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kountryscape
03-17-2000, 09:37 AM
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TYPE OF EQUIPMENT TO BUY . COMPACT TRACTOR, SKID LOADER, OR WHAT. AFTER DOING A LANDSCAPE SHOW AND SEEING THE BIG COMPANYS USING TORO DINGOS TO BUILD THEIR LANDSCAPING PROJECTS , I REALLY LIKED THE SYSTEM. ITS SMALL GREAT FOR RESIDENTIAL JOBS,IM A ONE MAN LANDSCAPING CREW ME MYSELF AND I . I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THE DIFFERENT COMPANYS. TORO DINGOS, RAMROD, KANGA, AND GRAVELY. WHAT DO YOU GUYS USE IF ANY , IN MY OPINION TORO IS LIKE DEERE YOU PAY FOR THE NAME. RAMROD IS ALL RIGHT , KANGA HAS MY INTEREST TO BAD I CAN'T GET TO THEIR WEB SITE WWW.KANGA-LOADER.COM IT WON"T COME UP. AND GRAVELY IS A GOOD PRICE BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS BUILT IN THE 1960'S. AT THE SHOW THEY WERE USING TORO'S AND GRAVELYS GRAVELY HAS A HONDA ENGINE SOMETHING I LIKE, AND THE PRICE IS GOOD. WWW.GRAVELY.COM. I GUESS WHAT I LIKE IS THAT ITS SMALL EASY TO HAUL (YOU DONT NEED A ONE TON TO PULL IT) AND IT WOULD MAKE ME MORE COMPETITIVE WITH OTHER CONTRACTORS. I ALREADY HAVE A FORD 8-N FOR GRADING AND NEED SOMETHING WITH A LOADER AND THE POST HOLE AUGER WOULD BE GREAT FOR PLANTING TREES AND SHRUBS ALONG WITH FENCING. IS THIS THE IDEAL MACHINE? IF YOU OWN ONE OF THESE WHAT DO YOU HAVE? IS ONE BETTER THAN THE OTHERS? WHAT DO I LOOK FOR I ONE OF THESE? LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR REPLIES JARRETT

steveair
03-17-2000, 09:59 AM
I've been looking into the mini's too. You talked about the gravely skidster, well, its exactly the same as the kanga. I think gravely bought into them or something. I don't know if gravely offers as many attachments as kanga does though, but I bet they are interchangeable. Also, I think gravely is running promotions for the skidster, so now might be the time to buy.<p>Also, I was wondering how the mini's work for paver installation. I get a lot of small paver walkway installs, and was wondering if the machine would be of help. With a tooth bucket, I was wondering if you could dig the walkway out with it. Seems like a good idea, because you can dig the walk out exactly where you want to, instead of bringing a tractor/backhoe in that is clumsy for the smaller jobs. I do a lot of smaller walks, and like to do it by myself, so it seems like the perfect companion. I can do a 200 sq foot walk in a weekend by myself, but any help would be great in saving myself from busting my ass so much. Also, a lot of houses have limited acces for wheelbarrels only (especially the lake summer homes), so it seems like it would be perfect.<br>

kountryscape
03-17-2000, 03:22 PM
howdy just was looking at clarklift.com it somehow is part of the kanga line. and i did some looking at the kanga vs. gravely and yes they are the same machine, i looked at that before i read this so hey we're thinking alike . i just think this is the ticket to many a back saving job. i did notice the ramrod brand has a paver mover they have a nice web site. a.m. leonard catolog has the ramrod in there catolog for 14,079 dollars plus attachments they call the paver mover a paving stone mover and its 1,263.00 extra. the bucket is 323.00 and nursery tongs are 1120.00 . can you say makin some money ,i think this little machine is ideal . the only thing is you can't load high side trucks but if you had a dump trailer with two foot sides and a ramp , you could load the mini skid loader right on there and , still load material in the trailer to haul away. any body have a good dump trailer whats the best one i really like the foster trailer but the price turned me off! 8000.00. in the car mags., i get you can get a dump trailer for 4500.00 . do you like one hydrulic cylinder or two. see ya later jarrett

steveair
03-17-2000, 04:14 PM
Hey, i'v seen that ramrod and the paver mover. What does it do? I know the gravely has around a 500 lb lift capacity, so how many paver could that move for me. If I could do a band at a time, that would be fine with me, but the ramrod set up looks like a basket that you stack them into. I was wondering if they make a setup like the paver cart that moves a band manually by locking onto it at the bottom. If not, maybe some homemade fabricating could be done for what the genius engineers who never been to a work site in their life couldn't figure out.<p>the dump trailer does sound like the way to go. Good idea! I have a 12 ft rack body, so dumping would be a major problem with those high sides. I had given thought to ramps going up the back and just driving the thing in the truck each time. I think they way around 1500lb, + a 500 load + 200lb operator would be over a ton. Maybe they would have to be REAL strong ramps though. Definitely like the dump trailer idea now!<br>But transporting it the back of the truck while pulling the trailer is definite productivity.<br>

CLM1
03-17-2000, 09:27 PM
I've used the Dingo several times with the rototiller, trencher, bucket and leveler. I like the machine...ALOT! However, at the expo. this past year I tried out the Ramrod. It's about the same size maybe just a tad larger. If I had the $$$ I'd buy one tomorrow. I've looked at all of them more than once. Which one? I think I'd have to go with the Ramrod. The diesel unit. The Ramrod has a larger hydraulic system than the Dingo, which I have found to be the biggest drawback with the Dingo. The Ramrod also has more attachments than the Dingo also, and the price is much more resonable than the Dingo. I do like the Dingo don't get me wrong, heck they are headquartered about 8 mi. from my front door and the largest distributor for them is about 18 mi. away. And the folks at the Dist. are SUPER to work with. Hope this helps!<p>P.S. I've got a Dingo reserved for next Wed. & Thurs. at my local rental co. - installing an irrigation system and several lrg. beds.

steveair
03-18-2000, 06:59 AM
Does anyone know about servicing the Ramrod?<br>They seem to have a limited dealership as of now, and getting it repaired seems like trouble. At least Toro and Gravely are fairly local to me. <p>Also, what about the new tracked Dingo. Doesn't it have a improved hydraulic system (dual pumps)?

steveair
03-18-2000, 10:20 AM
Just got back from the gravely dealer this morning. They say the skidster starts at around 12500 with the 20hp air cooled honda. Also, if you want hydraulic line setup for the engine, its an extra 1000. They have a 20 HP kohler diesel, and that started around 17500, base price.<p>Starting to get a little expensive. Plus, the machine comes with nothing, not even a bucket. The 4 in 1 is 2500, same for auger. <br>I don't know now. It looks like you need about 20 grand to get a basic setup. For that much, u could buy a real nice used 755/855 deer with a backhoe, or a smaller used full size skid steer. I'll have to do some more investigating. <br>

Lazer
03-18-2000, 07:55 PM
I know what you're talking about. The look handier than *(&@, but they're only 20% less than a full SkidSteer that'll do double the work in most situations.

CLM1
03-18-2000, 09:31 PM
Oh, I forgot to let everyone know. While at the Expo. last yr. I spoke with both the Gravely and Kanga People. Gravely bought into Kanga and that is why the two look alike. Just a very few minor differences.

kountryscape
03-19-2000, 01:51 PM
hi guys its suday so i have 5 seconds to talk to you guys , business is picking up. doing alot of bidding. the skid loader vs. the mini s.l. is a real good ?. i guess the full size is great for most things till you rip the heck out for the customers fence to get to the back yard, and then tear up the lawn turning around let alone putting the oregon trail in the soft soil after a rain . the mini skid loader is one machine i think the little guy should buy . its like having two or three extra guys on your crew. think what you would pay 3 guys to work one season 15000 x 3 45000 dollar a year times every year now 20000 doesn't sound bad does it.....hey check out a similar type of machine called a powertrac .com that is it cost with everything form 16000 to 28000 only thing i dont know of a dealer for them.. jarrett

kountryscape
03-19-2000, 02:38 PM
correction www.power-trac.com

steveair
03-21-2000, 05:31 PM
Hey,<p>Just saw something of interest at the harley site today. They are making a small harley rake to fit on (3 -4 ft) rake to fit on the dingo and ramrod, not sure of kanga though. This seems make the machine very useful then. You could bang out smaller lawn installations like nothing with this, or do all that time consuming clean up around a job. I'm looking into the rakes for mowers, so I ran across this. Gonna ask if anyone has a harley for their mower yet.

PRapoza451
03-21-2000, 07:00 PM
Hi All,<br>I have a Dingo and I love it! Just striped some sod and rototilled an area for a customer today. Back and forth over the lawn with no problem. The auger is great for planting. Just bought a cement bowl for it, trying it out next week. If I didn't already have my Dingo I'd look at the Gehl Advantage www.gehl.com. They have a mini you can sit on. Let me tell you standing or bouncing around all day is no fun. But these machines are a life and back saver. Good luck<br>

kountryscape
03-22-2000, 04:29 PM
HEY LOOKED UP GEHLS WEB SITE THAT THING ROCKS ONLY THING NOT EVERY DEALER SELLS THEM AG GUYS DONT AND THE CONTRACTOR EQUIPMENT GUYS SAY THEY ARE TO SMALL BUT I DID FIND ONE THAT DOES. I WANT TO NOW HOW MUCH LEG ROOM THERE IS. AND HOW HIGH IT CAN LIFT AND COST. I TELL YOU MORE WHEN I FIND OUT SEE YA JARRETT

kountryscape
03-24-2000, 04:37 PM
hey gehls mini isnt available in the midwest . but i found the coolest one of all . i was out bidding a job a couple counties north of us. stopped in at a farm implement dealer and there it was. its called a maxi man it has tracks its a mini skid loader with 21 different attachments the thing looks like a tank. cost for the machine i test drove was 7600.00 with a bucket and attachments are from 200.00 to 1800.00 most under 1000.00 now thats my kinda machine. they had that one mudded in from here to china he said the thing goes any where.you walk or ride on the back theres a removable platform. there made in north dakota american made tank my kinda machine. web site is www.maximan.net oh ya the thing lifts hi enough to get a load in the back of your truck always wondered that about mini skids . see ya jarrett

CLM1
03-28-2000, 07:39 AM
Kountryscape, Who is the manufacture?

kountryscape
03-28-2000, 03:58 PM
its just a company called maxi-man the web site shows you more. its kinda a cross between a tank and a loader it worked great and the attachments were cheap enough you could add them without breaking the bank. jarrett

b.proskov
02-17-2008, 03:07 PM
howdy just was looking at clarklift.com it somehow is part of the kanga line. and i did some looking at the kanga vs. gravely and yes they are the same machine, i looked at that before i read this so hey we're thinking alike . i just think this is the ticket to many a back saving job. i did notice the ramrod brand has a paver mover they have a nice web site. a.m. leonard catolog has the ramrod in there catolog for 14,079 dollars plus attachments they call the paver mover a paving stone mover and its 1,263.00 extra. the bucket is 323.00 and nursery tongs are 1120.00 . can you say makin some money ,i think this little machine is ideal . the only thing is you can't load high side trucks but if you had a dump trailer with two foot sides and a ramp , you could load the mini skid loader right on there and , still load material in the trailer to haul away. any body have a good dump trailer whats the best one i really like the foster trailer but the price turned me off! 8000.00. in the car mags., i get you can get a dump trailer for 4500.00 . do you like one hydrulic cylinder or two. see ya later jarrett
Kountryscape member can you please help out! I did call Ramrod dealers and they quote me $3100.00 for the paver mover attatchement, you posted on the lawnsite recently that you can buy it for $1263.00, can you please give me the phone and address from that location were it sales the paver mover attatchement for $1263.00.

b.proskov
02-17-2008, 03:08 PM
Kountryscape member can you please help out! I did call Ramrod dealers and they quote me $3100.00 for the paver mover attatchement, you posted on the lawnsite recently that you can buy it for $1263.00, can you please give me the phone and address from that location were it sales the paver mover attatchement for $1263.00.

Lawnworks
02-17-2008, 03:34 PM
I know what you're talking about. The look handier than *(&@, but they're only 20% less than a full SkidSteer that'll do double the work in most situations.

This is a common misconception. Mini-skids are not a cheaper substitute for a full size skid steer. Mini-skids have there own niche. I have both a full size and 425. I use my dingo for 80% of my projects. I guess it depends on the majority of the work you will be doing.

As far as mini-skids go. I think the Dingo, Vermeer, Ditch Witch and Boxer would be the only ones I would consider. Also, I would not consider a model that is not tracked... well unless it is dingo wheeled unit for $3500.

Why not buy used? I have seen a Dingo 425 w/100 hours go for 11k on ebay.

BrandonV
02-17-2008, 04:09 PM
Kountryscape member can you please help out! I did call Ramrod dealers and they quote me $3100.00 for the paver mover attatchement, you posted on the lawnsite recently that you can buy it for $1263.00, can you please give me the phone and address from that location were it sales the paver mover attatchement for $1263.00.

hey bud you might notice that this thread was brought back from the dead from the year 2007, steel has pretty much doubled since then and lord knows what labor is, I'm betting his $1200 is now $3100

h-desert
02-19-2008, 01:20 AM
Take a look at BOXER. they seem to make an excellent many skid. I have watched it run the auger attachment and I was amazed.

Bigred350
02-19-2008, 08:19 PM
Ive got a boxer and I think it can eat a dingo for lunch. Its nearly unstoppable.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41/Bigred350/Work%20pics/DSCN0810.jpg

flairland
02-19-2008, 11:45 PM
hey bigred!

thanks for the picture! i haven't seen one of those before, looks like quite a sweet machine! i wonder if their are any dealers up here in ontario. how are they priced compared to dingos??

Lawnworks
02-19-2008, 11:50 PM
Ive got a boxer and I think it can eat a dingo for lunch. Its nearly unstoppable.



I take it you haven't run a dingo! I think boxers are good machines, but my buddy is thinking of selling his and getting a dingo. If anybody needs a cheap/good boxer he will you his for 5k.

BrandonV
02-20-2008, 07:48 AM
I'll take your boxer and raise you a ditch witch

jrdean62
02-21-2008, 08:28 AM
The Boxer only has a two pump hydralic system compaed to the Dingos four. What this translates to is the Dingo has more power when and where you need it.

Bigred350
02-21-2008, 07:03 PM
Yes I have ran a dingo. And I still think a boxer is more powerful. Just because a dingo has 4 hydro pumps dont mean anything. The boxers 2 pumps still flows more than dingos 4.

Lawnworks
02-21-2008, 07:58 PM
and a ground speed of 3mph?

syzer
02-22-2008, 12:17 AM
Here are some good comparison pics between dw and vermeer. I did a long write up in one of these threads

http://www.precision-aquatics.com/gallery/album02

njones
02-22-2008, 07:35 PM
check out the asv rc 30 it a small track outfit works grood

capetrees
02-24-2008, 05:10 PM
For A LOT more info on the subject in this thread,

http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=93903&highlight=ramrod

My understanding from this thread is that the ramrod is not really that good.

J&R Landscaping
02-24-2008, 08:27 PM
This is a common misconception. Mini-skids are not a cheaper substitute for a full size skid steer. Mini-skids have there own niche. I have both a full size and 425. I use my dingo for 80% of my projects. I guess it depends on the majority of the work you will be doing.

As far as mini-skids go. I think the Dingo, Vermeer, Ditch Witch and Boxer would be the only ones I would consider. Also, I would not consider a model that is not tracked... well unless it is dingo wheeled unit for $3500.

Why not buy used? I have seen a Dingo 425 w/100 hours go for 11k on ebay.

I demoed several units at the expo last year. Vermeer, ditch witch, and boxer units were nice. I didn't get a chance to run a dingo. I know a couple other landscapers around me who use the Bobcat MT55 units and rave about them.