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qualitylawnpro
01-12-2010, 10:02 PM
765 cfm 204 mph !

ALC-GregH
01-12-2010, 10:09 PM
Where did you get that picture of my wife in your avatar? :D

MONTE
01-12-2010, 10:13 PM
I did not know they were out just yet. I have been waiting on them to possibly replace another redmax.

TPS
01-12-2010, 10:21 PM
If you are looking for a new blower, I recommend the Shindaiwa 802RT. 211 MPH and 762 CFMs. I also have a 755H. The shindy is much lighter and way more comfortable. I can only imagine the 770 will be even heavier than my 755.

Alan0354
01-12-2010, 10:25 PM
Where did you get that picture of my wife in your avatar? :D

Dream on!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Back to the blower, I just went on Echo and did not see it.

fobaum
01-12-2010, 10:31 PM
br 600 period ,shiny ok but has a slower throttle response and heavy , right now i think the 600 is the best out "right now"that is.

qualitylawnpro
01-12-2010, 10:48 PM
I just got rid of my 755's and bought 4 new stihl 600's ,echo rep told me about them today. There in the new catalog he said it would put echo back on top!

grassman177
01-13-2010, 02:01 AM
i dont understand the bias on here against the 755. we have six and they all run like champ beasts. none of our guys have every complained about any part of them,

LALawnboy
01-13-2010, 02:35 AM
I just checked out the Echo website and it's only listed in their new catalog as of right now...http://www.echo-usa.com/catalog/?Cat=PB&type=.pdf

Turf Dawg
01-13-2010, 03:40 AM
Where does the extra power come from? It has the same size engine as the 755 but I guess with the new design it is almost 2 pounds lighter. It looks like it will fit closer to your back so that will probably make it feel even lighter. I still wonder if they just fudged with the CFM's because on most blowers the more CFM's the bigger the engine size. It also makes me wonder since they are in bed with Shindaiwa if this is a new offspring of new parents.

LALawnboy
01-13-2010, 04:05 AM
Where does the extra power come from? It has the same size engine as the 755 but I guess with the new design it is almost 2 pounds lighter. It looks like it will fit closer to your back so that will probably make it feel even lighter. I still wonder if they just fudged with the CFM's because on most blowers the more CFM's the bigger the engine size. It also makes me wonder since they are in bed with Shindaiwa if this is a new offspring of new parents.

I wonder if Echo is trying to do what Stihl has done with models such as the Stihl BR-500, 550 and 600. All of these have the same engine, yet they have different CFM and MPH ratings. I guess there's some modification of the tubes from the housing allowing an increase in output at the nozzle.

br549oicu8
01-13-2010, 09:49 AM
Where does the extra power come from? It has the same size engine as the 755 but I guess with the new design it is almost 2 pounds lighter. It looks like it will fit closer to your back so that will probably make it feel even lighter. I still wonder if they just fudged with the CFM's because on most blowers the more CFM's the bigger the engine size. It also makes me wonder since they are in bed with Shindaiwa if this is a new offspring of new parents.

Does that mean we'll be seeing a new brand?
Look out for the Shindecho's!! Maybe the Echdaiwa's!! LOL!!

grassman177
01-13-2010, 10:19 AM
that would be ok in my book, like the sound of the shindechos

grassman177
01-13-2010, 10:23 AM
ok, looked at the link and i get the impression this actu ally replaced the 755. darn, a better blower.hah

K/B
01-13-2010, 10:40 AM
I've seen it, it's pretty nice. It's really comfortable, and the vented back pad will be great for warm weather use (It actually blows air onto your back). It has a cover that you can snap in place for cold weather when you don't want air blowing on you. It also has the load lifter straps which you'll see more an more on new blowers (It's a design that was copied from the backpacking industry). Plus it's lighter than the 755.
I thought the gas tank was kind of small but I guess it's the same as the PB-755.

These blowers have not been released yet. I doubt they'll be around until late this year.

jkilov
01-13-2010, 12:53 PM
It appears to have a larger tube tan the 755, maybe a new impeller design thus explaining the boost in performance. What's interesting is the claim of outperforming all competition yet having the smallest engine (63cc).

Several parts like the L-frame, carrying handle and spark boot resemble that of shindy's 802 and 8520 though I doubt they would interchange. Since they belong to the same company I assume that designs are shared.

K/B
01-13-2010, 12:57 PM
It appears to have a larger tube tan the 755, maybe a new impeller design thus explaining the boost in performance. What's interesting is the claim of outperforming all competition yet having the smallest engine (63cc).

Several parts like the L-frame, carrying handle and spark boot resemble that of shindy's 802 and 8520 though I doubt they would interchange. Since they belong to the same company I assume that designs are shared.

Yes, it does have some Shindaiwa design resemblance.
It has a newly designed impeller fan, which they claim to be far more efficient than previous designs. The nozzle also is a new design, Echo claims they used theory from jet engines in designing the nozzle.

lawnboy dan
01-13-2010, 07:29 PM
nothing will ever put echo back on top

grassman177
01-13-2010, 07:37 PM
nothing will ever put echo back on top

they never lost the position as far as we are concerned, and it is all a matter of opinion as a few mph are really not that big of a deal

qualitylawnpro
01-13-2010, 08:42 PM
ive run echo blowers for years, but the stihl 600 are so much lighter and more power! echo blowers are tough! right now i just like the stihl better.

MONTE
01-13-2010, 08:42 PM
I agree! I also read that Echo owns 41% of the backpack blower market while stihl owns 31% and redmax owns 8%.

Alan0354
01-13-2010, 08:56 PM
I am very skepitical a 63cc blower can out blow 79cc Shindaiwa, 73cc Redmax. I just don't believe the engineer of one company is so much better than the other one. THis is not like cars that you can have turbos, DOHC etc.

Turf Dawg
01-13-2010, 09:07 PM
I am very skepitical a 63cc blower can out blow 79cc Shindaiwa, 73cc Redmax. I just don't believe the engineer of one company is so much better than the other one. THis is not like cars that you can have turbos, DOHC etc.

It makes me wonder also if the 63cc is a misprint and it really has the Shindy 802 engine on it? Like I say it just makes me wonder.

K/B
01-13-2010, 09:15 PM
It makes me wonder also if the 63cc is a misprint and it really has the Shindy 802 engine on it? Like I say it just makes me wonder.

Not a misprint and No it does not have the 802 engine in it. As far as power, unfortunately I was not able to run it so I cannot say if the power claims are accurate. The impeller fan is different from any I've seen...it has sort of a dual fin system.

Yamabiko (parent company of Echo and Shindaiwa) has the largest market share in Trimmers, Blowers and Hedge trimmers, but a very small share in Chainsaws.

Alan0354
01-13-2010, 09:53 PM
I am not bashing Echo at all, it just don't sound realistic. I can see a lot of LCO in my area use Echo and I read enough of good things about Echo.

Unless they really add technologies in like computer control variable timing, Maybe.

K/B
01-13-2010, 10:01 PM
I am not bashing Echo at all, it just don't sound realistic. I can see a lot of LCO in my area use Echo and I read enough of good things about Echo.

Unless they really add technologies in like computer control variable timing, Maybe.

It does have (along with much of Echo's, and other brand equipment) digital slope advance ignition.

1wezil
01-13-2010, 10:27 PM
i dont understand the bias on here against the 755. we have six and they all run like champ beasts. none of our guys have every complained about any part of them,

I agree with you I bought 2 new ones last summer there GREAT. What more does a person need ..:clapping:

Just Mow
01-13-2010, 10:45 PM
I'll still keep my BR 600's

SNAPPER MAN
01-13-2010, 11:44 PM
i dont understand the bias on here against the 755. we have six and they all run like champ beasts. none of our guys have every complained about any part of them,

The biggest problem people have on here with the 755's is the weight. Most people on here are owner/operators so they want the nicest thing, even if its not the most durable. It's funny how you usually see the big companies running echo 755's because they are built like tanks. I have one that is three years old and it runs better than my 1 year old Stihl BR-600's. The stihl's are too brittle in my opinion. Look at the frame and plastic on it compared to the echo 755. I am only buying echo's from now on for my crews.

grassman177
01-14-2010, 12:14 AM
good choice. we used to run the pb 46ht. it was a good medium duty machine, but when we upgraded it made our shoulders sore from the air volume increase over the older machine

wimpy
01-14-2010, 12:24 AM
Just Mow, is Stihl going to produce a larger blower to compete with Shindaiwa?

MONTE
01-14-2010, 09:55 PM
I talked to the dealer here the 770 will be available mid spring.

Just Mow
01-14-2010, 10:50 PM
Just Mow, is Stihl going to produce a larger blower to compete with Shindaiwa?

If you need anything bigger then you should get a walk behind.

Alan0354
01-14-2010, 11:30 PM
It come to a point of time bigger is not always better!! You have to balance power, weight, reliability and price. They tend to go against each other.

Notice all the top tier blowers don't have the reputation of the lesser blowers like Shindy EB630, Echo PB755, Stihl BR420...... RM EBZ8001 seems to have a solid reputation but look at the weight and the price!!!! Something has to give.

Just my observation.

I am happy with my 2nd tier Maru. So far so good, light, cheap, and no problem. Nothing pushing the envelope but...............

mini14
01-15-2010, 12:04 AM
its the same pb755 engine, redesigned fan. I just tore down my 755's and my redmax 8k's, the echo blows the redmaxs away in terms of build quality, 1.5mm piston rings on the echo, 1.2mm on the redmax's. all echo gaskets r siliconized steel.

lawnboy dan
01-15-2010, 10:05 AM
i agree with alan-there has to be a balance of power and use-a bility. the redmax 8000 is too heavy for daily use allready. frame strength suffers to keep the overall weight down . i much prefer to use my shindy 630 or sthill br400 for daily use

RonAyersMotorsports
01-15-2010, 12:25 PM
I just got rid of my 755's and bought 4 new stihl 600's ,echo rep told me about them today. There in the new catalog he said it would put echo back on top!

Its been a while for them. We'll see, hope they shaved some weight off it. Otherwise the STIHL will still be more comfortable.

RonAyersMotorsports
01-15-2010, 12:27 PM
Just Mow, is Stihl going to produce a larger blower to compete with Shindaiwa?

STIHL BR600's are the best selling BP blower out there and with the new improvements they really don't need to. I agree with others if you want something that blows harder than it go get a LITTLE Wonder or BILLY GOAT walk behind.

There are no plans of yet for a new blower or the need for one.

Alan0354
01-15-2010, 01:26 PM
I want to stress, I am not knocking the top tier blowers, just an observation. Just like cars, you want a Toyota Corolla or a BMW M3? BMW is going to run circles around the Toyota, but you want to bet, the BMW is going to be in the shop more often!!! The Corolla is going to likely go 200K miles. So choose your poison!!!!:laugh::laugh:

brucec32
01-15-2010, 09:44 PM
After trying a lighter weight Kawi blower and comparing it to an echo 751 I've come around to thinking that an even heavier but more powerful backpack blower would have a place in the market. Not for routine use, but for leaf season. There are times when I could use a little more power but don't want to go to a push blower. And if the machine gets the job done faster that somewhat offsets the fatigue of the heavier unit. Maybe that twinstorm isn't such a bad idea.

Alan0354
01-16-2010, 12:07 AM
After trying a lighter weight Kawi blower and comparing it to an echo 751 I've come around to thinking that an even heavier but more powerful backpack blower would have a place in the market. Not for routine use, but for leaf season. There are times when I could use a little more power but don't want to go to a push blower. And if the machine gets the job done faster that somewhat offsets the fatigue of the heavier unit. Maybe that twinstorm isn't such a bad idea.

What kawi blower is that? How does it compare to PB751

mini14
01-16-2010, 02:44 AM
the echos r quailty built, but expensive to fix, the redmaxs r junk but get the job done fast and r cheap to fix, the 4 mix blowers i stay away from, nightmarish imo. plus i can only imagine what stihl wants for new piston and cylinders $$$$. From my experience when the echos start to go all they have needed so far is new gaskets all around and new piston rings....the redmax's need new pistons and cylinders..Does anybody else here fix their own and can relate...

MONTE
01-16-2010, 11:19 AM
From what I read Stihl was #2 in the commercial blower market.

Alan0354
01-16-2010, 01:49 PM
From what I read Stihl was #2 in the commercial blower market.

I think it really depend on the individual city. Where I live, LCO don't use big blowers because we don't have big leaves and being in the liberal state, noise is always an issue. Majority of the LCO use the little PB413 or Husky 150Bt. My Maru is pretty much the king of the road!!!!!:laugh::laugh:

Occationally I saw a PB755....I stress.....occationally. I saw one BR600 and one Shindy EB8510....in the last two years, don't think I ever see a RM EBZ8001 yet.

brucec32
01-16-2010, 04:04 PM
What kawi blower is that? How does it compare to PB751

It's their biggest one, 750A ? It's lighter than the big echo but doesn't seem as powerful. Fine for routine use though, sort of a good balance of weight and power. In terms of construction I can see a few things that may not hold up as well, but nothing I'm worried about.

ed2hess
01-16-2010, 04:52 PM
the echos r quailty built, but expensive to fix, the redmaxs r junk but get the job done fast and r cheap to fix, the 4 mix blowers i stay away from, nightmarish imo. plus i can only imagine what stihl wants for new piston and cylinders $$$$. From my experience when the echos start to go all they have needed so far is new gaskets all around and new piston rings....the redmax's need new pistons and cylinders..Does anybody else here fix their own and can relate...

I fix Echo blowers......seldom need anything except gasket kit, new seals, maybe a bearing and carb kit. Not really very expensive. Sometimes I reuse the rings if I can get them off/on and not break them. They are easy to get apart and to get the head back on over the rings.

Yater
01-16-2010, 05:30 PM
..Does anybody else here fix their own and can relate...

I fix everything myself. I haven't had to repair a blower yet. I run a 7001, an 8001 (both ebz) and now a br420. I'm tempted to replace the 8001 and br420 with a br600 magnum. If it lasts through the warranty period (2 years), it's worth it.

Alan0354
01-16-2010, 05:59 PM
It's their biggest one, 750A ? It's lighter than the big echo but doesn't seem as powerful. Fine for routine use though, sort of a good balance of weight and power. In terms of construction I can see a few things that may not hold up as well, but nothing I'm worried about.

Thanks. I have the same Kawi in Maru name. Just curious how it stack up to others. I choose it over PB755 at the time mainly because of lower noise for the darn liberal area I live in. Same reason I ruled out EBZ8001. Kawi 750 is the quietest amount the big blowers.

wimpy
01-16-2010, 08:54 PM
STIHL BR600's are the best selling BP blower out there and with the new improvements they really don't need to. I agree with others if you want something that blows harder than it go get a LITTLE Wonder or BILLY GOAT walk behind.

There are no plans of yet for a new blower or the need for one.

All the big blowers like the ebz8001, pb 755 and eb8520's are all about 25 lbs. the br600 is about 21 lbs. Why don't they add a few lbs and outblow the shindaiwa's and still be lighter weight?

TPS
01-16-2010, 09:36 PM
Actually the shindy 802 is only 22 lbs and outblows the BR600 and 755. I have used all 3 and the shindy is the strongest and most comfortable in my opinion. You dont notice the 1 lbs difference between that and the BR600, but you do notice when you put the 755 on. And the Shindy has a much greater fuel capacity.

dtc0207
01-16-2010, 09:43 PM
All I can say is that I had the chance to playwith a 770 and was very impressed the cooling feature is qreat and the power is awesome and for those of you who like to work on your own equipment you will love the fact you can tear down about 90 percent of the unit with one t27 screwdriver

mictrik
01-16-2010, 10:09 PM
The EB802 is on its second year since introduction, has anyone experienced any issues with them? Mine has been rock solid but i would like to hear from those who have really given it a workout. Two dealers I have spoken with have stated that they are extremely durable and never see them in the shop.

Alan0354
01-16-2010, 11:26 PM
All the big blowers like the ebz8001, pb 755 and eb8520's are all about 25 lbs. the br600 is about 21 lbs. Why don't they add a few lbs and outblow the shindaiwa's and still be lighter weight?

I think the EBZ8001 is weight at Chinese pounds at 25 lbs!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: This is like my little neice kept telling me she did not gain any weight while she looked like she gain 3" on her bud!!!!

Seriously, I think they more 30 lbs than 25!!!!

Shindaiwa EB802 is not that heavy. People still have bitter after taste of the EB8510!!!! The time I was buying the bp, I decided not to wait for the EB802 to be certified in Kalif and bought the Maru mainly for that reason. I don't need the fan to fly apart or other things!!! I still think I made the right decision.

WREBELMACHINE
01-18-2010, 12:11 AM
Nice looking blower going to have to check it out!

genesis215
01-29-2010, 05:21 PM
The PB-770T is 21.6lbs without tubes. That's exactly the same weight as the Stihl BR 600. It is 22.0lbs for the PB-770H with hip throttle. All the manufacturers except Echo weigh their blowers without the tubes.

nobagger
01-29-2010, 05:29 PM
i dont understand the bias on here against the 755. we have six and they all run like champ beasts. none of our guys have every complained about any part of them,

Yeah I love ours and we never had any problems with them

genesis215
01-29-2010, 05:31 PM
My PB-650 is about 5-7 years old, starts in 2 pulls, and blows like a hurricane. Can't beat that. Echo is top notch, and the parts are very cheap.