. If its just the key cylinder you just remove the lower half of the plastic cover on the column behind the wheel and there should be a little hole right below the kel cylinder. Insert your key turn to the run position and then insert something small and pointy in the hole to press a small pin and you pull out the cylinder

Hanau
12-22-2009, 08:24 PM
Well I removed about 4,000 screws and bolts and still don't have the key out. Column is hanging by a thread.

Not a great mechanic, but with the weather it's not critical it gets done ASAP. Snow season has been replaced by mid season.

Learning a lot about my truck, how it's made, and enjoying the work.

punt66
12-22-2009, 08:33 PM
i seem to remember having a discussion about the reliability issues of old trucks. Interesting.

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 08:36 PM
Make sure you don't loose any of the screws they are hard to get and if you do loose one a wood screw isn't going to work.

Hanau
12-22-2009, 08:41 PM
She got me home without having to call roadside service or a wrecker. That's the definition of reliability punt. That your truck gets you home.

All the hardware is neatly labeled in ziploc baggies.

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 08:51 PM
It makes a person wonder if its worth buying a new pickup for 55-60 grand the d*mn thing isn't reliable.

I do have a question to ask these enviromental whackos what they think about thousands of electronically controlled over sensorized vehicals when they get old and cost too much to fix. Now you may have a vehical that puts out less emmissions but you end up making more of them because people can't afford to fix a old one.

punt66
12-22-2009, 08:58 PM
my new pickup was 23k.

AI Inc
12-22-2009, 09:00 PM
Is that naked ? I see f -250 4x4 offered for $25k a lot , but seems the ones ya want are $39k

Hanau
12-22-2009, 09:02 PM
The nice thing about an old pick up truck is I don't cry as much when I bang the excavator bucket into it.

$5,000 vs. $42,000.

AI Inc
12-22-2009, 09:04 PM
I like to buy em 1 or 2 yrs old and keep em till just under 200k.

punt66
12-22-2009, 09:13 PM
Is that naked ? I see f -250 4x4 offered for $25k a lot , but seems the ones ya want are $39k

No, its a hemi. Sticker was 37k. Dodge gave me a 6k rebate. Wife had a company discount. Dodge had a 500 business discount. Then a little negotiation and i drove it home. I wouldnt have paid 37k thats for sure.

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 09:14 PM
One of the excavation contractors I know asked him why he doesn't have a fancy new truck he says he likes a truck that he doesn't have to worry about.

He owns a 95 Dodge Cummins 4x4 he fixed it up gave it a new paint job. He is tough on trucks.

Hanau
12-22-2009, 09:30 PM
I tell ya what, I really wish I had more sklls when it comes to fixing trucks. The knowledge is in my head, the desire is in my heart, but getting it to my hands is a challenge.

Like today I saw a 1969 F-250 for $400. It was in rough shape.

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However if I had the skills to transform that truck into one like the picture I think I'd drive it a lot. Not daily, but during nice weather. Maybe to go on estimates, meet clients, parts runs, that kind of thing.

Hopefully I'll learn a few things at college next year and I can tackle projects like that. There's a 1949 F-3 stakebody in Kendrick I'd love to have.

Electrical I'm actually good with. It's the mechanical type stuff that's giving me a hard time. Never even tried bodywork.

Those of you guys who have a gift for things like this are lucky.

I did learn an interesting factoid at NAPA today. There is no such thing as a 1998 F-350. They do not exist.

Junior M
12-22-2009, 09:30 PM
One of the excavation contractors I know asked him why he doesn't have a fancy new truck he says he likes a truck that he doesn't have to worry about.

He owns a 95 Dodge Cummins 4x4 he fixed it up gave it a new paint job. He is tough on trucks.
you said Dodge and tough in the same sentence..

somebody give me a book and pen, its history!

Junior M
12-22-2009, 09:34 PM
I tell ya what, I really wish I had more sklls when it comes to fixing trucks. The knowledge is in my head, the desire is in my heart, but getting it to my hands is a challenge.

Like today I saw a 1969 F-250 for $400. It was in rough shape.

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However if I had the skills to transform that truck into one like the picture I think I'd drive it a lot. Not daily, but during nice weather. Maybe to go on estimates, meet clients, parts runs, that kind of thing.

Hopefully I'll learn a few things at college next year and I can tackle projects like that. There's a 1949 F-3 stakebody in Kendrick I'd love to have.

Electrical I'm actually good with. It's the mechanical type stuff that's giving me a hard time. Never even tried bodywork.

Those of you guys who have a gift for things like this are lucky.

I did learn an interesting factoid at NAPA today. There is no such thing as a 1998 F-350. They do not exist.
mechanically, I can figure it out. Its harder to figure it out when I dont understand how it works, but I'll figure it out eventually.

electric kicks my ass.. To many terms and things like ohms, volts, crap like that. Its just confusing. But I am getting better..

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 09:36 PM
We give the guy a bad time he owns a Dodge well it is a truck with a 12 valve so it is reliable but that truck has seen alot of driveline work. Unit bearings on the front axle multiple times. The rear springs have been replaced with heavier aftermarket springs.

Hanau
12-22-2009, 09:38 PM
What I'd like to learn is how to rebuild and tune a carburetor. Tried a bunch of times but haven't been successful yet.

I can't tell when it's rich, lean, or right. There must be some sort of gauge that says when the air/fuel is 14:1 but I haven't found it yet.

Guys that can build carburetors must practice black magic.

Junior M
12-22-2009, 09:40 PM
What I'd like to learn is how to rebuild and tune a carburetor. Tried a bunch of times but haven't been successful yet.

I can't tell when it's rich, lean, or right. There must be some sort of gauge that says when the air/fuel is 14:1 but I haven't found it yet.

Guys that can build carburetors must practice black magic.
ever seen the valve body to a tranny? :eek: :wall

Hanau
12-22-2009, 09:44 PM
No Junior, I've never met Charlie.

Junior M
12-22-2009, 09:46 PM
No Junior, I've never met Charlie.
shut the hell up about her. That joke got old about a month ago..

and for godsakes man, for once be serious..

AI Inc
12-22-2009, 09:48 PM
and for godsakes man, for once be serious..

why???????????

punt66
12-22-2009, 09:48 PM
What I'd like to learn is how to rebuild and tune a carburetor. Tried a bunch of times but haven't been successful yet.

I can't tell when it's rich, lean, or right. There must be some sort of gauge that says when the air/fuel is 14:1 but I haven't found it yet.

Guys that can build carburetors must practice black magic.


Carb rebuilds are easier then it seems. The most important thing is to take note on factory settings before you dissasemble.

AI Inc
12-22-2009, 09:49 PM
Punt do you fix all ya own stuff?

Junior M
12-22-2009, 09:53 PM
Carb rebuilds are easier then it seems. The most important thing is to take note on factory settings before you dissasemble.
carb rebuilds really arent that hard, just pay attention to how you took it apart and lay it out in the order it came apart.

Hanau
12-22-2009, 09:56 PM
shut the hell up about her. That joke got old about a month ago..

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and for godsakes man, for once be serious..

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Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 09:58 PM
A real man can take apart a Rochester 4 barrel carburetor and put it back together :laugh:

Ford used what they call a hot shot fuel system on the earlier 90s trucks with 460 power. It uses a electric fuel pump feeding a 4 barrel holley. They are a litte tougher to get to run nice.

I personally don't like Holley carburetors the best carb to get is a Edelbrock very reliable and easy to work on. The factory Motorcraft 4 barrel and 2 barrel carbs are good aswell.

punt66
12-22-2009, 09:59 PM
Punt do you fix all ya own stuff?

sure do. I wont allow anybody to touch my equipment hahah

Gravel Rat
12-22-2009, 09:59 PM
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Uh Bob that last picture with the Asian girl being punched isn't appropriete :nono:

Hanau
12-22-2009, 10:03 PM
Uh Bob that last picture with the Asian girl being punched isn't appropriete :nono:

How about this one?

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93turbo
12-22-2009, 10:58 PM
There wasn't any F-250s in 98 either except they had a light duty version that looked like the f-150s because they were getting ready for the new superdutys.

tallrick
12-23-2009, 02:29 AM
Well today my truck decided to get even with me. Got in it at 9AM and no go. Tried the starting spray (glow plugs disconnected) and even took top off injection pump to check solenoids. Turns out it was that stupid return check ball. Somehow it decided to stick and no fuel went to the injectors. I have a friend who has both a 460 E350 van and F250 pickup. He likes to make fun of the diesels, saying they sound like an old school bus. Yet I get better mileage. I prefer my trucks without spark plugs.

Gravel Rat
12-23-2009, 03:17 AM
The old Stanadyne pumps can be a little finnicky. I had a 88 F-450 with a 460 5spd the truck got 8mpg at best I had a 89 F-450 with a 7.3 IDI it got 11 to 12mpg it really didn't change much.

The 460 had more highway speed it was good but the fuel consumption wasn't. The old IDI had good low end power but no road speed and the mileage was good.

The 460 had 4:63 gearing the IDI 5:13 gears both 5spds. The only thing with the IDI is they really rely on the glow plugs if they don't work the engine doesn't start.