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AdamChrap
01-18-2010, 09:11 PM
I am planing on buying a Grandstand in the spring. i can buy a new 2010 for $6300 + Tax or a used demo with full warranty, 133hrs for $5000 + Tax.

What do you think?
Normally I say no brainier save the $1300 but is there big differences on the 2010? I have heard of faster ground speed.

scagrider22
01-18-2010, 09:19 PM
I had a 2009 and I think it would be worth the extra money to get a 2010 because the engine is now mounted to the frame and not the deck, on the 2009 the weight of the deck and engine were cracking the frame when the deck asist wasnt working and that was very often, plus the 2009 had many bolts come loose and fall off due to the factory not correctly torquing them.

jbell36
01-18-2010, 10:47 PM
that's not an easy decision but i would get the 2010...not that i dislike ours by any means but they did make a few major upgrades not to mention all of the small things like loose hardware among a few others to the '010...

about the groundspeed...they had a problem with the hydros not matching up on the majority if not all of the '09 grandstands...they have now corrected this therefore the machine runs at the speed it is supposed to unlike the '09's which i guess yes makes them faster but this doesn't mean they upgraded the hydros or anything like that...this is what an actual rep from toro in minnesota told me, so if they did indeed make the grandstands faster, which wouldn't be a bad decision, then it is within the last month or so

AdamChrap
01-18-2010, 10:55 PM
This isn't gonna be easy. The 09 actually is from my dealer and said all the upgrades have been done and the machine has gone through.
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jbell36
01-18-2010, 11:05 PM
ya, that's where ours stand as well...i guess what you are looking at is two main upgrades which are...

1. Deck height shocks are now replaced with springs

2. Engine now mounted on frame and not deck so it stays in one central area and doesn't move up and down with the deck...(this is the first i've heard of this)

other than that there have been a LOT of minor upgrades as simple as tightening bolts to the '09's...last i checked ours were at 12 "upgrades"...

if i was you the main thing i would do is test drive the 09 your dealer has...push the levers as far as they can go in forward, then do reverse...even though most hydros won't perfectly match up they should be damn close, so if this one has an obvious stronger hydro, which is usually the left, then you have a problem and you can figure out what you are going to do from there...mine are being updated right now so you an always get that fixed

Pat'sPerfectLawnService
01-18-2010, 11:11 PM
reading the pros and cons about the 2009 and what they are going to do to the 2010 i would go with the 2010. good luck with what ever year you go with.

rcslawncare
01-18-2010, 11:27 PM
Get the 2010.

SouthSide Cutter
01-19-2010, 12:12 AM
There is a 2009 in the In Auto Trader in Auburn In for 3995.00 with 135hrs.

grassman177
01-19-2010, 12:17 AM
i say 2010. the deck mounted to the deck has never been a good thing imo. the wright sentars(finally canned) were this way and we had nothing but issues with them.

rcslawncare
01-19-2010, 12:19 AM
i say 2010. the deck mounted to the deck has never been a good thing imo. the wright sentars(finally canned) were this way and we had nothing but issues with them.



ID say so, I wouldn't want two decks mounted together!! lol. JK!!!

lilweeds
01-19-2010, 09:02 AM
I had a 2009 and I think it would be worth the extra money to get a 2010 because the engine is now mounted to the frame and not the deck, on the 2009 the weight of the deck and engine were cracking the frame when the deck asist wasnt working and that was very often, plus the 2009 had many bolts come loose and fall off due to the factory not correctly torquing them.

Don't know where you saw this, but the motor is still mounted to the deck. If the 09 has all the upgrades the only real difference is the lift system, which I found the old one to be working just fine. Some have had the lift struts fail, but mine have held strong.

AdamChrap
01-19-2010, 09:37 AM
I was going with the 2010 but now who knows. Maybe the Toro rep could jump in and tell us if the engine is mounted to the deck on the 2010? If not my dealer is getting some in around the second week in Feb so we shall see.

lilweeds
01-19-2010, 12:12 PM
If you really want to ask them you'd have to post in the Toro Forum, they don't post much anywhere else. Taking to the guy from Toro in the Tech dept. I'm 99.9% sure the engine moves with the deck.

lilweeds
01-19-2010, 12:14 PM
I think this thread pretty much proves it:
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=297295

AdamChrap
01-19-2010, 12:45 PM
I am thinking they must continue to put the engine on the deck to get the lowest center of gravity possible.

scagrider22
01-19-2010, 01:36 PM
I think this thread pretty much proves it:
http://www.lawnsite.com/showthread.php?t=297295

That does not say anywhere that the engine is mounted to the frame or the deck but it does show that the deck is all the way down and the engine is still up high in the frame. And yes the 2010 is mounted to the frame!

AdamChrap
01-19-2010, 02:00 PM
I sent a PM to the Toro Rep and asked them to chime in.

lilweeds
01-19-2010, 02:04 PM
That thread says the only thing that changed is the mechanism to raise and lower the deck. The engine is still mounted the same way. Also look at the muffler guard on the new units, it still has the slot to allow the muffler to move up and down. IMO it's the best way to have it so the belt lasts longer.

mysteryman
01-19-2010, 02:16 PM
$6300 sounds like a good price. Comparing it to a 2009 I would guess it's a 48" (with the smaller engine?) The upgrades mentioned sound appealing. This is the first I have heard of the engine-mounting-to-the-frame for 2010. My guess is that the $1300 will be dollars well-spent for the peace-of-mind that will come with the 2010.

scagrider22
01-19-2010, 02:18 PM
That thread says the only thing that changed is the mechanism to raise and lower the deck. The engine is still mounted the same way. Also look at the muffler guard on the new units, it still has the slot to allow the muffler to move up and down. IMO it's the best way to have it so the belt lasts longer.

i could be wrong i did hear it from a dealer and we all know how reliable they are! I had trouble with my 09 when the deck assist broke for the third time I left it broken and the frame cracked within days.

AdamChrap
01-19-2010, 02:19 PM
They are both 23hp 52"
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lilweeds
01-19-2010, 02:28 PM
That is an excellent price, didn't notice that in your original post. Even the demo price is really good. Are they giving you a fleet discount somehow?

BOSCHERT LAWN CARE
01-19-2010, 03:36 PM
They are both 23hp 52"
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the newer 2010 units will have a 20 or 24hp kawi on the 52" models no more 19 & 23's

AdamChrap
01-19-2010, 03:42 PM
That is an excellent price, didn't notice that in your original post. Even the demo price is really good. Are they giving you a fleet discount somehow?

I have bought a lot of equipment from them so they treat me good. Also they are one of the biggest toro dealers in a three state radius so I am sure they pay less money for them than a small dealer because they move tons of mowers. Great thing is the service is still top notch.

the newer 2010 units will have a 20 or 24hp kawi on the 52" models no more 19 & 23's

It will be a 24hp in that case.

Daniel's Lawn Care
01-19-2010, 04:21 PM
Don't by a 2009 model Grandstand. I have one and it had a few problems. The 2010 models have most of the kinks knocked out of them.

jbell36
01-22-2010, 01:29 PM
ya apparently the engine mounting to the frame for the '010 models is not true...still the same setup as the '09 models, only the lift assist design is different going from gas shocks to springs...and the engines are going from 19 hp and 23 to 20 and 24, i think it has to do with emissions...

our shocks went out maybe a month into the mowing season last year on both machines...got them replaced and haven't had a problem, so basically there is not gonna be a lot of difference between the '09 and '010...i would still say '010 but not by much

torotorotoro
01-22-2010, 09:20 PM
wow my dealer was trying to sell me a 09 for $6300 new, sounds like i should ask for a2010

AdamChrap
01-22-2010, 09:25 PM
wow my dealer was trying to sell me a 09 for $6300 new, sounds like i should ask for a2010

I don't think he gives this deal to everybody. I know his job is to make you think that but like I said, he buys a lot of them and we have been doing business for awhile.

TXNSLighting
01-22-2010, 09:53 PM
Im hoping to find one once my Z sells! Id be fine with a 09 as long as it has the upgrades. I have a pretty large dealer in the area, im gonna go check next week and see what they have, and what the prices are.

AdamChrap
01-23-2010, 10:04 AM
I am going to check out the 10's and talk to the rep at the Power Show in Columbus Saturday.

lilweeds
01-23-2010, 11:08 AM
I don't think he gives this deal to everybody. I know his job is to make you think that but like I said, he buys a lot of them and we have been doing business for awhile.

Are you doing it with the NP discount?

AdamChrap
01-23-2010, 11:20 AM
I am not sure , I have done those before but not sure if I have a eligible contract right now. He said "your price will be". Didn't even think to ask. He works with me so I'm not to worried about it.
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lilweeds
01-23-2010, 06:04 PM
Only reason I ask is that price is either a fleet or NP discount. That's got to be how he's doing it. There isn't that much markup in the mower!

AdamChrap
01-23-2010, 07:52 PM
I checked yes that is a NP price