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DoetschOutdoor
01-03-2010, 07:07 PM
With a budget of $16-18k for personal/work truck, weekly route of 60 accounts pulling medium sized enclosed trailer, drive 35k miles a year with work and personal driving, what truck would you get? Dont pull anything too heavy that 3/4ton cant handle and plan on putting dump insert in to haul small runs of mulch. Gotta be at least extended cab and 4wd. Have other vehicles for alot of the personal driving but truck does get driven alot to boat ramp, hunting, etc. during off season.

Diesel with around 100k miles or gasser with substantially less?

TXNSLighting
01-03-2010, 07:59 PM
why dont you look on Autotrader? For 18k you could get a lower mileage diesel.

GravelyGuy
01-03-2010, 08:01 PM
With that amount of money I would go newer, low mileage gas.

DoetschOutdoor
01-03-2010, 08:20 PM
TXNS, what are you seeing for that price range with 4wd and ex cab? Ive found some deals on ebay and some completely stripped down trucks but kinda want a few options. I cant find a reasonable diesel with under 100k miles to save my life.

TXNSLighting
01-03-2010, 11:32 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=25&address=63043&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=FORD&model=F250&make2=&start_year=1999&end_year=2011&min_price=&max_price=18000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=y&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&systime=&sownerid=74710&rdm=1262579500800 f-250's

TXNSLighting
01-03-2010, 11:37 PM
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=50&address=63043&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=FORD&model=F250&make2=&start_year=1999&end_year=2011&min_price=&max_price=18000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=y&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&systime=&sownerid=74710&rdm=1262579774426

TXNSLighting
01-03-2010, 11:39 PM
wow, look at the difference at your choices and mine! http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=50&address=76086&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=FORD&model=F350&make2=&start_year=1999&end_year=2011&min_price=&max_price=18000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=y&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&systime=&sownerid=100021418&rdm=1262579908845

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/searchresults.jsp?lastStartYear=1981&num_records=25&search_lang=en&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&search_type=both&distance=50&address=76086&marketZipError=false&style_flag=1&make=FORD&model=F250&make2=&start_year=1999&end_year=2011&min_price=&max_price=18000&seller_type=b&transmission=&engine=&drive=&doors=&fuel=&max_mileage=&color=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&keywords_display=&sort_type=priceDESC&body_code=0&certified=&advanced=&highlightFirstMakeModel=&showZipError=y&default_sort=priceDESC&awsp=false&systime=&sownerid=100021418&rdm=1262580148312

doubleedge
01-04-2010, 12:00 AM
You don't really need a diesel for what you will be using it for. As far as gas engines go, there is a wide variety to chose from.

The Chevy 8.1l v8 and the Ford 6.8l v10 both have around 350 hp and 450 ft lbs of torque depending on the model year, but get around 8 mpg while pulling trailers. The Chevy 8.1 isn't an option anymore on 3/4 ton to 1 ton trucks; I am not sure what the last year with them was.

The smaller v8 HD engines would produce much better fuel economy. Dodge has a 5.7l v8 with around 380 hp and 400 ft lbs of torque. Chevy has a 6.0l v8 which since 2007 has produced around 370 hp and 375 ft lbs of torque, but before 2007 it was relatively weak. Ford has a 5.4l engine which has produced 300 hp and 365 ft lbs of torque from 2004 to 2008. Before 2004, the 5.4 was even weaker. It had a power boost in 2008 which brought it up to 320 hp and 390 ft lbs of torque.

The best gas engine out of the bunch for light towing, in my opinion, is the Dodge 5.7l. For heavy towing, either of the big gas engines will do well but will consume a bunch of fuel. They are usually used as alternatives to recently problematic diesel engines (especially the early Ford 6.0 and 6.4 engines).

360ci
01-04-2010, 09:46 AM
I agree with doubleedge. Gas would be the way I'd go as well. You can get good deals on GM 6.0L V8 trucks in decent shape. If you only drive a mile or two between clients, a diesel isn't the engine you want. Diesels are meant to run run run run run, not stop and start every fifteen or twenty minutes only to be driven a mile or so.

Previous generation GM's are the lightest 3/4 ton on the market in any cab configuration. Ford are the heaviest with Dodge in the middle. If you're hard up in getting a diesel, I'd go with the Dodge 5.9L for better long term reliability and lower slightly lower repair costs. The 5.7L HEMI is a good engine, but again, will cost more in maintenance over a GM 6.0L. HEMI has 16 spark plugs to change, and uses 7 quarts of oil for an oil and filter change where the GM uses 6. The big block 8.1L will burn more gas, but really, a 300hp 6.0L V8 has nearly double the power of a similar sized engine from a truck 15 years ago. Trucks back in the day pulled the same size trailer we still pull today so a big block really isn't necessary unless you plan on loading on a 5th wheel trailer during the off season.

Personally I'm in favor of a Dodge diesel, but as far as gas engined trucks go, Ford and GM both offer the same HP, but GM trucks have a smoother ride, and for the most part are known to get better mileage due to the lighter base weight. If you can wait another year, I'd hold off and get a newer GM HD 6.0L with the 6 speed auto for even better mileage and trailer pulling capability.

DoetschOutdoor
01-04-2010, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I was pretty familiar with choices/engines in the trucks but learned a few new things. V10 or big block is outta the question bc I do alot of city driving and can not imagine the gas mileage and then pulling the boat 1.5 -2 hours every weekend just aint for me...Im getting like 10mpg in my dam 4.3 right now and hafta make an upgrade in that department.

I can not wait any longer on getting a bigger truck 360...which year truck are you referring to waiting for the new 6.0L? I really want the diesel but have other business purchases and a house to get soon so might save the money and just get a gasser for a few years and suck it up with the mileage.

soloscaperman
01-04-2010, 12:52 PM
For money, style, and price I have to admit the Ford 2002-2006 5.4L are good. I am a Chevy fan but I have heard good things with the 5.4 engine except the early models where the there was an intake leak.

Chevy has the Vortec line and the 6.0 is the best for MPG and Power. My goal is to drop one in my truck since the body on mine is mint.

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Junior M
01-04-2010, 03:56 PM
a 2500HD Chevy in the 02-07 range with the 6.0 would be the perfect truck for you.. Just my opinion..

DoetschOutdoor
01-04-2010, 04:22 PM
Thats what Im finding out Junior as I look more and more. If this newer truck can hold up to half the abuse I put my little truck through now, Id be perfectly happy. I really like the dodges but too many of my friends have cummins and I just would not hear the end of it if I got a hemi.

TXNSLighting
01-04-2010, 04:23 PM
For money, style, and price I have to admit the Ford 2002-2006 5.4L are good. I am a Chevy fan but I have heard good things with the 5.4 engine except the early models where the there was an intake leak.

Chevy has the Vortec line and the 6.0 is the best for MPG and Power. My goal is to drop one in my truck since the body on mine is mint.

Um no the 6.0 is not good for fuel economy..

Junior M
01-04-2010, 10:35 PM
Um no the 6.0 is not good for fuel economy..
Yeah, the only thing worse than the 6.0 for mpg is the 8.1..

and its not much worse!