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Bigred350
01-31-2010, 05:40 PM
I have a Cat 246b skid steer right now that needs a new set of tires on it.

Due to the rainy weather we have been having for the past 6 months im tired of spining and making ruts with the tires.

So I am in the market for a tracked machine. Dealer support is number 1 on my list. The cat dealer is 25 min. away and is very good to me. There is a ASV dealer about 10 min. away but local people in town say they are about useless. The bobcat and case dealer is about a 1 hour away. And there is no takki dealer around.

I am not brand loyal to any machine but I have had great luck with my cat. I do general landscaping (spread dirt, gravel, run harly rake, auger...)

I told my cat sales man I wanted a 247 or 257 on tracks. He said I would not like it because those machines onle have 56 hp where as the one i have now has 70. He said i may want a bigger machine or put vts on my cat now. I have 1650 hrs on my cat now and would like to buy a new one instead of putting vts on it.

What would you do??????

And why does a 246b on tires have 70 hp and a 247 on tracks have 56 hp?

Cat dealer is going to let me demo a machine this week to see is i like it.

swanny
01-31-2010, 05:50 PM
I have 1650 hrs on my cat now and would like to buy a new one instead of putting vts on it.

Why not vts? Too much weight gain for your current trailer setup?

AWJ Services
01-31-2010, 05:59 PM
Drive to Huntsville and buy a Takeuchi.

stuvecorp
01-31-2010, 06:03 PM
Drive to Huntsville and buy a Takeuchi.

I'd vote for that(or a Mustang):waving: Why not go VTS, that might be a good option too.

ksss
01-31-2010, 06:27 PM
I have a Cat 246b skid steer right now that needs a new set of tires on it.

Due to the rainy weather we have been having for the past 6 months im tired of spining and making ruts with the tires.

So I am in the market for a tracked machine. Dealer support is number 1 on my list. The cat dealer is 25 min. away and is very good to me. There is a ASV dealer about 10 min. away but local people in town say they are about useless. The bobcat and case dealer is about a 1 hour away. And there is no takki dealer around.

I am not brand loyal to any machine but I have had great luck with my cat. I do general landscaping (spread dirt, gravel, run harly rake, auger...)

I told my cat sales man I wanted a 247 or 257 on tracks. He said I would not like it because those machines onle have 56 hp where as the one i have now has 70. He said i may want a bigger machine or put vts on my cat now. I have 1650 hrs on my cat now and would like to buy a new one instead of putting vts on it.

What would you do??????

And why does a 246b on tires have 70 hp and a 247 on tracks have 56 hp?

Cat dealer is going to let me demo a machine this week to see is i like it.


The 247 is actually closer to the 216-226 than it is a 246 even though numerically they are closer together. The 277 is a tracked version of a 246

CAT offers a VTS ready option for their skid steers. It takes away your two speed and other than that not sure what it offers specifically. If you just want a new machine a 246 or 256C with VTS would give you both wheel and track options. If you hunt and are a little patient you could find a VTS set for under 5K, sometimes much less. Other options are a wide tire option on your skid steer. The 33;s make a big difference in floation over the 12X16.5 tires. Your CAT salesman has probably had heard enough bitching over the low power output of the 247/257 that he knows you will be dissappointed in their performance, especially when you used to having a more powerful machine.

Sam_French
01-31-2010, 08:14 PM
Bigred350

Has your current machine been reliable? None of my business but if it is paid for that puts a new spin on what you want to do.

I would look at VTS or bigger tires. IF you want a new machine. Since you are pleased with your CAT dealer then that is what I would buy. Sure would be nice if you are working on your machine call the guy at the parts counter and have him pull the parts while you are on your way.

Just my three cents.

Have a nice day

Sam

Bigred350
01-31-2010, 10:14 PM
Yes the machine is paid for. I usually trade machines every 4 or 5 years anyway just because I like to keep newer equipment with low hours so I dont have to worry about break downs.

The only thing I have against vts is that it uses one chain instead of two to pull the tracks. Sometimes we pull shrubs up with our loader so I thought the vts may break a chain.

Sam_French
01-31-2010, 10:29 PM
Yes VTS pulls using the rear hub. Just like track machines pull using one hub. As far as I know the only time I heard of VTS breaking a drive chain. Is on machines that use only one drive chain. I don't know which brands use this setup. Machines using two drive chains are ok.

I can see your side on keeping newer machines. However I have a sweet looking 743B. Personally I would use VTS over a CTL on a new machine. Gives your more options on configuring your equipment.

Also partial on using wide tires too.

Have a nice day.

Sam

stuvecorp
01-31-2010, 11:21 PM
Yes the machine is paid for. I usually trade machines every 4 or 5 years anyway just because I like to keep newer equipment with low hours so I dont have to worry about break downs.

The only thing I have against vts is that it uses one chain instead of two to pull the tracks. Sometimes we pull shrubs up with our loader so I thought the vts may break a chain.

I don't think you would run in to trouble pulling shrubs with the VTS.

Tigerotor77W
01-31-2010, 11:42 PM
And why does a 246b on tires have 70 hp and a 247 on tracks have 56 hp?

The 247 is actually closer to the 216-226 than it is a 246 even though numerically they are closer together. The 277 is a tracked version of a 246

The Cat nomenclature is an attempt to classify machine by relative ROC rather than a straightforward ROC (like how Deere and Bobcat's Sxxx model numbers used to be). In this vein, the middle number tells you the relative ROC of the machine compared to its brothers in the lineup. (We're talking 50% ROCs here.) So in that vein, the 252B and 257B have similar ROCs even though they're completely different; the 277B and 272C would have had similar ROCs. So it's not that the 246B (2000 ROC) and 247B (2050 ROC) are similar in size; it's just that they have similar ROCs.

fool32696
01-31-2010, 11:47 PM
I'd spend the money on VTS and keep your current machine. If you want a newer machine in a year or two, keep the VTS system for the new machine. Can't go wrong.

ksss
02-01-2010, 12:20 AM
Tiger I stand corrected. I look at the machines build and the 246 and the 277 look to me like the same platform, as unscientific as that is thats how I based them.

Tigerotor77W
02-01-2010, 12:37 AM
Tiger I stand corrected. I look at the machines build and the 246 and the 277 look to me like the same platform, as unscientific as that is thats how I based them.

No, no, I think your reasoning is what most people think of... the 246 and 277 share the same chassis and frame, so if I have a 246 and want an MTL, I'll probably buy a 277 (size frame) rather than a 247. I was just saying that even though the 246 and 247 have model numbers really close to each other, Cat sees it as the two just have similar ROCs (so if you want a tracked version of the 246, you'd get a 247 because it's about the same ROC).

I think most people see it your way. Think of the equivalent of a 246 and they'll think 277. I was just explaining why Cat put the two so close, not that you were wrong. (I see it your way, too.)

Bigred350
02-01-2010, 09:11 PM
I have been doing some more looking and it seems like the 277 may be a little to wide. All my attachments are 72" wide right now. The cat 277 is 78" wide.

If it did go with the 257 would I suffer in HP than what im use to.

Or change brands.

Bigred350
02-01-2010, 09:13 PM
If I wanted to check into VTS what brand should I go with.

YellowDogSVC
02-01-2010, 10:13 PM
If I wanted to check into VTS what brand should I go with.

as far as I know, Loegering is the only one with a VTS or similar setup.

bobcat_ron
02-01-2010, 10:28 PM
A Cat 236B2 with narrow track (15") VTS might be an option, they are 73" wide, but I'm sure you can tweak that a bit more, ot a Takeuchi TL140, that's a powerhouse right there.

stuvecorp
02-01-2010, 11:33 PM
If I wanted to check into VTS what brand should I go with.

I'd say 440 Case but it would be hard to hit that 72" width using VTS. My 440 is 76.5" wide track to track.

YellowDogSVC
02-02-2010, 10:41 AM
here's a link for a 246 b with new VTS. CASE 465 too.

http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/tls/1577626517.html

Caterkillar
02-02-2010, 05:14 PM
You can get a brand new vts on ebay for 5k if you keep on eye on it. If I were you I would DEFINATELY do VTS on your machine. I have had just about every cat machine made and I think the perfect set-up for a landscaper would be VTS on a 246. The 246 with vts would be more agile than a 277, and the undercarriage components would be cheaper. I have a 267 now, and that thing is huge. I would like to try out a 247, but I don't even know if they can pick up a pallet of sod.

Bigred350
02-02-2010, 06:29 PM
If you had the cash what would buy.....and im trying to keep it under 70" wide. Im afraid if i put vts on my current machine it will be wider than 70".

1. ASV PT 70
2. Cat 257
3. Takki 130

Caterkillar
02-02-2010, 09:28 PM
If you had the cash what would buy.....and im trying to keep it under 70" wide. Im afraid if i put vts on my current machine it will be wider than 70".

1. ASV PT 70
2. Cat 257
3. Takki 130

I don't know much about the ASV, but the Takki would probably be the best bet. I had a TL150 for awhile... bulletproof machine, but I just like Cats better. I feel like Cats are easier to work on, overall finish of the machine is better, more comfortable, and they have a better feel to it hydraulically. But that Takki was damn near a dozier!

I have had a 257b, but I was just flipping it and didn't really get a chance to use it, but from the research I have seen on them... everybody hates them. Hell I saw an '06 TL130 with like 150-200 hrs for 19k in FL craigslist somewhere... pretty good deal.

Digdeep
02-02-2010, 10:10 PM
If you had the cash what would buy.....and im trying to keep it under 70" wide. Im afraid if i put vts on my current machine it will be wider than 70".

1. ASV PT 70
2. Cat 257
3. Takki 130

What do you want to do with the machine- load and carry, primary excavation, work on existing lawns, trench, work in tight areas (backyards/between houses), need high flow, etc.?

Bigred350
02-03-2010, 09:18 PM
I need to be able to carry at least 2500lbs. spread dirt/gravel, run harley rake, fit into back yards. I dont really need high flow. I would prefer it to be less than 72" wide so I dont have to buy all new wide attachments.